Get your 2008 brackets out-I've got Clinton/Feingold vs. Allen/Romney

[underpants]

I know we shouldn't look past 2006 but let's just see where we think things stand.

My VP picks are a bit iffy but I know George Allen is a virtual lock for the Republicans. He suits their purposes perfectly-tall "southern" ;-) good hair empty suit who will do what he is told.

Hillary has the nomination if she wants it so she was the easy pick there.

This will be bookmarked for later review.

[marmar]

1. Tough one...

Clark/Richardson vs. Insert Demon here/Insert Demon here

[FrannyD]

Feingold would be nice

For President!:patriot:

[bettyellen]

2. clark/boxer vs mc cain/bush

[underpants]

6. -

Well IMHO it is McCain for the taking if he wants it and I mean the whole damned thing. They know that and although McCain carried water for them last time if he gets the POTUS he will be out of their control. They will do everything possible to stop him before he runs and if he does look out they will crush him worse than they did in 2000.

IMHO of course.

[SaveElmer]

3. Well...right now I think...

Clinton/Richardson vs. Hagel/Allen

[underpants]

5. -

Hagel is too loose of a cannon for them. They like their chief suit to be under control and handleable.

IMHO of course

[FrenchieCat]

15. That's the ticket the Democratic insider establishment

wants.

Both with potentially loads of baggage.

Great! They'll be defending themselves instead of proposing the Democratic vision for America. Can you say..."diverted" election?

Gore didn't pass Richardson up for nothing, back in 2000.
For those not aware...see Richardson's baggage here...
Find responses to neutralize the information, and then we can talk.
http://www.thebulletin.org/article.php?art_ofn=nd99gust...
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/06/16/... /
http://www.quarterly-report.com/human_interest/wen_ho_l...
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0872860.html
http://slate.msn.com/id/84864 /
http://www.brookings.edu/views/op-ed/light/20000628.htm

[KingFlorez]

4. Clinton/Hodges vs Frist/Allen

The Republican ticket will be two wackos like that.

[Mojambo]

7. Clinton/Clark v Allen/Rice n/t

[underpants]

8. -

Good pick. I left Rice out because I don't think she can handle 4 more years let alone the run but that is their best bet.

Clinton/Clark would be a great ticket.

IMHO of course

[Mojambo]

9. Rice may just be too damaged by the foreign policy by 2008

If she is then I could see a governor like Romney or even Giuliani slipping in there (Rudy is far less likely obviously.)

[underpants]

11. -

Rudy I could see but they will want Allen as the top. Rudy can run things (link in the chain) behind Allen.

[magnolia]

31. Allen/Rice....

If something were to happen to Allen, Rice would be president. A black woman president. No way on earth will they let that happen!

I can guarantee that their ticket will be white guy/white guy.

[the other one]

10. Edwards/Clark v. Cheney/Santorum

I think Edwards resonates strongly with moderate dems.

I think the pukes are definitely crazy enough to go with Cheney. Its his turn after all.

Santorum - (latin)(n): asshole. The jackass who fixed my car was a total santorum.

[DU9598]

13. Guesses

Edwards/Clark vs. Cheney/Jeb Bush

[FrenchieCat]

19. Just out of curiousity.....

Why would your chosen ticket order put a one term senator atop a ticket which includes a Supreme Allied Commander of NATO and 4 star General (the only Democratic one ever and the most decorated since Eisenhower)in an election during a time when War and terrorism are some of the biggest issues and strongest assets for our opponents, and at a time, no less, when there will be no money in our treasury to pay for much of any social programs that may be proposed?

To put as Commander in Chief a former Senator, and put the former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO as President of the Senate? I don't get that logic.

[tedoll78]

12. I'd be interested in looking at this post in three years..

Today is June 21, 2005.

I predict that the Democratic nominee will be Hillary Clinton. Honestly, the only way I see her losing the nomination fight would be if all non-Hillary-supporting Democrats unify behind one other non-Hillary candidate. And I don't see that happening. As a backup possibility for the nod (i.e, if Hillary gets assassinated), I predict Mark Warner.

I predict that the GOP nominee will be George Allen. I had been leaning in favor of Frist for a while. It seems like he was making all the right moves, meeting with all of the right fundie groups, saying all the right right-winged hare-brained things. But now I see the fundies treating him as a failed leader.. one who let them down on the nuclear option and allowed the Dems to successfully obstruct a whopping 2% of the Bush Agenda in the Senate (yes, I made-up that number). So Allen is my pick for now.

In the general election, I predict that Hillary will win via huge gender gap (and a bit of 90's nostalgia). Although controversial (like the Chimp), she will be seen also as capable (unlike the Chimp). I predict that she wins by less than 2%, and with under 300 electoral votes. If she does lose, it's because she's "not liberal enough," and we'll see Allen thanking Green voters.. just as Karl Rove did in 2000.

There ya go.. :shrug:

[underpants]

14. -

Bookmarked already. Good analysis.

[frankly_fedup2]

16. I think it is going to be . . .

Clinton/Clark or Clark/Clinton vs Allen/Frist or Frist/Allen.

This is not in any way meant to be antisemitic or racist at all; however, Allen is Jewish, and I think in the red states, that hurt the Right's campaign. Lieberman was Jewish; however, remember he is a Democrat (right leaning though); however, it was Democrats voting for him, not Republicans.

Remember, Falwell, Robertson, as well as all of the Evangelical Christians say all of the "Jews" are going to Hell because they will not accept Jesus Christ as the son of God NOR will they ever be saved. He claims some will "convert" during the end times but not enough to matter; however, unless they do???

These red states are Evangelical Christians. Trust me, they still have their racist agendas here though. Plus, I am from Virginia and Allen did nothing for this state. He won't win his own state.

Let's save this thread and see who is the closest to being right? (something to do) :toast: Or we can all just get drunk????

[underpants]

17. -

Uh Allen isn't Jewish. Far from it I believe.

[frankly_fedup2]

21. Well underpants smack my behind and call me Sally . . .

I do not know where I got that information stuck in my pea brain.
However, you are right. He is a presbyterian.

Here is a sight (which I do not understand why we have to know) that tells the religious affiliation of all members of Congress.

http://www.adherents.com/adh_congress.html

I guess these days and to some, it still matters. That is why I was trying to be careful with my statement. I had no intention of trying to offend anyone of the Jewish Faith or by stating that something was wrong with Allen because he was Jewish.

I live in a small town in the south and the KKK is still very much alive here. Every couple years or so, they have a march down our main street. Cowards won't take off their hoods though. If they think they are so right, why are they ashamed to show their faces? Plus, they very much lean to the right (Republican Party). I know Byrd from W. VA. has a past in the KKK; however, that was in the 40's I believe and the man has amended his way of thinking and been forgiven for his misdeeds. However, the KKK were mostly Republican (here I go again . . . making a statement without a URL for proof. However, I watched a program on the Discovery Channel and it was referring to the KKK in the early 1920s as really controlling a lot in our government and they were Republican).

Albeit Jewish, Presbyterian, Catholic, Methodist, Muslim, etc., I have never liked George Allen or his politics. He's a Republican and that is the main reason for not particularly liking the man. He has been Bush's parrot the last 5 years and continues to do so. Virginia has a Democratic Governor now. However, they did Vote Allen in as a Senator. Plus, Virginia is a red state (but barely).

Anyway, I know Allen is going to use his "faith" like Bush did. He has been the biggest brown nose I have seen since a so-called "Christian" has been president. It amazes me how many of our members of Congress now seem to be very religious people, Dem or Republican.

Thanks for bringing my attention to my error.

[underpants]

29. Sweet Nectar of Liberty!!!

I figured it was just a mistake, no biggee.

I am compelled to post Sen.Allen's catch phrase history here.


Allen said it AGAIN on Wednesday January 26th the year of our lord 2005

Condi Rice’s confirmation hearing
1/19/05
http://allen.senate.gov/?c=story&t=press&story=2005011961776.859375

Because of President Reagan's steadfast determination, hundreds of millions of people tasting that sweet nectar of liberty in central Europe are now friends and allies," said Senator Allen.

On the 2004 election
10/10/2004
http://www.vote-smart.org/speech_detail.php?speech_id=69507
Ronald Reagan's election changed the dynamic of the Cold War from one of containment and co-existence to the advancement of freedom. As a result, hundreds of millions of people in Central Europe, once behind the Iron Curtain, now taste the sweet nectar of liberty, have joined NATO, and are true friends and allies.

Senator Allen's Tribute to President Reagan
June 8, 2004
http://www.nrsc.org/nrscweb/newsdesk/articles/401.shtml

But President Reagan believed the blessings of liberty must not be bestowed only on a few nations and only to those blessed to be born on free soil; Ronald Reagan, with the strength of his convictions, exported and advanced democracy to continents, countries, and people yearning to taste the sweet nectar of libert.



GOVERNOR ALLEN SELECTED AS "JEFFERSON SCHOLAR"
August 28, 1998
http://www.alec.org/viewpage.cfm?pgname=3.1aa56

He also pointed to North Korea, China, Iraq, Cuba and other countries where "there are people who have never truly tasted freedom's sweet nectar.

[MinnesotaMike31]

18. Clinton/Clark vs. Allen/Pawlenty (MN Gov...booo!!!) n/t

[Uncle Joe]

20. Al Gore/Anybody but Zell Miller vs Howard Baker/John Warner

I don't really think that Howard or John will be the Republican nominees, I just think they are the best that they have. I also believe that the only way that we can undo the damage that has occurred to our nation and the planet since the coup of 2000 is to put the rightfully elected President Al Gore in to the White House.We have been living in Pottersville ever since 2000 and the only way to redeem ourselves is to cover George Bailey's back.

[BlueIris]

22. Kerry/Conyers Vs. McCain/Thompson.

At least that would be a clean-looking race, which is what the Republicans will desperately need.

[frankly_fedup2]

23. Kerry needs to get in there with a lot more then he had in 04. Conyers,

well, what can we say about him. I'd love to see him run; however, I don't think anyone from the House of Reps has ever run . . . do you? I really don't know.

He is an honest man, like I believe John Kerry is; however, I felt Kerry should have had the Ohio BS looked into more, even if he used a PI with someone else's name as the hire. I think that is what people were expecting and no one knows if he did do that.

Also, those swift boat veterans . . . he should have took them on one by one at the very beginning and stopped it right then and there and tell them to prove it or he was going to see them in court after the election. I do not understand why politicians do not take these people that bash them to court for defamation.

Like the new book out bashing Hillary already. This is the same way they did Bill Clinton. They started on him (read David Corns book "Blinded by the Right") before he even officially got the nomination. They will do the same thing to her. All she did was stay with an unfaithful husband and kept her family together because that was the most important thing for her. Now they are bashing her . . . for what?

I guess if it isn't true, they will make it up, and then the Dems try to show some class and not even dignify their accusations with a response. We need a new strategy or something.

I want Hillary to be elected President. However, I wish she would wait until 2012. Maybe she ought to go in as a VP with Kerry as Pres. However, is Kerry obligated to Edwards. Then there is Edwards. I like the way he carries himself. Edwards and Clinton might not be bad either.

OMG, I wore out with so much thinking about 3 years from now. What is wrong with me?????????? I know what it is PURE F* DESPERATION with that little neocon and those hawks running the show from the basement.

Sorry. Venting I guess :dilemma:

[BlueIris]

26. Kerry WILL have a lot more than the ample qualifications he had

already in '04. Conyers could be a key part of the new-and-improved package in '08, though, particularly with regard to what he will represent to the voting public in terms of integrity (especially where, you know, VOTING is concerned). The Dems will need to look, in every way, MORE honest than the Republicans, who will, despite what I believe will have been revealed about their party's corruption by that point, have a tough ticket to beat with John McCain as their man. Plus, I love John Conyers. I love Kerry just as much, and for many of the same reasons. Many voters, like you, still don't have all the facts about Kerry's role in investigating and supporting investigations into voter fraug in Ohio, Florida and other states. They'll need to see Conyers--or his symbolic equivalent--up there next to Kerry to feel secure. Regardless of course, it would just feel so darn good to vote for Conyers, for anything. I don't live in Michigan, so, his place on a presidential ticket might be my only chance.

[AntiCoup2K4]

24. Not a Senator/No DLC vs. Two Dominionist Fascist PNAC whackos

The winner: America.

[greendog]

25. Schweitzer / Feingold vs Giuliani / Whitman

I think we're looking at lots of surprises between now and then.

[Larry in KC]

27. Clark/Feingold vs. Bush/Gingrich

Even some of the MSM will have to just come out and say "Good vs. Evil"

[election_2004]

28. Lincoln/Warner vs. Allen/Rice

After Blanche Lincoln becomes the first woman to capture a major party's presidential nomination...

http://www.lincoln2008.com

I wouldn't be surprised if George Allen (or Bill Frist - - I don't see much of a difference) selects Condoleezza Rice in order to race-bait the Dem ticket.

[1932]

30. Edwards/Boxer vs Frist/Dole