Chimp has unlimited power and we're screwed

[ailsagirl]

Bush strengthened Public Law 101-647. Signed by his father in November 1990, Public Law 101-647, allows Bush to declare a national emergency for almost any reason, an earthquake, a terrorist attack, or even an economic crisis. In the event of a Bush declared emergency, the Federal Emergency Management Agency – FEMA, is empowered to implement the horrific Executive Orders 10995 through 11005. Here are five of them:

Executive Order #10995: Authorizes seizure of all communication equipment in the United States.

Executive Order #10997: Authorizes seizure of all electric power companies, fuels, fuel sources, and minerals (public and private)

Executive Order #10998: Authorizes seizure of all food supplies, food resources, all farms and all farmlands (public and private).

Executive Order #10999: Authorizes seizure of all means of transportation- including personal cars, trucks, or any type of vehicle; Total control over all highways, roads, airports, air space, seaports, and sea ways.

Executive Order #11000: Authorizes forced conscription of all Americans to work camps under supervision of Federal agents. This section also authorizes the splitting up of family units if deemed necessary by the government agencies in charge.

As acting president of the United States during the declaration of a national emergency and Martial Law Bush also has the power to issue new Executive Orders, granting him far reaching powers to unilaterally create law without congressional oversight and approval.

On October 11, 2002 the Senate voted 77 to 23 in favor of granting Bush independent war making powers to "preemptively strike" Iraq or any other country at his discretion.

America is now a full-fledged fascist police state masquerading as a democracy. We can expect a chokingly repressive and exploitive society and future. From this time forward the dumbed down American people will conduct their tragic fake elections with a paperless software program owned and controlled by a hand full of criminals. From this day forward the American people are slaves.

http://liberty.hypermart.net/voices/2004/America_is_Now_a_Full-Fledged_Fascist_Police_State.htm

[grannylib]

1. Him and whose army?? He's killing 'em all as fast as he can, and

for some odd reason, no more are signing up!!

[ailsagirl]

2. He can call a crisis whenever he wants-- and there we go

[Dragonfli]

5. FEMA operation - do they have an army of their own?

I wonder if they can/will use "Security Contractors".
This admin. just loves "Contractors"
Scary Thoughts. :scared:

[sendero]

3. Come on...

... these sorts of scenarios make me laugh. Do you think even the Freeper population is going to sit back and allow this sort of thing?

No, you can declare an executive order that you are "invincible king of all you survey" - that doesn't make it so.

[ailsagirl]

4. I hope you're right-- I hope I'm being ridiculous!!!

[sendero]

14. I'm not saying..

.... you are ridiculous. I'm just saying there is a practical limit to the power the executive branch can realistically wield.

Americans are not going to sit by and live by government fiat.

Every time you feel animosity towards the freedom to own guns that we are afforded, remember this - part of the reason we have that freedom is our founding fathers realized (ok, I know this was an amendment, but stick with me in spirit) that the population needed to be armed.

They also realized and made in clear in the declaration of independence that people have an inherent right to cast off any oppressive government.

The right wing, by living on gun rights, has effectively painted themselves into a corner in terms of what they can actually do by fiat. No army can enforce a heinous set of restrictions on an armed populace. And America is nothing if not an armed populace.

[ailsagirl]

16. Thanks, sendero, for the calm response

And I know you didn't call me ridiculous... that was my
word. (Although a few other responses have implied such)

"America is nothing if not an armed populace..."

You got that right!!

"...a practical limit to the power the executive branch can realistically wield."

Thanks-- I needed to hear that.

[MrMonk]

6. OMFG! Not this crap again!

This baloney about the "horrific Executive Orders" has been circulating unquestioned for about 40 years. It's not even worth my time to argue about it anymore. Here's a link to the "slave labor" order 11000:

http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/11000.htm

You can find the rest, some with commentaries, by googling "executive order", plus the order number. Knock yourselves out. Or don't. Whatever.

:banghead:

[ailsagirl]

10. You're saying these orders aren't in place?

Assuming they are, I find it rather frightening. That
madman has more power than any other president.

I hope to hell I'm worrying needlessly but those bastards
are backed into a corner and they just might be desperate
enough to pull something.

Again, I hope to hell I'm wrong.

[MrMonk]

11. Read the Orders

The Executive Orders are in place, and have been for about 40 years. I told you how to find copies of them. The Orders do not say what you claim they do.

[ailsagirl]

12. Correction: what the link said.

[Hippo_Tron]

7. Here's the question: Why the fuck would he do this?

I don't doubt that the executive branch can do really whatever the fuck they want assuming that there is no dissent in the ranks in the military or the federal law enforcement agencies. But why the fuck would Bush want to do any of this? Doing all of this would completely ruin our economy, with the exception of defense industries and that's the last thing that the wealthy CEOs and such who got him elected would want.

[ailsagirl]

9. You're asking for logic? Since when has he ever been logical?

No SANE person would ever implement any of these measures but
we're not talking about sane people.

[Hippo_Tron]

13. What has he done that is so illogical?

Pretty much everything he has done is logical because it either helps corporate interests or helps score him political points.

[dweller]

8. i ignore the *moron on a daily basis

and will continue to do so despite any cockamanie crisis he concocts.

Dems are survivors...

dp

[Pryderi]

15. Executive Order 13233. Is an EO greater than an Act of Congress?

#274 - Executive Order 13233

-snip-

In 1978, Congress seemingly settled that matter with the passage of the Presidential Records Act, which declared that "the United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control" of the president's records. While the act had its origins in post-Watergate concerns about executive usurpation, it also reflected the demands of the American people for political transparency and openness in government. Specifically, the legislation provided that when the president and vice-president leave office, their papers would be transferred to the National Archives. After five years, during which the records would be processed, access would be subject to requests made under the Freedom of Information Act, and after twelve years they would be open to the public. Some exceptions were made for records that address questions of national security, trade, and other matters relating to advice given to the president in confidence. The legislation was signed by Jimmy Carter and went into effect under his successor, Ronald Reagan. By law, the records of the Reagan presidency were to be opened in 2001.

Last November <2001>, just as the National Archives was preparing to release a small portion of the records of the Reagan administration, President George W. Bush issued Executive Order 13233. The order challenges both the spirit and, I believe, the letter of the Presidential Records Act, reversing the commitment to open access. It gives former presidents and their assignees--seemingly in perpetuity--the right to prevent the release of presidential papers. It also allows a sitting president to block the release of a former president's records, even after that former president has signaled his approval. It requires that those who challenge the action of either a former president or the sitting president seek redress in court.

Now, we’d love to send you to the Executive Orders page of www.whitehouse.gov to take a look at the text EO 13233 for yourself, but as of today, you won’t find it there.*

You’ll find the Executive Order for the Establishment of White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives. You’ll find the Executive Order Establishing the Bob Hope American Patriot Award. You’ll find over 100 Executive Orders, listed by the date they were signed. EO 13233 was signed November 1, 2001. The White House site shows Executive Orders signed October 22, 2001 and November 9, 2001 – as of today, you won’t find anything in between.

http://www.525reasons.com/archives/000577.html

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/orders/

What's strange is, you can see the EO in a news release, but not on the EO page

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/11/20011101-12.html

[Massacure]

17. Although hopefully we don't need to use these, what if...

North Korea launched a nuke at San Francisco?

10995 could be used so that the president could seize radio stations and order an evacuation as well as post detonation instructions.

10997 could be used to seize control of gas stations and ration fuels for an escape.

10998 could be used to feed the evacuees.

10999 might be used so that people may not evacuate by themselves. Why allow 10 million people ride in 10 million cars when you can have 10 million people ride in 2 million cars? Or what if they needed to seize a railroad to transport food/fuel/people/etc...

11000 might be used to to force people to build infrastructure at the evacuation points?

All of these have uses. Besides, the President cannot stop himself from being impeached if he uses this as a political power grab.