bush and the Nuremberg trials

[historian]

To those much younger than I (and there are many no doubt) i just want to remind you of something. The only reason the allies could find to persecute the top Nazis was that they had deliberately sought a war of aggression, and were to be judged as war criminals based on that. It was precedent but it was necessary since in strict legal terms the Nazis weren't guilty of anything since they were following the laws of the land.
Now, if that precedent had to be sought in order to prosecute Nazis, then this bush activity is far more serious. He cannot claim to be following the laws of the land since he obviously broke the law by beginning hostilities prior to any approval by congress. It was a deliberate act of aggression, which makes him a war criminal. He and his band of thugs should not only be impeached; they should stand trial for crimes against humanity.
But (sigh) with the general IQ in America hovering at just above the imbecile line, i doubt anything will happen.

[IChing]

1. My signature and Judge Jackson agrees with you

It is a world historical lesson and was the basis for the creation of the
International Criminal Court at the Hague.

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[nytemare]

2. You and I are on the same sheet of music.

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:)

[TahitiNut]

3. That was VERY clear to me over two years ago.

It's appalling that anyone can escape high school and not know this. As a former high school teacher (long ago), I sure wouldn't pass any "student" incapable of comprehending this. :shrug:

[IChing]

4. I think that impeachment is not the ultimate answer

If they were pardon by anyone in this government saying that they could
not be prosecuted, like Nixon, it would be inexcusable,
I wanted Nixon in Jail for the reason that a pardon would be a bad
for posterity.

I was proved right, in that a lot the criminals
from the Reagan/Bush administration were pardoned and are now in the powers
of government or their sieblings or underlings are in power.

It is worth remembering these Bush pardons involved men who had committed serious violations against both US and international law, to say nothing of their contempt for the US Constitution.

They knowingly committed shadow diplomacy with a foreign government (with Iran in the run-up to the 1980 election), transported narcotics on United States military planes for sale to American citizens (roughly 1983--1986), funded a proxy war against the Sandanista government in violation of international law and the legislative branch of the US government, and--"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"--lied to Congress about it. Repeatedly.

In other words, these were bad, bad men responsible for very, very bad things that hurt and killed a lot of people.

Any action which sends a signal that, if you work for the government, you're above the law, or that not telling the truth to Congress under oath is somehow less serious than not telling the truth to some other body." This is a measured statement, but the essence of the point--that power should not provide immunity from justice

[TahitiNut]

5. Nothing less than war crimes trials will satisfy me.

I don't believe a pardon for war crimes is even worth pausing over. It's illegitimate. War crimes cannot be pardoned. Nixon's crimes were small potatoes compared to this criminal cabal. Until these people are brought to justice this country is an outlaw nation and it should shame any person of integrity and conscience to call themselves an "American". It does me. It was bad enough during the Reagan years to see how their international criminality was so lightly dealt with. The atrocities of cabal are beyond the pale.

[IChing]

8. Nixon's crimes were small potatoes compared to this criminal cabal

I agree
The crimes of these thugs through their regimes has grown immensely and exponentially.
We need to remember where Rumsfield started and with who.

Once crimes, or negative behavior is reinforced in a way, that there will be no justice served.
Then negative conditioning strengthens a behavior, and lends to a positive reinforcement because a negative condition is not stopped or avoided as a consequence of the behavior.
(school teacher talk) In other words they just got bolder and bolder.

War crimes and crimes against mankind can never be pardon by any nation in the world.

[ProudDad]

9. I don't know about that

Stringing out Viet-Nam for 7 more years with the loss of over half of the American lives during that war is pretty big shit.

And Kissinger still walks around...

[FreedomAngel82]

6. I doubt anything will happen too

Which is really depressing. :(

[KakistocracyHater]

7. there is around the Bush regime an "in crowd"

mentality, like a group of high school kids, & they can do whatever they want & everyone else just has to live with that. It really is that simple, & they work very hard to cultivate those feelings in everyone around them. I wonder just what will eventually happen, will they walk away from the wreckage of the US, with their stolen billions in island accounts, free from prosecution of any kind?

[ladjf]

10. Is America suffering for some sort of concentration of "bad genes"?

It appears that almost half the population is in a stupor.

[Nikki Stone 1]

11. You got your 3rd recommendation

:kick:

[passy]

12. I thought that US citizens cannot be tried at the Hague...

Didn't Bush opt out of the War Crimes Tribunal.
Is that only for the military or does that also cover political leaders.
Is Bush as commander in chief regarded as being a member of the armed forces?

[ReadTomPaine]

13. It's about as clear a violation of Nuremberg as you can get.

Textbook example. And lets not forget Jackson sat on the Supreme Court.

How "far" we've come, eh?

[sweetheart]

14. All presidents since WW2 should be tried for war crimes

Clinton -> Sudan, kosovo
Bush 1 -> Panama
Reagan -> Greneda
Carter -> Iran
Ford -> Beiruit,
Nixon -> Chile, vietnam
Johnson -> vietnam
kennedy -> cuba
...

If we dig up the history, all american presidents have waged
illigal aggressive war as part of their claim to the right of empire.

To single bush out, is to be false about the systemic criminal
behaviour of a system that permits such behaviour.