Rove created this firestorm on purpose. The question is why.

[MoonRiver]

KKKarl never says anything off the cuff or acts impulsively. He is the most sneaky and diabolical worm feeding on the rotten * administration. My opinion is that this whole incident was carefully designed to deflect attention away from DSM and the increasing anger about Iraq.

How often have we seen that pasty bloated face appear before the camera spewing anything, much less something that might incriminate him? I don't remember the last time. He's acting as a lightning rod for attacks that should be directed, and until yesterday, were being aimed, at * and Rumsfeld. This entire episode is bogus. Even if * "fires" KKKarl, meaning he'll announce a desire to spend more time with the family, Rove will keep pulling all the strings. The phony sacrifice would have been made simply to pacify the agitated masses. Let them eat cake.

[dogday]

1. The more he divides the two parties, the better for the Administration

and they get the support. We need to overcome this party division and work together as Americans to oust this administration. Rove knows that and keeps us divided...

[geek tragedy]

5. He also wants to cleave liberals from leftists.

He wants to separate mainstream liberals who supported military action against the Taliban from the leftwing activists who opposed it.

[dogday]

12. Moveon.org released a statement

saying they did not oppose the war in Afghanistan. Now who are they going to reference Karl's comment to?

[geek tragedy]

20. When in doubt, they always invoke Michael Moore.

Never mind that Michael Moore is neither a Democrat nor a leftist.

[dogday]

23. The Answer to that is He should of said Michael Moore then

If it is one person, then the whole statement falls apart. Move-on did not feel that way, we did not feel that way, and if Michael Moore did, he should of stated Michael Moore only. And I don't even know what Michael Moore's policy was towards Afghanistan, do you?

[geek tragedy]

26. Moore was strongly opposed to using military force against the Taliban.

Moore was actually persona non grata among mainstream liberals when he made some atrocious remarks after 911, and for his opposition to the destruction of the Taliban.

But, then Bush began preparing for the invasion of Iraq, and Moore gained credibility as a critic of that effort.

[Atman]

2. I think we have a winner!

Good deduction.

[sallyseven]

3. It is a diversion. 9/11 a phony

act. He should be put in jail. bush's numbers are too far down and they need a reason to try to get them up.

[impeachthescoundrel]

13. I agree

Saying such things will make us forget(well you know)about the DSM. In fact I think that even with the dismal opinion of Americans re: Iraq and everyrhing else going on, the DSM MUST remain an afterthought with the public as a whole. Have you noticed how much this week we have seen KKKarl on the news? That, my friend, is no accident. Somebody is scared, as well they should be.

Perhaps at last my prayer will be answered.

[radfringe]

41. divert attention from other issues

[Junkdrawer]

4. Put it this way: Remember Red Baiting during the Cold War??

Remember the Democrats response? "I reject the accusations of my opponent. Why, no one hates Communists more than I do!"

[havocmom]

6. The usual diversions were not working to deflect the DSM questions and

he had to prove to Cheney that he would 'take one for the team'. Perhaps the option diversion was somebody ratting out the Plame leaker?

They are getting desperate and running out of smoke grenades to throw at the media. Now it gets interesting & dangerous. Look for real tragedy if the DSM stay on front page.

[patrice]

7. Exactly like a "magician" on a stage: MISDIRECTION

And a whole bunch of other MIS-es:
Mislead;
Mistake;
Missing;
Mischaracterization;
Mis-apprehend;
Misanthropic . . . .

[wicket]

8. New torture photos are to be released next week

See Lynn's post for more info:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3930687

[Jackpine Radical]

18. I think you're right here.

He's trying to paint the Bushies as the only ones with the guts to "do what it takes," including torture, to "protect" us from the terrorists. They're going to try to get us to accept torture as a legitimate antiterrorist measure, something that needed to be done but that the bleeding-heart liberals, with their talk of indictments and therapy wouldn't have the fortitude to do.

[pointsoflight]

9. Don't let it work...it's easy to make it backfire on him.

Don't get riled up about his attack on liberals. That's want he wants us to do in order to divert attention from the failed policies of the Bush administration.

DON'T focus on this:

"Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers."

Instead focus on this:

"Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war."

Use Rove's own comments as the basis for discussing how the Bush adminstration turned their attention away from the actual attackers to rush to war against Iraq, how the Bush administration has mismanaged and failed to adequately prepare for our military action in the middle east, etc.

Here's a great come-back to Roves comments...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/6/24/94035/0253

[MoonRiver]

17. Excellent! The FAILED war on terrorism, at least in terms of catching OBL

and most if not all of the other 9/11 masterminds, is something they have no answer for.

[patrice]

22. Indictments would have been very GOOD!

Therapy? Are we less human than others; didn't 9/11 HURT us too? Of course we feel the need to strike the guilty - in AFGHANISTAN.

George got drunk on his own power = Iraq.

[melissinha]

28. I agree!

I don't deny that

Liberals saw what happened to us and said we must understand our enemies.

You are damned straight.. but I see that statement differently, we want to understand the enemy so that we can negotiate diplomatically without having to spend trillions of $$ and thousands of lives so that you can illegally hand over duffel bags full of cash to your friends without a paper trail.

and as you said:

Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war.

Thats fair... but only for a war against Osama Bin Laden... Thats the type of additude that Rove shows for his political enemies... they attack without thinking! attack attack attack!

Sounds like somebody isn't well-endowed!

[blm]

10. In hopes that dems would assert they're tough and support Bush on Iraq

But, I think that damn few will fall for that as this point.

[patrice]

24. Dems are grown ups; they know there MUST be something actually

Successful about Bush's Damned War, which EVERYONE but it's actual perpetrator(traitor?) is/will be paying for FOREVER!

Rove: "ON to IRAN!!!!"

[patrice]

11. Why don't all of us just LAUGH at him? Laugh every time he says anything.

He is SO full of Shit.

[gratuitous]

14. I'm guessing they didn't expect any backlash

According to Faux News, the White House has been a little surprised by the reaction to Turd Blossom's intemperate comments. These guys really think they're bulletproof and it isn't just the tequila talking.

Folks should all pursue their own agendas as much as necessary, but I think that Rove and his White House master have been injured by this little dust-up. For those of us who would like to pursue the little weasel and run him to ground, please just let us go. If the Downing Street Memo is important to you, or the mounting casualties in Iraq, or whatever other atrocity this administration is committing boils your oil more, by all means pursue them on it. For those of us who'd like to remove Bush's brain from the White House, let us continue after him without catcalls of "sideshow" or "distraction." We're aware of that. We're also aware that this appears to be the best chance in a long time of inflicting a really bad wound on this corrupt administration.

{Edited to change media reference to Faux News from the New York Times}

[Tamarin]

27. I agree with you 100%

There are many fronts on which to attack the republicans, let us all chose our battles, we can cover them all. This blow-back on Rove is hurting them, they may be laughing but Rove looks petty and partisan as hell.

[patrice]

30. Rove thinks he's smarter than others: Backlash from smart people.

In a fair game Rove, Cheney, Bush, Rice, Wolfowitz, Scooter et al wouldn't stand a chance against MOST of the opposition.

Anyone/I could see the problems with their designs from the beginning of their "PNAC-ian Project" and I'm not all that "smart". The OBVIOUS flaws throughout the administration indicate that getting it right doesn't matter.

................................

I don't know how Bush sleeps at night, without drugs, for fear of dreams of all of the children he killed.

[eissa]

15. Simple

His comments get a lot of coverage -- the right wing message is repeated constantly on the MSM. And Rove, like all repukes, will never apologize and * will never fire his master. We keep making a fuss, keeping his comments in the headlines, while they laugh.

[patrice]

31. It should be used as a springboard for our langauge/issues

Everytime he tries this, use it as an opportunity to respond, on camera, with your issues/language - CONNECTIONS - segue to - MISTAKES proove competence does not matter in this administration - or whatever . . . Be creative (it's called "squirrel killing" on high school debate teams) - Use what they are doing to distract you/us as an opportunity to get to your language/issues in front of the media.

[wurzel]

16. This may be true. But should he get away with calling Dems traitors?

What is "bogus" about Rove saying Durbin wants to get our troops killed? With the appalling record on planning this war he has given the Dems a total gift to direct attention to exactly how the Repukes responded to 911. It is up to the Dems to expose the rubbish he gabbled. And by naming names.

[MoonRiver]

21. I think we had to respond to the little fascist.

All I'm stating what I think his reasons are. Better strategists than moi can figure out the best way to counterattack. Bu, imo, we have to go after them, and not defensively.

[iconoclastic cat]

19. Here's an idea why he might be doing it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1882693

[librechik]

25. Abu Ghraib news dump next week

remember, we only "mistreated" the detainees because they are BAD PEOPLE and STRUCK AT THE US! (9/11 lie) Therefore all the grisly photos of our Non-Nazi All American prison guards "mistreating" those soulless nonhuman naked animals are HEROES! and Democrats are traitors for wanting to baby them!!!

(Think it will fly? Only if we as a country really are soulless, heartless Nazis like Rove thinks.)

[July]

29. Or later today?

Friday afternoon news dump? Get it out there before 4th of July weekend?

[Fire Walk With Me]

32. Of course if BushCo LIHOP'd or MIHOP'd, THEY'RE the ones mistreating USA

And are simply mocking us constantly. What cowards.

[Dr Fate]

33. Top DEMs are glad- now they dont have to talk about the DSM...

..they were really worried about sticking their necks out on that one.

...now they can go back to talking about "safe" bullshit and can point to it and say "See we DO fight Bush- we asked for an apology too!!! Now, about that check..."

DEMs should say "Rove is just trying to distract the media form covering the DSM- the media fell for it as usual."

But the Top DEMs cant say that, b/c they dont want to talk about the DSM either.

[MoonRiver]

34. Yes, of course. They have to know.

This gives them perfect cover for ignoring the real crimes. :puke:

[rhett o rick]

35. The Neo-Cons got in power because they dividend the moderates.

I agree pretty much with dogday in this thread. The moderates from both Parties have been in control until Karl. His inflammatory speech is aimed at continuing to wedge apart the Countries' moderates. I have seen Demo reactions spouting hate toward all Republicans. This is exactly what Karl wants. We need to direct our criticism at the leaders not the Republican rank and file. Even though they are culpable for the current situation. We need desperately to win over the moderate republicans, or loose again and again.

[rhett o rick]

36. Also, I think this is a diversion from the DSM. nt

[Disturbed]

37. False framing.

"Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war."

The Bush Regime prepared for war, an illegal Invasion of Iraq, before 9/11. 9/11 was their wished for "Pearl Harbor" which gave them the excuse to invade Iraq. They mfg. false intell. and lied to Congress. Impeachment is required!

[Uncle Joe]

38. Rove went skinny dipping because

Bush is bleeding in the water and Rove will not have to run for election, so he does not care. He knows that the corporate owned media monopoly prostitutes will cover him as best they can. The Downing Street Memos are having effect in spite of said prostitutes urine poor effort to cover them. Note that when they do cover them, the most damaging section that "the intelligence was being fixed around the policy" is hardly ever mentioned and on the rare occasion when it is, you would think they are talking about astrophysics. Simply put while Clinton, Gore and Kerry thought there may be WMDs in Iraq, they never lied about nukes, aluminum tubes and yellowcake uranium from Niger,unmanned aerial vehicles, scary trailers and Saddam attacking us in 45 minutes. The media prostitutes can only stall this for a limited period of time, unless we get sidetracked by Rove's ugly posterior end splashing in the water.

[Generator]

39. Fear

Often I'm unsure, see both sides of something. But on this question of Rove..I'm a 123% sure it's the old fear button.

Fear is the only thing they've EVER fucking had.

Fear of gay people.

Fear of the true progress that liberals have made in this country for Gays, women, miniorities.

Fear fear fear

Fear that liberals are the "weak" ones and thus, they will lead you straight to your DEATH! Oh my God..the liberals will get us all killed. If you boil down the essence of Limbaugh or Hannity..it's the same deal.

Fear.

Remember 9/11- of course-out of FEAR people will turn on their neighbor, sacrifice their liberties, their wallets..everything..even attack ANYONE just to FEEL safer.

Fear.

Of course the great big irony is that attacking Iraq has done nothing for our safety and most certainly made everything worse.

As my daughter would say, it's backwards day..ever damn day for these people.

[retread]

40. I don't ascribe any great powers of manipulation or cunning to this

worm. Any immoral half-wit could do the same given the tools KKKarl has to work with. This kind of crap is what he does. I doubt he thought there would be any consequences and there may not be.

[ComerPerro]

42. It's all we are talking about