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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:02 PM
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Here It Is: John Kerry's DSM Letter
Edited on Fri Jun-24-05 03:04 PM by kerrygoddess
John Kerry’s office has released a copy of his letter to the Senate Intelligence Committee requesting an investigation of pre-war Iraq intelligence failures (and the Downing Street Memo) to LightUpTheDarkness.org.

June 22, 2005
The Honorable Pat Roberts, Chairman
The Honorable John D. Rockefeller, IV, Vice Chairman
United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
SH-211
Washington, DC 20510

Dear Senator Roberts and Senator Rockefeller:
We write concerning your committee's vital examination of pre-war Iraq intelligence failures. In particular, we urge you to accelerate to completion the work of the so-called "Phase II" effort to assess how policy makers used the intelligence they received. Last year your committee completed the first phase of a two-phased effort to review the pre-war intelligence on Iraq. Phase I-begun in the summer of 2003 and completed in the summer of 2004-examined the performance of the American intelligence community in the collection and analysis of intelligence prior to the war, including an examination of the quantity and quality of U.S. intelligence on Iraqi weapons of mass destruction and the intelligence on ties between Saddam Hussein's regime and terrorist groups. At the conclusion of Phase I, your committee issued an unclassified report that made an important contribution to the American public's understanding of the issues involved. In February 2004-well over a year ago-the committee agreed to expand the scope of inquiry to include a second phase which would examine the use of intelligence by policy makers, the comparison of pre-war assessments and post-war findings, the activities of the Policy Counterterrorism Evaluation Group (PCTEG) and the Office of Special Plans in the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, and the use of information provided by the Iraqi National Congress. The committee's efforts have taken on renewed urgency given recent revelations in the United Kingdom regarding the apparent minutes of a July 23, 2002, meeting between Prime Minister Tony Blair and his senior national security advisors. These minutes-known as the "Downing Street Memo"-raise troubling questions about the use of intelligence by American policy makers-questions that your committee is uniquely situated to address. The memo indicates that in the summer of 2002, at a time the White House was promising Congress and the American people that war would be their last resort, that they believed military action against Iraq was "inevitable." The minutes reveal that President "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."

The American people took the warnings that the administration sounded seriously-warnings that were echoed at the United Nations and here in Congress as we voted to give the president the authority to go to war. For the sake of our democracy and our future national security, the public must know whether such warnings were driven by facts and responsible intelligence, or by political calculation. These issues need to be addressed with urgency. This remains a dangerous world, with American forces engaged in Iraq and Afghanistan, and other challenges looming in Iran and North Korea. In this environment, the American public should have the highest confidence that policy makers are using intelligence objectively-never manipulating it to justify war, but always to protect the United States. The contents of the Downing Street Memo undermine this faith and only rigorous Congressional oversight can determine the truth. We urge the committee to complete the second phase of its investigation with the maximum speed and transparency possible, producing, as it did at the end of Phase I, a comprehensive, unclassified report from which the American people can benefit directly.

Sincerely,
John Kerry
Co-signers: Sens. Tim Johnson, Jon Corzine, Jack Reed, Frank Lautenberg, Barbara Boxer, Edward Kennedy, Thomas Harkin, Jeff Bingaman, Richard Durbin

http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=1150
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AUYellowDog Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:03 PM
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1. Praise Jesus
and pass the ammo.

Brandon
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:04 PM
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2. finally, big kick!
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Broken Acorn Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:06 PM
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3. This will never be mentioned in the Corporate Media
A noble effort though.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 04:12 PM
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24. NewsGoogling your theory
Edited on Fri Jun-24-05 04:12 PM by Bucky
All I've found is (1) this right wing ragging of Kerry on the Downing Street memos, saying that in 2002 Kerry was referring to Saddam sitting on a pile of WMDs, so that he has no right to speak out now; and (2) this Newsday op-ed regurgitating the same.

Sure, it's just conservative commentators spewing and, sure, it's all an implausible cover for the right wing. Lucky for them we're living in a post-factual reality. But with all the noise generated, this may be a sign that this story might have legs. When Republicans start denying the obvious, rather than just ignoring the obvious, you know you've hit them where they hurt.
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:08 PM
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4. Good for Kerry!!! Thank you!
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:12 PM
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5. Well whatever that first phase was it was a whitewash.
From my Senator, Ron Wyden..in a letter dated May 12, 2004- (I previously posted some of this last year on DU)

~
On February 3, President Bush announced that he had decided to support an independent investigation into pre-war intelligence on Iraq.

Unfortunately the President not only hand picked the members of the commission to investigate his own Administration, he has ALSO EXPLICITLY PROHIBITED the commission from looking at how his Adminstration USED INTELLIGENCE in the build up to the war.

~

How's that for proof of guilt by omission heh?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 04:23 PM
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28. We need Wyden to join Corzine on this in the Intel committee meeting.
Please pressure him as a constituent.
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seshers Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:13 PM
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6. Nice Job, John.
Hey kerrygoddess, was this the news or is there more?

Never Give Up.
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:15 PM
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7. Everyone who has Senators without their names on the list
Edited on Fri Jun-24-05 03:22 PM by Goldeneye
should start calling and e-mailing.

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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:17 PM
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9. I thought at least Feingold would be there
I called both of them. I thought for sure at least one of them would be on the letter. Da bums!
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:22 PM
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14. I thought so too.
I'm working on Feingold and Kohl's letters.
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smartvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:25 PM
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16. I immediately noticed his is missing. nt
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 12:51 AM
Response to Reply #9
69. yeah where IS Feingold?
I thought he was a maverick. I guess not as much as Kerry is!
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. Everybody except MA and NJ.
I guess some states are a loss of time though.

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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:21 PM
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12. I'm more interested in the Senators that DIDN'T sign it!! (nt)
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 04:18 PM
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26. I had a bad vibe about Hillary when Bill said he hadn't "heard" about DSM.
i try to back her wherever I can, but, this just seems really wrong. Alot of Senators take political cues from the Clintons because their political acumen is supposed to be legendary.

That may be why Kerry was having trouble getting more signers.
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 01:36 AM
Response to Reply #26
73. Clinton said he hadn't read it but on
letterman, he also had plenty to say on it. He was being very coy and the master diplomat that he is. He heard about it and I wouln't be surprised if he had read it also.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:16 PM
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8. Glad to see it, but I respectfully ask, why FRIDAY AFTERNOON?
It'll most surely be lost in the news dump.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #8
11. Was supposed to be three days ago
but was delayed when somebody else wanted to sign. Eh.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #11
15. IMO, it would have made a lot more sense to have released it Monday AM,
when we'd have at least a full news cycle and some days to follow up.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 12:59 AM
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70. I think it was intentional
Kerry wanted this to percolate on the Internet over the weekend, maybe, and give the MSM an extra push to cover it next week. They need to feel the pressure of competition, I think.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 09:33 PM
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95. Anything released on a Friday sinks like a stone. Friday afternoon is the
weekly "news dump", when the White House releases anything they want to be overlooked...the Saturday papers are the least read of the week, and people are looking forward to their weekend with family and friends. It's an absolutely DEAD time for news.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #8
23. Spread the news far and wide
Perhaps some journalists with a show can have all the co-signers on....
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #8
25. A couple senators were late to sign on.
And some hemmed and hawwed too much and ended up taking a pass.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:21 PM
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13. Unfortunately, only John Corzine is a member of the Intelligence Committee
Edited on Fri Jun-24-05 03:25 PM by flpoljunkie
and five signatures are required to authorize an investigation. However, since the Republican Chairman Pat Roberts has reneged on the investigation he promised, perhaps that requirement is moot.

From Senator Kerry's letter:

In February 2004-well over a year ago-the committee agreed to expand the scope of inquiry to include a second phase which would examine the use of intelligence by policy makers, the comparison of pre-war assessments and post-war findings, the activities of the Policy Counterterrorism Evaluation Group (PCTEG) and the Office of Special Plans in the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, and the use of information provided by the Iraqi National Congress.

From Taytay's earlier post: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Rule 6. Investigations

No investigation shall be initiated by the Committee unless at least five members of the Committee have specifically requested the Chairman or the Vice Chairman to authorize such an investigation. Authorized investigations may be conducted by members of the Committee and/or designated Committee staff members.

The members of the Committee, from whom five sigs are needed are:

REPUBLICANS
And I understand that at least five member are required to request an investigation.

REPUBLICANS
Pat Roberts, Kansas Chairman
Orrin G. Hatch, Utah
Mike Dewine, Ohio
Christopher S. Bond, Missouri
Trent Lott, Mississippi
Olympia J. Snowe, Maine
Chuck Hagel, Nebraska
Saxby Chambliss, Georgia

DEMOCRATS
John D. Rockefeller IV West Virginia, Vice Chairman
Carl Levin, Michigan
Dianne Feinstein, California
Ron Wyden, Oregon
Evan Bayh, Indiana
Barbara A. Mikulski, Maryland
Jon S. Corzine, New Jersey
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #13
57. Thank you for posting this
Apparently, I was prescient earlier at the wrong moment. (Oh well, if I was truly prescient I would have known those lottery numbers.)

No sigs, no investigation. And Roberts is likely to fight this tooth and nail. So we really, really need to put pressure on the Dems on this list and, maybe, Hagel. He's very conservative but can be persuaded (sometimes.)
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pazarus Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:30 PM
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17. excellent
I wonder if it's enough to go anywhere... are 10 senators and a national movement enough to warrant an investigation?
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smartvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:34 PM
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18. Great letter. Should have held 'til Monday, though. Friday is a dud. nt
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 07:31 PM
Response to Reply #18
58. Maybe it will still make the Sunday gabfests
Somethings that are released on Friday afternoon wind up getting talked about on Sunday morning.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:40 PM
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19. Was it RELEASED today, or LEAKED today?
Is he saving this for Monday?
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #19
20. I got an advance copy...
Have no idea if it was delevered today, but I assume it was and they have not yet posted it to Kerry's Senate website.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 05:01 PM
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34. FYI: Afterdowingstreet.org has it posted and David has emailed it ...
Edited on Fri Jun-24-05 05:04 PM by understandinglife
.... to folk on their mailing list. Link:

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/515

And, here is the Raw Story link:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2005/kerry_downing_street_letter_624.htm


"... we sent our young people into harm's way without leveling with the American people." - Congresswoman Pelosi before Congress, 16 June 2005



Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - One question, my fellow Americans, "Why is Bush not already in jail?"
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 06:29 PM
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47. And your point is?
I am aware of that... Kerry's press office has a list of sources they send press releases, statements, floor speeches and alerts to on a regular basis.

I've been on that list for quite sometime and posting these things from Kerry's office on LUTD for months. As a matter of fact, LUTD cover's more things from Kerry's press office than Raw Story.

So if you are insinuating that I got the letter elsewhere you are mistaken.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #47
53. ?? Never anticipated such a response. Just provided links to ...
Edited on Fri Jun-24-05 07:00 PM by understandinglife
... other places that were posting and emailing the letter to assure folk that it was being spread far and wide.

Sorry you interpreted it otherwise. Oh, and I had hit the recommend button on your OP just after you posted to try to help keep it visible.


Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us - Just one question, my fellow Americans, "Why is Bush not yet in jail?"
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 11:44 PM
Response to Reply #53
64. Sorry and thanks!
After getting bashed for posting earlier in the week that this was coming, I guess I was a little weary. So I misunderstood.

Peace

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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 11:48 PM
Response to Reply #64
65. Hey, I think you are great and I admire your diligence and efforts.
All the best.

We The People....will prevail by taking very good care of each other.

Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us - My fellow Americans, I have a simple question for all of you - "Why has Bush not already been prosecuted for his war crimes?"
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 01:04 AM
Response to Reply #65
71. Thanks again...
I believe in John Kerry. And I believe in what is good in this country.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #65
87. Now that's a post that should be a thread of its own.
IMany of us appreciate both of your efforts.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:53 PM
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21. Where's the call for Impeachment?
How about calling junior a LIAR?

I am very disappointed.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #21
27. Impeachment is a duty of the House. I am sure you weren't disappointed
with congress' action last week were you?

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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #27
29. Yes...but the call for it doesn't have to come from the house.
ANY Democrat can call for it. Kerry is still boxing with one fist tied behind his back. I'm glad he is fighting but he needs both fists.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #29
30. If Kerry called for impeachment he'd have NO SIGNERS FOR AN INQUIRY.
And you don't CALL for impeachment until you have an investigation.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 08:22 PM
Response to Reply #30
59. This is true
That's 'cart before the horse.' The case has to be built, then whatever happens can happen.
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Desert Liberal Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 05:39 PM
Response to Reply #21
39. Slowly, slowly.
Easy does it wins the race. We have to remember that not everyone in our great nation is as informed as we. Give it time to build. It will. Just look at the Downing Street memos.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 08:39 AM
Response to Reply #39
103. Not that we have much choice.
This slow business has a funny way of looking like never sometimes.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:56 PM
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22. More to come...just getting the knives sharpened...
Edited on Fri Jun-24-05 03:57 PM by zulchzulu
This is war to take our country back. And we WILL get it back.

Thanks John! And thanks to all the co-signers!
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #22
32. Exactly!
:kick:
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 04:37 PM
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31. Way to go Kerry!
Keep up the good work!
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 04:49 PM
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33. Great job, Mr. Kerry!
And to the others involved in that letter.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 05:18 PM
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35. Thanks!
:toast:
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 05:19 PM
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36. Solid work, JK
Edited on Fri Jun-24-05 05:37 PM by paineinthearse
:thumbsup:

Sent to my network of politicos.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 05:20 PM
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37. A nice letter, but where the hell are the rest of the senators????nt
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bilgewaterbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 06:35 PM
Response to Reply #37
51. Boxer but no Feinstein!!! nt
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 11:20 PM
Response to Reply #51
63. The co-signers are all members of the SFRC
Kerry is taking a rational approach.
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 12:34 AM
Response to Reply #63
67. SFRC as in Senate Foriegn Relations Committee?
Actually no they are not... Only Kerry and Boxer are.

Biden is the Ranking Member and it's Sarbanes, Dodd, Kerry, Fiengold, Boxer, Nelson and Obama.

http://foreign.senate.gov/about.html
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 05:30 PM
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38. Great. Now he needs to go on TV and tell the Red-staters all about it.
Edited on Fri Jun-24-05 05:31 PM by Dr Fate
Otherwise, only the donor base will see it.

Quill & Ink is mighty- but nothing like that new invention they call "the TV."

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 05:54 PM
Response to Reply #38
40. He NEEDS to get an official investigation. An official investigation will
generate more stories.

IranContra wasn't built in a month.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 06:00 PM
Response to Reply #40
42. He NEEDS folks talking about this around water coolers....
Edited on Fri Jun-24-05 06:01 PM by Dr Fate
...and at barber shops and in grocery lines.

Otherwise no one will KNOW about any effort for offical investigations and no one besides bloggers will be asking their Senators to support hearings.

There will be no hearings. But when we complain they did not fight Bush, they will say "we tried to get hearings- we wrote letters even...now, on to other issues..."

Sorry to be negative, but that is my gut at this point.

When they are ready to go on TV and tell the Red Staters about this, then I'll be a believer.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #42
43. There were hearings for Iran/Contra
and when he started the investigation, people knew jack about it. Patience, grasshoppah.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 06:08 PM
Response to Reply #43
44. We were a majority when we had those hearings. We need public discourse.
That is my take. Besides, those old hearings did not hurt Reagan, Bush Sr, North or half the folks now serving on Bush Jr.s cabinet.

We disagree. So be it!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 06:34 PM
Response to Reply #44
50. GOP was a majority in Senate when Kerry started investigating IranContra.
Edited on Fri Jun-24-05 06:35 PM by blm
This is the first step to get REAL discourse. It's harder to ignore if TEN Senators have signed for an inquiry.

It also proves they AREN'T just grandstanding for cameras, and that they're serious about it as a matter of law and of governance.

I am surprised that you can't see that.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #50
52. Once again, I'm compelled to hear you out.
But if this goes nowhere- don't get mad at me if I refuse to blame the media!

jeeze this stuff upsets me...
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #52
54. And I know you well enough to know you're REALLY upset because you care so
deeply.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 07:23 PM
Response to Reply #44
55. No sir, Dems were not in the majority then.
Edited on Fri Jun-24-05 07:33 PM by TayTay
Kerry was elected to the Senate in 1984. At that time, the Senate was held in Repub hands by 55 -45 seats. (No independents.) The Dems gained two seats in '86 then took over the Senate in '88.

Kerry was not exactly Mr. Popularity in his first Congress. He got rolled by that funny business in Nicaragua with Ortega. (Kerry and Harkin's credibility took a hit from that.) Lugar didn't trust Kerry and assigned a 'bby-sitter' to watch him during the trip to the Philippines that began the downfall of the Marcos's. (This is according to the WaPo.) So, it was not exactly easy to get the trust of Lugar to open those hearings. (Older Dems will recall that Kerry was NOT on the official Iran-Contra committee. Not an accident.) He got the drugs investigation instead and managed to make something of it.

It is possible to get an investigation going even when the opposition is in charge. The Senate just held a very contentious hearing of the Armed Services Comm in which Rumsfeld has a real grilling from Dems. But they HAD to hold those hearings. So, in answer to your query, yes, public pressure has to build. But so does press coverage. Which comes first, which one pressures the other? Chicken or the egg?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 08:23 PM
Response to Reply #55
60. Time will tell who is right about the current situation. Hope its you. n/t
n/t
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 01:06 AM
Response to Reply #40
72. absolutely correct
The former prosecutor is going to want to take the time to build an ironclad case. Iran Contra took time, and the POW-Vietnam thing did too. Kerry has the right temperament for careful and thorough investigation.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 06:00 PM
Response to Reply #38
41. The return of "Live Shot"
Diving at the nearest live camera to get publicity. I wonder if he can still do it like he did it during Iran/Contra.

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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 06:30 PM
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48. LOL! Live Shot! N/T
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 06:14 PM
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45. Thanks KG!
Thanks JK and the Dems that have signed on. :kick:
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 06:30 PM
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49. I've got JK's back! N/T
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 06:20 PM
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46. thanks john kerry!
fighting for us!
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 07:26 PM
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56. Now THAT is MY President!!
Gawd I wish he was in the White House....and Eliot Spitzer was Atty. General!! :loveya:


:applause: Go KERRY!!! Go get 'em!! :woohoo:
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 09:38 PM
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62. My president too!!!
sigh!
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 01:51 AM
Response to Reply #62
102. Mine too! Truly.
Sigh.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 08:27 PM
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61. Kick.
:thumbsup:
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Klimmer Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 11:51 PM
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66. JK turning the Swift boat toward the shore! That's my President!!!
Way to go.:woohoo:

Go John --- CCCCHHHAAARRRGGGEEE!

Let's keep pushing this investigation. "They" can not be allowed to sweep this under-the-rug.

Thanks again KG for keeping us informed. It was worth the long wait.

Now it begins. NGU.
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 12:39 AM
Response to Reply #66
68. Turn the boat toward the shore! Indeed!
Thanks Klimmer... I'm glad...
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LightningFlash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 01:36 AM
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74. An excellent speech and eloquent words, John.....
But I expected a huge amount of press attention or some press release from someone who is quote "Presidential"..

Not being able to call your own conference seems like a big exscuse to me. Talking about being a leader and really being a leader are two different things. Come out of the shadows and admit this entire DSM thing really has you peeved, call out your own media!!!!

Half the reason why public influence does not trust you, and rightfully so, is you call no attention to yourself nor do you make your actions known.

If I hadn't been reading Rawstory, neither myself or any others would have known you even submitted this letter & private minutes. :shrug: :shrug:

Even the corporate media would give you attention, but you are reluctant to ask for any.
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 01:46 AM
Response to Reply #74
77. It's not a speech... it's a formal letter requesting an investigation
It's my understanding that this was an advance copy that Kerry's staff sent to various blogs who have been pushing the DSM issue. It's not yet on his Senate website and there has been no press release yet.

Personally I feel it's nod of respect from Kerry and his staff to give the story to the blogosphere first. After all he did say when he first spoke about it that the DSM was being talked about on the internet (blogosphere) and not the MSM.

I expect we will here more about this in coming days from Kerry's office and the media. They have had a lot of pressure from the Blogosphere to get this out, including myself.
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LightningFlash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 01:48 AM
Response to Reply #77
78. Quite right, it is a formal letter....A very well written letter. n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 08:08 AM
Response to Reply #74
85. How absurd. The public SHOULDN'T trust Kerry because he's not LOUD enough?
The public SHOULD trust the lawmakers who work to investigate and expose government corruption and Kerry sits on the top of that list.

You think trust is deserved if a lawmaker can control the media....sure....that means Bush, McCain and Giuliani deserve to be trusted, and Waxman, Kucinich, Kerry and Conyers do not.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 01:43 AM
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75. You want a list of some true senatorial leaders in our party
...there they are.
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 01:49 AM
Response to Reply #75
79. Well said!
Wonderful point.

There They Are!
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 01:46 AM
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76. Kerry's letter--"cliff notes" version
"Investigating Intelligence in Phase I was fine, but we really need to get to Phase II now guys and find out what the policy-makers did with that intelligence--the Downing Street Memo shows us that there is probably something that needs to be investigated right away.
The American people, and the U.N., and Congress believed what this administration told them during the run-up to the war, and we have to find out whether they were lying or not ASAP, because they might be lying now and might lie even more in the future! The DSM's seem to say that they were, so now is the time to look into this."
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 01:50 AM
Response to Reply #76
80. Awesome synopsis!
Thank you.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #80
89. thanks
I think maybe I've found my "calling" on DU. I can break it down for people who don't have time to read long statements. I have some writing experience. :)
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 03:13 AM
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81. An investigation? Has everyone read Feynman's account of the
Challenger 'investigation'? The posturing, the superficiality, the whitewashing?

Congressional 'investigations' are designed to hide or defuse, not reveal in a way that leads to indictment and trial.
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LightningFlash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 03:57 AM
Response to Reply #81
82. Phase 1 was a whitewash.....That's why this is a huge serious call...
For a phase 2 that really actually probes this.
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 04:57 AM
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83. Whoa! Now the big guns are coming out ...
maybe this is why Dickie Boy had to make that hospital visit.
Thank you John Kerry - When Kerry has the goods, it's all over except the shouting.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 06:59 AM
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84. Needs more Senators to sign
Where are those guys?
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #84
92. Call Them! Call Them! Email Them!
:kick:
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 08:25 AM
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86. John Conyers has blogged about this letter
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 11:27 AM
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88. Letter moving around
http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/136... /


The AfterDowningStreet.org coalition welcomed yesterday’s letter signed by 10 Senators. The coalition described the move as "another major step forward" in learning the truth about the Bush administration’s drive for war.

"The senators’ letter is another major step forward in our demand for the truth," said John Bonifaz, Co-Founder of AfterDowningStreet.org, a coalition of organizations lobbying for an investigation of the build-up to the war.

"Has the President of the United States engaged in a deliberate conspiracy to deceive and mislead the United States Congress and the American people about the basis for going to war against Iraq?" Bonifaz asked. "The United States Constitution demands that we investigate fully this question, wherever it may lead."


Senator Kerry (D - MA) sent a letter yesterday to the Senate Intelligence Committee pressing for answers on the Downing Street Minutes and related documents. The letter, obtained by RawStory.com, is also signed by Senators Johnson, Corzine, Reed, Lautenberg, Boxer, Kennedy, Harkin, Bingaman, and Durbin. The text of the letter is below.

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ohtransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 01:25 PM
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90. Drip, Drip, Drip...
I know it's maddening for some when JK approaches things in a measured, step-by-step fashion but this is the way Congress works. Sometimes all the activity is out of public view.

It's a another nail. It's another step. Perhaps it will encourage other Senators to sign on. If nothing else, it will help get the Senate leadership on the record. (which they will have to defend in 2006.)

Watergate didn't happen overnight, neither did Iran/Contra or BCCI.

I believe our part in this fight is to help him make it a movement. In the end, the groundswell is what will really carry the day. The media can't ignore it and neither can the thugs in charge. The LTTE's, petitions, public opinion surveys, calls to Congress, Governors, and party officials can make a difference.

Millions of Americans are dissatisfied with the lies and plundering of * and his merry band of thugs. Someone has to lead and others (that's us) need to go house-to-house, to correct the fundies and rethugs as they spew talking points, go to the meet-ups, recruit candidates, etc...

This guy is the real deal. He doesn't have to pretend to understand the issues. He gets it. When a Dem steps out to lead, let's not tear him to shreds for daring to go out on a limb and let's not knock him off the limb because we don't like the way he went out there.

Just my two cents...
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 10:03 PM
Response to Reply #90
96. Interesting...
Public opinion is shifting more and more daily. Some of it is buyers remorse, some are finally waking up to reality... we may all be beyond frustration, totally disgusted and anxious as hell, but it's going to take time.

Kerry did not have to do this. No one else stepped up to the plate to do it either. "ohtransplant" is right. He is the real deal and he's been on the frontlines fighting these idiots for years.

We need to keep the pressure on. We need to let our voices be heard and we need to stand by Kerry and the others who signed that letter and demand that others do the same.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #90
97. I agree...
Edited on Sat Jun-25-05 10:58 PM by YvonneCa
...and I think we should let Kerry know we support him. Here's my e-mail:

Senator Kerry,
Thank you for following up on Part 2 of the Senate Intelligence Committee's report on the intelligence failures of September 11th and concerns raised by the Downing Street Memo. Senator Kerry, if you hadn't done this, I don't think anyone else would have had the political clout to take such action, and it was critical action to take to protect the security of our country. I hope, in the weeks to come, ALL other Democratic Senators and maybe even a few Republicans will sign on to your letter to the Intelligence Committee. I also watched your speech on the Senate floor in response to Karl Rove's outrageous remarks. I wish the media would broadcast it to the world! Yours were words that have long needed to be said. As a vacationing teacher this summer (that means short on funds), I will continue to donate what I can to support your continued actions to hold this administration accountable for its actions.
:patriot:
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 11:20 PM
Response to Reply #97
98. Awesome!
Would like to see more of those here!
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Chokey Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 12:24 AM
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99. Snowball effect
This will end up impeaching Bush, mark my words.
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 12:31 AM
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100. Marking right here!
Posted by Chokey: "This will end up impeaching Bush, mark my words."
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ohtransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 01:19 AM
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101. "Officially" marked
:evilgrin:

Wecome BTW
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pox americana Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 02:00 PM
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91. where are Chuck and Hillary
Really, they need to get with the program. I think I'll send them a little note. Thanks to another poster for reminding me.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 09:29 PM
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93. Where's Joe Biden and Obama when you need them??!!!
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 10:21 AM
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104. Tried to email Obama
And got an error on the web form. Did this happen to anybody else?
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 09:30 PM
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94. And Hillary wouldn't sign it either - politics is a scummy game!
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