Who's Running The Most Negative Campaign?

[rucky]

[quinnox]

1. Even though Gep is my second choice, I will

admit he is running the most negative campaign lately.

[Zynx]

2. Lieberman

He is running the ultimate hatchet job campaign.

[mikehiggins]

5. It seems like it doesn't matter who he talks about

he seems to have something bad to say.

What's wit dat, anyway?

[citizen snips]

7. I agree.

[Faygo Kid]

3. Oh, you mean which Dem. . .

Gee, you haven't seen a negative campaign, until you look at what Bush and Rove (remember them?) are planning for us. Should have been more specific here.

[rucky]

4. A DU Poll that Lieberman may win?!

is this a first?

[Melodybe]

6. For any one that votes Dean, your know that is a lie!

Fuck the established Dems, they are no better than the Republicans! They handed Bush this country on a fucking platter and they deserve EVERY critical word that they have gotten. This poll is BS and it is nothing but devisive! Why not say who is running the most positive campaign? This poll doesn't help the democrats at all. Divide and conquer just like Uncle Karl wants you to do.

[FightinNewDem]

15. I've got a question, then.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Dean is the Chosen One, descending from on high to bring political salvation to we mere mortals...

Let me ask you, which candidate:

1. Allowed his supporters to heckle opponents at party events?

2. Held a fundraiser where religious slurs were aimed at another Democratic candidate?

3. Lied about another Democratic candidate's position on the war in Iraq?

4. Repeatedly questioned other Democratic candidate's party loyalty by referring to them as "Bush Lite"?

5. Attempted to sabotage the campaign of a Democratic candidate in Manchester's city elections because he endorsed a Democrat other than him?

Hmmm?

[Melodybe]

24. Ok,

1) I do believe that I heard plenty of Kerry's people heckling at the JJ Dinner. Plus one of Dean's supporters has been beaten up by some other candidate's people and Geppy's aide got in trouble for THREATENING unions leaders that supported Dean.

2) What the hell are you talking about b/c if it was the comedy fundraiser with David Cross then I have no problem with that since I like his humor and b/c Dean saw that it could look bad, wanted no part of it, and LEFT.

3) Which candidate are you referring to cause if it is Edwards, Lieberman, Geppy, or Kerry they weren't lies.

4) I refer to them as bush lite b/c they did nothing while the GOP completely took over Washington. They didn't say a damn thing about how badly Bu$h was screwing the American people until Dean did. So yeah, even I question their motives for going along with the tax cuts and the war. They thought that they were suppose to vote with the repubs b/c it made them look good and they wanted to get re-elected so truth is they acted BU$H LITE b/c they thought it would help them politically. The "Bush Lite" comment fits every one but DK, CMB, AS, WC, and HD.

5) I haven't read anything like that and don't know enough about either candidate that ran in Manchester's elections to make an informed opinion. To be honest I kind of think you are pulling that one outta your ass.

In response to you saying "Dean is the chosen one" all I can say is don't talk to me like I have not researched my candidate. I don't expect Dean to be the next messiah, but I do like his politics and his record. I think that he has a lot to offer and would be a great president. Your trying to pin me down as some brainwashed follower of Dean is an insult that I don't appreciate or deserve. I HONESTLY think that Dean is the best candidate to stomp W into the fucking dirt, with Clark running a very close second. I would encourage you to quit doing Rove's dirty work for him, we are all in this together and acting like children doesn't get a fucking thing accomplished.

[rucky]

26. You should use the Rove comparisons a bit more sparingly

they kind of lose their effect after awhile. Especially when you begin a rant on Democratic unity with "fuck the establishment Dems".

[Melodybe]

29. You are right, egg meet face

I'm sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings, but I have been angry with the establishment Dems for a LONG time. From the 2000 election till now I personally feel like they have done nothing but hurt the party. They are the reason I voted Green in the last election, my state went repub not matter what I did, so I gladly supported a third party.

I like Dean b/c for the first time in a long time I feel like we have a candidate that will work hard for ALL Americans. I think that Dean's criticisms have been largely unwarranted and I get angry when I feel like people are unfairly attacking him. It is VERY hard for me to sensor myself when it comes to people like Miller, Lieberman, and Daschle, they haven't done anything to fight what has been happening in Washington. We do need democratic unity, but my left over anger still finds its way into my posts. I am trying to let go. But I will not apologize for defending Dean and I will staunchly support him until the primaries are over.

I like the Rove comment b/c it is true and will continue using until next november!

You are correct though, I let my anger get the better of me and in all honesty any of the Dems would be better than what we have now.

[maddezmom]

30. sometimes it helps just to get all the anger out

I know how you feel about being angry, I lived in Broward County during the election and subsequent re-count. I'm still pissed, but not at my fellow dems (no matter who they are supporting) or even folks that voted Green in 2000, but bush*. The goal in the end is to bush&co. out of the WH.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

35. Oh c'mon. I've been working on the Clark campaign and Kerry's workers

were the nicest of the bunch. Dean's have been absolutley horrible. I haven't seen so many bullying campaign workers and dirty tricks used since working in Chicago politics (which Trippi worked in and apparently learned a thing or two from).

At the Florida convention the other workers were talking about the Dean people. They tried to "ruin" all of the other candidates rallys. When the other candidates arrived - the Dean people were out there trying to "rain on" their rallys. When we tried to have a Clark rally they were trying to stick their banners in front of our Seniors - trying to intimidate them. Some of the young guys were also trying to "pick fights" with our Seniors. Why they would want to do that - I don't know - I don't think THAT would go over too big - a young guy fighting with a Senior.

They followed behind all of the Kerry people when Kerry came in - trying to harrass Kerry and the Kerry people. In contrast, all of us Clark people cheered for Kerry when he came by our table.

I've heard of the same thing happening in other states. I'm not saying all of the Dean supporters are like this but there sure is a lot of them who are like that...

[kerry-is-my-prez]

36. I'm curious - what do you like about Dean's record?

n/t

[meow mix]

32. yep. dean

thats why,
looking at the dean campaign as a whole (from start to current state) its the most negative ive ever seen.

so i definetly vote dean for this.

[ibegurpard]

8. Come on... I know most of us hate Lieberman but

Gephardt has been running the most negative campaign without a doubt. What do you call one of his top staff officials threatening union representatives with retaliation if they were to endorse Dean?

[Zynx]

Lieberman last week and the week before was abhorent.

The way he attacked Dean viciously following Saddam's capture was horrible. Gephardt has been running a dirty campaign, but Lieberman has been shrill and vicious.

[rucky]

11. There's the distinction - dirty vs. negative

I think Lieberman is running a clean but entirely negative campaign.
Gephardt is running a dirty campaign that's both postitive & negative.

[Robb]

9. Yeah, but

when Lieberman attacks, he gets a lot more press than Gephardt. Especially on Fox, where "when ______ attack" is a common theme. :)

[beyurslf]

10. Lieberman campaigns on nothing but attacks against those in front

of him.

[dave29]

12. You should add

Bush

;)

[rucky]

20. I don't want to see * win anything - even a DU poll.

;)

[imhotep]

13. Kerry and Lieberman

have both ran on nothing but Negatives.
All the others have at least had something positive to say.

[sleipnir]

14. Well, look at their platforms.

They've got nothing to add that other candidates don't already offer.

Lieberman is just feeding the Rove machine

[Zynx]

16. I'm becoming convinced Lieberman is just trying to hurt everyone else.

He's angry the nomination hasn't been given to him and now he is trying to drag down everyone else.

[FightinNewDem]

31. That's hogwash...

...and you know it!

Lieberman tax fairness proposal:
http://www.joe2004.com/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=6056

Lieberman Service Members Bill of Rights:
http://www.joe2004.com/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=6206

Lieberman on child care affordability and accessibility:
http://www.joe2004.com/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=6336

Lieberman plan for energy independence:
http://www.joe2004.com/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5217

Lieberman plan to revitalize the manufacturing sector:
http://www.joe2004.com/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5452

Lieberman "Agenda for Economic Prosperity":
http://www.joe2004.com/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5129

Lieberman Climate Stewardship Act:
http://www.joe2004.com/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5135

Lieberman on Americans with disabilities:
http://www.joe2004.com/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=6042

Lieberman "American Center for Cures" proposal:
http://www.joe2004.com/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5279

Lieberman plan to grow the innovation economy:
http://www.joe2004.com/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5295

Lieberman plan for fighting poverty:
http://www.joe2004.com/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5361

Lieberman College Opportunity Plan:
http://www.joe2004.com/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=6120

Lieberman immigration reform plan:
http://www.joe2004.com/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5763

Lieberman health care plan:
http://www.joe2004.com/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5768

Lieberman on helping small business:
http://www.joe2004.com/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5768

[zulchzulu]

47. Maybe Lieberman, but not Kerry

Kerry has been as positive as one can be against someone like Dean who has been distorting both his record and the others campaigning.

Frankly though, Dean's campaign has been designed around being negative on just about everything.

[sandnsea]

17. Dean started with a lie

His big push from the February winter meeting, "Why are our Democratic candidates supporting Bush's unilateral war"... a lie, Edwards made him retract it. And the lies have snowballed from there. The bulk of his platform are federal programs passed by the Bush lite cockroaches he attacks. Definitely the most negative campaign.

[5thGenDemocrat]

21. Former Vermont governor Howard Dean MD sent me a brochure today

In it, it says (quote) "ONLY DEAN OPPOSED THE WAR FROM THE START," before mentioning, three paragraphs into the article "Howard Dean is the only major Democratic candidate for President who opposed the war from the start..."
Sorry, Dennis Kucinich. Former Vermont governor and leading Democratic candidate for President, Howard Dean MD, has deigned that you are NOT a major Democratic candidate. You might be closer to the Oval Office than all but eight other Democrats in the US -- but you are not "major."
John
Former Vermont governor and leading Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean MD has spoken. That is all.

[sleipnir]

27. When you're only polling at 1%, that's an indication that you're not Major

Sorry, I really do like Kucinich, but he's not a Major candidate and it's true. I don't think I've ever seen a poll where he's above 3% and he often trails CMB...

LaRouche, then by your standards, should also be considered a Major candidate.

[sandnsea]

28. Not really the point

Howard Dean ran an ad saying he was "the only candidate"... It clearly wasn't true and Dennis called him on it. Instead of doing the decent thing and apologizing or retracting, he adds this little "major" to the spiel. Kind of like when Bush said combat operations were over, then added "major" to cover his ass later.

[5thGenDemocrat]

39. That's exactly my point

The headline said "ONLY DEAN OPPOSED THE WAR FROM THE START," and then, three paragraphs later, qualifies the statement. It's a damned lie, it's sleazy, it backstabs Dennis Kucinich -- in short, it's just what I expect from former Vermont governor and leading Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean MD.
I say if he's one of nine candidates running for the Democratic nomination, Kucinich IS a major candidate.
John
Or are you saying that former Vermont governor and leading Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean MD is the lone arbiter of what constitutes "major"? He (and you) may think he is but, thankfully, about 75 percent of all Dems don't agree.

[maddezmom]

18. Lieberman

without a doubt.

[Gringo]

19. I clicked Lieberman, but the anwer is Bush

There's nothing more "negative" than exploiting the deaths of thousands for PR after your own failure got them killed. There's nothing more "negative" than shredding whole sections of the constitution in a massive power grab as your loyal puppy press grins obediently. There's nothing more negative than killing hundreds of soldiers in fake wars for profit & political gain.

DEFINITELY Bush. Lieberman is nothing but a Bush wannabe.

[0rganism]

22. rucky, you left out a very important candidate we're sure to see more of

You know who it is.

You know it's got nearly $300 million to spend on ads, and a lapdog media ready to suck its teat and smear Democrats at will.

Fear it or Smash it.

[Name removed]

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[IndianaGreen]

25. I think the Osama ad that some Gephardt supporters ran

took the cake for the sleaziest ad since Willie Horton.

Not even Lieberman has ever gone as low as saying that to oppose Bush's war is to support terrorism!

[Kathleen04]

33. Lieberman

Hands down, he talks about Dean more than he talks about himself.

[DemDogs]

34. Who voted Edwards? That's ridiculous (n/t)

[arewethereyet]

40. I think it was G.Bush

still smarting over the capture of Hussein statement.

[Cheswick2.0]

44. yes it is

Edwards is running a psotive campaign. It is too bad he is not getting more credit for it.

[arewethereyet]

46. his time is coming, people DO see

and it WILL matter

[AngryAmish]

37. LaRouche?

[Monte Carlo]

38. I know that Kerry spoke out against Bush early after 9/11, so there.

... earlier, if I remember correctly, when Dean was barely a blip on the radar screen. Kerry publically voiced substantive criticisms about Bush's handling of the war in Afganistan and his destructive foreign policy early on, before other prominent Democrats, before Lieberman, before Gephardt, before Edwards and others. Tom DeLay took a shot at him about his patriotism, Kerry shot back.

[arewethereyet]

41. pissed about everything all the time, has to be Dr Dean

and then there are the barbs flying everywhere too.

[poskonig]

42. Lieberman attacks everyone.

Looking at the poll, why does "Bushlite" sting so much? That's about the worst that has come out of Dean's mouth; he has rarely singled individual people out by name.

[mot78]

43. Lieberman by far

he's the most divisive of the 9 candidates. He's doing more harm to our party than good.

[eileen_d]

45. It has GOT to be Lieberman.

The man thrives on negativity towards his fellow candidates. He never misses an opportunity to smack one or the other around (but mostly his target appears to be Dean)