Fox: "Iraq: Bush Myths vs. Reality" Yes, you heard me. FOX.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160556,00.html

Myth: Saddam Hussein was a part of the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States and possessed weapons of mass destruction.

Reality: Former Secretary of State Colin Powell (search), in one of his last interviews before leaving office, made it clear that Saddam was not involved in Sept. 11. Additionally, we thoroughly searched Iraq for weapons of mass destruction and could not find any. The administration is now justifying our involvement in Iraq on the basis of nation-building (democratization) — something President Bush derided during the 2000 campaign.

Myth: Democrats have not supported the War on Terror.

Reality: Democrats first proposed the new Department of Homeland Security and strongly supported our efforts against terrorists in Afghanistan, where Usama bin Laden was believed to be hiding after Sept. 11. A significant number of Democrats voted to authorize force against Saddam, and Democrats have overwhelmingly voted to fund our efforts in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Zhade]

1. WTF?

Is this web-only?

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

2. I don't know...it's on their Web Site, and I don't watch Fox on TV. n/t

[minnesotaDFLer]

3. wow

how the hell did this happen?

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

5. I'm wondering if DU is even going to notice this...

...we'll see. This isn't big, it's HUGE.

:evilgrin:

[Zhade]

7. Yeah, are they going to burn him or something?

I mean, WTF?

[Imagevision]

56. FOX news must be experiencing some serious numbers drop

[Zhade]

65. Well, there was a story a few weeks back about a 50% drop in 6 months.

That's pretty astounding in the industry (I work in broadcasting). I recall being shocked at the time. HAPPILY shocked.

[mrdmk]

71. What are the numbers of the other TV news i.e. CNN, MSNBC...

Also TV numbers in general?

[DesEtoiles]

4. Huh?

[BattyDem]

6. We have officially crossed over into The Twilight Zone!

:crazy:

[dxstone]

41. We've been in the Twilight Zone for years...

...and now we're pushing the very Outer Limits!

"There is something wrong with your tv set. Do not attempt to adjust your set or change the channel... whatever the hell IS wrong, I LIKE IT!"

[Nothing Without Hope]

64. The Twilight Zone AND Outer Limits in the same post! And NO WONDER!

But I won't be totally blown away until I see one of the Fox talking heads clearly and distinctly say these things ON AIR.

I do think The Powers That Be are getting ready to move their support to a more stable tool - based on lionizing TV media coverage and his recent power moves in the Senate, I think it will be John McCain. Watch for more "Mr Clean comes to DC" coverage.

He will be hard to defeat.

[dxstone]

82. TZ & OL: The two absolute faves of my childhood!

I agree with your comments; it's probably just the usual thrown bone... but I often run on NOTHING but fumes and hope...
Mr Clean! HA! That's good...
One timid doughboy after another... how did Clinton EVER get into office???



And when is he EVER coming back?
I miss him... :cry:
d

"He's like royalty in exile..."
--anonymous pool-player, speaking about The Motorcycle Boy in RumbleFish

[Raksha]

8. Murdoch is starting to see BushCo as a liability? n/t

[IndianaGreen]

66. It was a Murdoch newspaper that published the DSM memos

Something is afoot...

[Burried News]

9. Bush has had it. He's no longer useful. Nothing personal ...

Business is business. Back of the line George. Give someone else a chance to work for the Dark Side.

[FreedomAngel82]

15. I think that's it too

Someone posted not too long ago that Murdoch was a capitalist. Only about 20% of the country likes Bush and his plans now days. Also someone posted a quote from Murdoch saying he wanted revenge on Bush. :shrug: Last night on Malloy someone called in talking about how Murdoch's "Times" paper in London printed the British minutes documents and they suggested how Murdoch hated Tony and was getting back at him because Tony's party lost a lot of seats in their last election (the perfect timing). Don't forget Fox recently added on General Clark as a pundint and isn't Murdoch working with Hillary?

[IndyOp]

10. Will DU Notice? Recommend it people! (I did.)

Are we absolutely certain that this isn't some sort a mirror site that appears only to liberals?

:kick:

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

16. For it to appear without a "rebuttal" by Hannity or some other brown shirt

...is nothing short of AMAZING.

:toast:

[NightOwwl]

31. "mirror site that appears only to liberals"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[IndyOp]

11. OMG - Myth: Democrats have not supported the War on Terror.

Reality: Democrats first proposed the new Department of Homeland Security and strongly supported our efforts against terrorists in Afghanistan, where Usama bin Laden was believed to be hiding after Sept. 11. A significant number of Democrats voted to authorize force against Saddam, and Democrats have overwhelmingly voted to fund our efforts in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

:hurts:

Edit: I learned today that one can't put HTML code in the Subject line.

[stray cat]

12. Its a good opinion piece by Martin Frost

One of the prior DNC Chair candidates

[Pirate Smile]

14. That explains it. It is an opinion piece by a Dem. Here is another one

"Myth: We did not need a large occupying force after initial combat. Vice President Dick Cheney (search) said on NBC's "Meet the Press" in March of 2003 that it was inaccurate to say that we would need several hundred thousand troops in Iraq after military operations ceased. "I think that's an overstatement," he said.


Reality: Former Army Chief of Staff Eric Shinseki had told Congress that we would need a force of at least 200,000 to occupy Iraq. Gen. Shinseki, who had been responsible for our successful peacekeeping effort in Bosnia, was correct. By not committing enough troops to Iraq, we were unable to seal the borders and this made it possible for foreign terrorists to enter the country and help launch the current waves of attacks against our military."

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

13. Hmmm.... interesting...

Perhaps they are trying to go "legit" as they see the shrubco ship sinking?

Too late though.

[Hepburn]

17. This is foreshadowing of....

...something fucking HUGE! No way would Faux dessert their neocon poster boy, the chimpster UNLESS there was something HORRIBLE about to break. Wow!!

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

20. It's a foreshadowing of SOMETHING...

...the only time this kind of thing EVER shows up on Fox, be it the Web or TV, is when it's presented by a milquetoast like Alan Colmes and then immediately smacked down by a thug like Sean Hannity.

Fox is feathering its nest, testing the waters, in preparation for SOMETHING.

[Raksha]

22. I think we can make an educated guess about the one...

...the new Abu Ghraib pictures and videos, maybe?

[Tesla]

25. I think they are teasing us.....

what's the date,.... Hum...Not,April,1st.

OK REALITY CHECK!!!

Call the Networks!!!

[oxbow]

18. bullshit

Fox always does this. They put propaganda on their news channel and the real news on their website. It's because they know that if you use the net to get your news, you already know enough to not fall for their bullshit. They just wanna have their cake and eat it too, and I ain't buyin.

[johnaries]

19. Did you see the link on that page to this story?

President's Stubbornness Delays Social Security Solution.

Written by the same person, Martin Frost - a former Dem Congressman.

I've several several posts lately about Fox reports that are very un-Fox-like. One post claimed that Murdoch is wanting to expand his sattelite business into other countries where a pro-Bush stance won't fly. Could we see Fox News transform into a Liberal Network?

I think I'll zip over to newshounds.us and see what they're saying.

[CrispyQ]

36. It's not impossible.

Greenbacks are the only thing he listens to.

[tsuki]

46. He wants to expand in Canada.

[iconoclastic cat]

69. I'd rather have him listen to money than BattleTech Jeebus!

[whatever4]

21. The news about news is good news? That's not right

Not "right" at all. omfg. Wow.

Maybe it's a test ballon on their part, to see if they can even get away with telling the truth, see if it flys, see if it has a market. Or, I'm wondering who they might be testing, us, or the Admin?

Lets see how long it stays on the site.

[IndyOp]

23. How 'bout thanking Howard -

Dean said: "My view is that Fox News is a propaganda outlet of the Republican Party and that I don't comment on Fox News."

It doesn't always take an infantry to get a bully to back down...

Email the DNC:
<http://www.democrats.org/contact/>

Contribute (put an $0.01 on the end to show it is in support of Dean):
<https://www.democrats.org/support/index.html?dsc=NETA248>

:kick:

[I Have A Dream]

52. Good point. It's very possible... n/t

[AuntiBush]

24. Fox & MSNBC Do Real Justice On the Web. But NADA on the TUBE

Where most Americans are glued. When they "majorly" start speaking the same on their lamestream media television networks, then I'll think of turing back in. Till then, they can kiss my proud, liberal democratic butt ta-ta.

Strange how MSNBC & FOX speak more candidly online, yet on the tube "nothing." Might that be because the "reality-based Dem's" are more Internet suavy, vs. Repuke's whom are not? Just a thought.

[madeline_con]

29. "Fox & MSNBC ...

Do Real Justice On the Web. But NADA on the TUBE"

There's still a lot of that, "Where'd you gat THAT information, the internet?" Gosh, it MUST be true, it's on TV. :sarcasm:

[AuntiBush]

34. Exactly! Hear it from Mostly the Elderly.

They are "conditioned" to believe this. Yet the call me to get the real scope. I tell them, and again they automatically say to me hands-down, "I didn't see it on TV/Paper."

[wyldwolf]

26. Anyone else notice how FOX uses "Usama" and not "Osama?"

I recall a thread here several years ago on this, but don't recall the meat of it.

[AntiCoup2K4]

27. "Usama" has always been the official CIA spelling of Bin Laden's name

...so FAUX went with that as the "official" version.

Reality is that, given the translation from Arabic to English, a lot of names from that part of the world don't have one "correct" spelling. The dictator of Libya, for example, has been called "Khaddafi", "Qaddafi", and "Ghadafi", among other variations.

[Ishoutandscream2]

28. Jesus, Joseph, and Mary Lou Retton!!

[AntiCoup2K4]

30. After reading the article, I'm not all that surprised FAUX ran it at all..

It's just an extension of what FAUX does every time they put Biden, Lieberman, or Richardson in front of their cameras, push the DLC viewpoint as the "voice of the Democratic party".

Now I don't entirely disagree with everything Frost says, but he makes several statements in there which are pure Puke-lite, DLC crapola:

"A significant number of Democrats voted to authorize force against Saddam, and Democrats have overwhelmingly voted to fund our efforts in both Iraq"

Sorry, but NOBODY should be proud of voting to authorize the Chimp's LIE at this point.

"There is no question that Saddam was a tyrant and that the Middle East is better off with him no longer in power. Also, a democratic Iraq could have a real impact on the future of the entire Middle East."

Complete PNAC Likudist horseshit. While Saddam Hussein may have been a vile human being, only a liar or an idiot could say the Middle East is better off now than it was before the invasion.

"We will stay the course in Iraq if the country is convinced that Bush has a realistic plan for the future."

Uh...what?? Who is the "WE" here, Marty?? Stay the course in Iraq?? Until when? Until we beat the Vietnam death toll? Until Ariel Sharon says so? Until all the oil is pumped dry (or burned out, as the case may be)

This fucker Frost doesn't speak for us. Thank God he never had a real shot at the DNC chair.

[Griffy]

32. Yup.. they smell the money in the shitstorm bush is reaping soon!

They sense the tide turning and are begining to position to cash in.. I mean seriously.. WHEN we impeach bush, and if fox wont cover it.. they are dead! Its bizzness dubya! The dems spine is growing.. DSM is gaining recognition and Dean is talking truth and idears (hehe).

.. we shall see.. they can tell truth or die out..

[rocktivity]

33. Have their ratings gotten SO bad

that they have to get--choke--LIBERALS to watch???

:crazy:
rocknation

[deadparrot]

35. Murdoch knows what falling viewership+falling approval ratings mean...nt

[acmejack]

38. That's right, less ad revenue!

It's all about the sacred market share. You think people aren'yt noticing what AAR is doing? Listen to the advertisements there, even Mallwart's doing it!

[Pawel K]

37. OMG! Its on the front page of Fox News too!

[Contrary1]

39. It's just a doggie biscuit being thrown to us "Libs".

Yesterday, Faux Snooz was referring to Rove's remarks as "quips".

[kodi]

40. Faux knows reality is marginalizing it as a news source

it is an attempt to put lipstick on a pig.

there are just too many other news sources that are presenting documented facts antithetical to the spin Faux is spewing out for them to be taken seriously anymore.

the dramatic drop off in viewers for their flagship commentary programs such as O'Reilly and Hannity is evidence of a sea change in viwer attitudes towards the way Faux presents current events.

the cognitive dissonance is producing an affect of shock and awe in traditional Faux viewers who are beginning to realize that Faux is just not being honest in its portrayal of the news.

presentations like the original posted link is an attempt to rectify this

[dxstone]

43. Yeah, having now read more on this, I tend to agree...

But it's still nice to see even Faux having to take a more 'fair and balanced' approach; I believe we're beginning to to see a real sea-change on the part of average Americans' attitudes, and a concomitant shift by these a-holes in order to realign themselves to this now-undeniable (and apparently unstoppable) change...
Let's hope so, huh?
:toast:
d

[schrodingers_cat]

45. Yep!

I agree completely - I was channel surfing past it a couple of days ago, and watched long enough to hear someone responding to Rove's comments - imagine my shock when they actually made a atrong defense for the democrats!!!!!:wow:
I wonder if it caused the commentator, er, "newscaster", actual physical pain to make those points.

[berni_mccoy]

42. This is simply a case of INCREDIBLY LOW RATINGS

And they are trying to PANDER to the Democratic base of Americans who NEVER watch their show... simple shock us into watching for a QUICK RATINGS BOOST.

[dxstone]

44. Nah, that wouldn't work anyway...

I think they're beginning to see that no matter HOW MUCH lipstick they apply to THIS pig, it just ain't lookin' very lovely AT ALL...

[madeline_con]

50. That sounds reasonable...

especially after the earlier mention here that their s#it's getting weak, and theire ratings have dropped.

Now, for the next step, do they switch back to their usual bull once everyone tunes in, to sway the gullible and undecided?

[Imagevision]

57. you nailed it!!

[dmr]

47. They're just covering their butts

They know they preach propaganda. They know they are a tool for the White House.

They also know we know they know.

When we call them on their propaganda, they can now say they do report the truth.

I'd prefer the idea that they are turning a new leaf, but I don't think so.

[rndmprsn]

48. NPR today...

had a section that was talking about how the clinton's have been courting mr murdoch for the past year or so...seems to me his finger is in the wind and is realizing that bushco's days are numbered and his own ratings are WAY down...finger in the wind indeed.

the show basically said that murdoch's print publications have all but called a truce on hillary (they have had a couple recent meetings) and fox news headed by roger ailes is going to be more "fair and balanced" than they ever have.

so it sounds like this is some pay-off for big-dog's cozying up?

[K8-EEE]

49. Their Strategy Is, Once In Awhile, Whisper The Truth....

Just like Bushco, every Repuke I know was convinced Iraq would be a cakewalk, over in a matter of weeks with few US casualties and the oil would pay for it.

Because they went out of their way to give that impression, then once in awhile they'd say something like, "of course, it won't be easy..." Then later the bastards say, "we SAID it would be HARD WORK..."

Only none of the Bushes, Cheneys, Halliburton or Oil Co executive's families are doing any of the "hard work."

Same here -- every time they are accused of being one sided they can use this obscure webpage as "defense" even while they keep the propaganda on TV going 24/7.

If they did a prime time show featuring these facts, THEN....THEN I would be surprised.

[librechik]

51. I'm obviously going to book my next ski trip in Hell

this is a first--the truth on Fox???

[Festivito]

53. Heavier smoke. No DSM, no Sibel Edmonds.

Things are getting close. FOX makes itself a little more left so viewers continue to think the TRUTH LIES IN THE MIDDLE ... which IT DOESN'T.

With these tidbits their coddled listeners will be FULL of news and not be ready for more until DSM and Sibel are OLD NEWS. They may even mistake the DSM as pointing to well, er, ah, something, maybe that Colin Powell statement about, er, Iraq and, ah, 9/11.

BushCONs are taking dives. Rove, FOX, making EGREGIOUS statements that will amount to nothing, but, will cloud the evening news with time wasting news stories.

[tavalon]

54. The web site occasionally does this weird shit

Trust me, it doesn't make it on to the TV.

[davepc]

55. They're going to have to try harder to make this "Americas" war instead

of "George Bush's" war.

Bastards are scared.

[LightningFlash]

58. Hahahaha.....The Faux News propaganda network!

Being forced to report the truth!!!! It's so hilarious to watch.

:rofl: :rofl: :mad:
Force them out in the open and pile it on.....Pile it on!!!!

http://www.usalone.com/index.htm

[high density]

59. Op-Ed piece ("Views") by Martin Frost...

In my opinion it's nothing different than having Paul Krugman write a column in the NY Times.

[Senior citizen]

60. The wingnut newspaper here in San Diego

has recently been running front page stories attacking a crooked wingnut politician.

FAUX obviously isn't the only one looking at ratings, circulation, and poll numbers.

I've been waiting a long time for the rats to start leaving the sinking ship, and I hope this is what's happening.

On edit: But just because they leave a sinking ship, doesn't mean that they're not still rats.

On 2nd edit: So I click the link to see the story and on top there's a box about it that says, "it's time the public new (sic) the reality behind White House myths." Not only are they still rats, they're still not journalists. :rofl:

[xxqqqzme]

67. I like that - yes, they remain

HUGE nasty, mean, ugly rat(bastard)s!

[holboz]

61. Did someone hack the Faux site and put this up?

If so, good on them. This is shocking. It almost makes me think some massive nuclear bomb is en route to hit this country and Faux is attempting to repent and come clean before The End happens.

[NeoTraitors]

62. After 5 years of this shithead pResident

FoxNews has finally figured out that you can't polish a turd.

[RandomKoolzip]

63. Don't get your hopes up.

I've been on DU for two years now and have seen more than a few of these "WTF?!!" moments re: Faux/Newsmax, etc.: an article without a conservative slant, or meant to portray liberals in a somewhat positive light....

What they're doing is being "fair and balanced." Get it? They can point to reports like these, on Saturday nights when no one's watching, to deflect criticism for being too conservative. It happens with regularity. This is their idea of "objectivity."

There has been no great sea change at Fox. Everybody calm down.

[snowbear]

68. But if everyone here responded to the author with the link they provide..

And they see that =wow= people out there like this stuff.. it may just have a positive effect!

Try it. There's an easy link to share your thoughts with the author right under the story ~ :bounce:

[Senior citizen]

70. Excellent idea. Here's the letter I sent:

Thank you for the article, "Bush Myths vs. Reality."

I'm a Democrat, and while we may not control the White House, the Congress, the courts, or the media, we are still a numerical majority in this country. Gore did, after all, win the popular vote. (And according to the exit polls, Kerry did also.)

After all these years of corporate right-wing media lies, I doubt if I'll ever trust the mainstream media again, but it is nice to see a glimmer of truth amidst the garbage. While many people are interested in the fate of the missing girl in Aruba or how Michael Jackson's trial ended, the Downing Street dossier is much more important to our country's future, and it got, according to research done by Arianna Huffington, anywhere from zero to 3% of the news coverage.

I'm 65 years old, I was born in this country, and I should not have to turn to alternative media or shortwave broadcasts from the free world for my news. When the right bought up the media, I, like any freedom-loving person in a totalitarian country, bought a shortwave radio and began listening to the BBC, Canada, Australia, and other countries for my news. For the past 15 years I've been waiting for the FBI to knock on my door and confiscate my radio so I wouldn't be able to hear the truth. I hope the nightmare is ending now.

Respectfully,

[Adelante]

73. That's a great idea

I have to go back to sleep, but I will write something tomorrow.

Thanks :thumbsup:

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

74. Excellent idea...

...because no matter how passionate a writer is about their subject matter, they always want to know that they're reaching an audience. This one deserves some feedback.

:toast:

[ClarkUSA]

78. Done. Great idea.

We all should encourage this development.

I am certain that Murdoch is seeing the sense/cents in going BLUE.

When Wes Clark is on commenting about Bush's miserable wars, he'll add nails to the GOP coffin everytime.

[Hissyspit]

83. Yeah, anyway, for Rupert Murdoch it is always about MONEY nt

[Adelante]

72. This happened in February

Ex-Congressman Frost signs on with Fox News Channel

DALLAS Former Congressman Martin Frost of Dallas has signed a deal to be a political commentator for the Fox News Channel.
Frost lost his congressional seat in November after redistricting engineered by Majority Leader Tom DeLay forced him into a race with G-O-P Congressman Pete Sessions.

Frost served 26 years in Congress.

The Texan recently dropped out of the race for Democratic national chairman after failing to win the support of organized labor. Howard Dean won the chairmanship last week.

Frost served as chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, which focuses on re-electing House members, after the 1994 Republican landslide.

Copyright 2005 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

http://www.kvia.com/Global/story.asp?s=2953317

There was a DU thread on it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1598436

Not terribly well received on DU at the time. I'm glad to see Martin's out there. He's a good Democrat.

[BR_Parkway]

75. morning kick

[Totally Committed]

76. Maybe the worm is turning over at FOX?

Maybe they are finally seeing the writing on the wall: The pendulum is about to swing back to the Left, and they do not want to be the odd-ones out?

Could be.

TC

[strizi64]

77. the tide isn't turning, it has already..... n/t

.

[kliljedahl]

79. Na Na Na Na Na....

Cue the Twilight Zone theme. I can't watch Faux, is it being reported there or only online?


Keith’s Barbeque Central

[Mr_Spock]

I'm in shock here!

WTF is goping on? (I typo'd "going" and thought it was appropriate :D )

[Mr_Spock]

80. I'm in shock here!

WTF is goping on? (I typo'd "going" and thought it was appropriate :D )

[knowbody0]

81. kick

[sakabatou]

84. I bet the whole news team was grumbling and yelling at themselves...

... for bringing up the truth. It must be so hard for them. ;)