Jeeez..... NOOO.... Vilsack will be head of the DLC....

Skidmore

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Tue Jun-28-05 06:45 AM
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Jeeez..... NOOO.... Vilsack will be head of the DLC....

just announced by Vaughn Ververs on WJ.

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wakeme2008

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Tue Jun-28-05 06:50 AM
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1. do not know Vilsack tell me more about them. nt

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Dr.Phool

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Tue Jun-28-05 06:52 AM
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3. Governor of Iowa

Was on the short list for Kerry's VP nominee.

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KlatooBNikto

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Tue Jun-28-05 06:55 AM
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6. I remember that it was in Iowa that Howard Dean's fortunes turned.

Edited on Tue Jun-28-05 06:55 AM by KlatooBNikto

Was there a concerted effort by the DLC to deny Howard Dean the nomination and install its favorite son, Kerry?And was Vilsack recruited for the task?

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Mass

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Tue Jun-28-05 10:51 AM
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13. Kerry the DLC favorite son

You must be dreaming. They were supporting Lieberman and then Edwards. They only supported Kerry as a last resort against Dean.

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FightinNewDem

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Tue Jun-28-05 10:56 AM
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15. Let's clear this up

The DLC as an organization can not and does not support individual candidates. It is not a PAC, and because of tax code reasons, it can't endorse candidates.

As for the upper-echelon leadership of the DLC, it was spread across the map during the 2004 primary season.

Al From (CEO) supported Liberman.

Bruce Reed (President) supported Edwards.

Will Marshall (director of the think tank) and Ed Kilgore (political director) supported Kerry.

There were also folks active in the group who were with Clark.

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Debi

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Tue Jun-28-05 10:59 AM
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16. And none supported Howard Dean - From wrote several articles

in the DLC newsletter with that regard that the MSM was more than willing to pick up and run with (as if it were NEWS).

Maybe they cannot endorse a certain candidate, but they can announce who they do not like and who they would encourage their members not to like.

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FightinNewDem

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Tue Jun-28-05 11:21 AM
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26. Then let's use your reasoning

DU, Kos and MoveOn are all evil, anti-Democratic orgainizations. After all, they all encouraged their folks to oppose Lieberman, Gephardt and Kerry.

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Debi

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Tue Jun-28-05 11:40 AM
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29. I don't recall ever saying the DLC was anti-Democrat in my post

But most certainly they were and still are Anti-Dean.

I also believe there was a little more tolerance on DU, Kos (you forgot MyDD) and MoveOn for candidates with more conservative (if not republican) leanings.

Most important (to me) is that all the candidates you listed voted for the IWR and that seems to have been the sore point for many posters on the mentioned sites (except for Lieberman who is such a damn DINO I still don't know why he just doesn't switch over).

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AntiCoup2K4

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Tue Jun-28-05 11:03 AM
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18. Yes and yes

And now From is rewarding him.

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Debi

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Tue Jun-28-05 11:10 AM
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23. Vilsack's wife endorsed Kerry and was rewarded with a speaking roll

at the Democratic Convention.

Or was that a consolation prize for not being selected to be Kerry's #2?

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blm

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Tue Jun-28-05 11:31 AM
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27. From hates Kerry. From never wanted Kerry. From only started hating Dean

after Dean took a sharp turn left for the primary and turned his back on his own years governing as a DLC centrist.

I am amazed that some of you still resort to revising history. Stick to the facts only.

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Totally Committed

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Tue Jun-28-05 07:09 AM
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8. Uh, Kerry is a member of the DLC... (n/t)

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CWebster

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Tue Jun-28-05 06:54 AM
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5. Kerry's bag man.

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Dr.Phool

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Tue Jun-28-05 06:51 AM
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2. Why don't we just send the DLC

Over to the Republican Party, where they belong.

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AntiCoup2K4

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Tue Jun-28-05 11:04 AM
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19. Or to Hell

Either one is fine with me.

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liberal N proud

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Tue Jun-28-05 06:53 AM
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4. I thought the people of Iowa were happy with Vilsack

What happened that changed that?

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Debi

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Tue Jun-28-05 11:01 AM
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17. The choice for seven years has been Vilsack or a republican

there have been times when there really hasn't been a difference, but at least he had a D after his name.

Now that he is not running for reelection there is a choice, I for one want a Democrat as my Governor.

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Totally Committed

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Tue Jun-28-05 07:07 AM
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7. Vilsak...

"head of the DLC"?

Why would anyone want to head up the DLC? Can someone a bit more savvy than I am explain to me how this would be a good move for him at this point in his career? I don't get it.

TC

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FightinNewDem

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Tue Jun-28-05 10:42 AM
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9. Because DU is out of step, perhaps?

It's because most Democrats do not share your opinion of the DLC. Outside of the internet fever swamps, most Dems don't buy into the ideological puritanism that is advocated by so many folks at DU, Kos, etc.

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CWebster

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Tue Jun-28-05 10:47 AM
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10. As opposed to "Democrats" who use the Republican model

of ideological purity as being in step?

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FightinNewDem

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Tue Jun-28-05 10:50 AM
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12. Pray tell,

...how does the DLC advocate a Republican model of ideological purity? Specifics, please.

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CWebster

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Tue Jun-28-05 10:53 AM
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14. Sure seems like they spent a whole lot more "fightin" against

those who opposed neo-con policy while encouraging a policy of "no criticizing da prezident".

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FightinNewDem

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Tue Jun-28-05 11:13 AM
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24. More nonsense

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CWebster

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Tue Jun-28-05 11:42 AM
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30. Shoot, I can provide lists too:

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AntiCoup2K4

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Tue Jun-28-05 11:07 AM
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20. Pro war, Pro corporatism, Pro PNAC/Likud appeasement, etc.

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Debi

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Tue Jun-28-05 11:07 AM
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21. Iowa's Values Fund for one

Taking tax revenues and using them to entice corporations to leave one state and move to Iowa. Plus adding tax abatements and free or reduced price land (and the fact that Iowa is no longer considered an Organized Labor state).

So, who really cares about education, medical care or assistance for the poor when we can give millions away to Wells Fargo or Principal Financial to locate (or remain) in Iowa and hire 200 people at $20,000 a year? And in 5 or 10 years when they have to start paying taxes? Hell, just move to South Dakota where they'll do the same.

Supporting economic development by selling out the poor for corporate greed doesn't seem to be a Democratic principle.

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Roland99

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Tue Jun-28-05 11:32 AM
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28. To clean it up and get it on track and away from the corporate whores?

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Mass

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Tue Jun-28-05 10:48 AM
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11. The head of the DLC is irrelevant

Edited on Tue Jun-28-05 10:48 AM by Mass

as long as From and Reed are the ones who pilot it.

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AntiCoup2K4

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Tue Jun-28-05 11:10 AM
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22. True, to some extent. Because the real story here is being overlooked...

That story being the fact that Evan "my daddy is rolling in his grave" Bayh suddenly no longer wants to be the "chair" of the Republican wing of the Democratic party (DLC).

And the only logical reason for that is that Big Al has given up on the Hillary fantasy and is now positioning a new puppet for 2008. :puke:

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KoKo

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Tue Jun-28-05 11:18 AM
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25. Or, Bayh wants to devote his time to running for Pres?

:shrug:

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ClarkUSA

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Tue Jun-28-05 12:12 PM
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31. Bayh can now start his move to the left in time for the 2008 primaries

He knows he can't do that while he's DLC Chairman, so it's time for him to start putting some distance from his DLC roots so he can focus on a plan to morph into a liberal in time to appeal to the Dem base in time for 2007.

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shance

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Tue Jun-28-05 12:24 PM
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32. LOL! Truly. His great father is indeed rolling in his grave.

Edited on Tue Jun-28-05 12:26 PM by shance

What is up with the junior Mr.Bayh?

(The 'greatness' must be skipping a generation?)

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Edgewater_Joe

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Tue Jun-28-05 12:37 PM
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33. I'm SO Scared - NOT.

Remember, Vilsack was supposed to be the heir apparent to the DNC chair -- but Dean was so superior that Vilsack didn't even bother to run. The fact is Dean's making the actual DNC a juggernaut that will have to answer to the Democratic LOSERS Committee, not the other way around.

In other words, yawn. The very definition of "no big deal."

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