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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 09:13 PM
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Bill Schneider on Aaron Brown.....the CNN poll had about 50%
Edited on Tue Jun-28-05 09:23 PM by Gloria
self-identified as Republicans; 23% Democrats; 27% Independents.
Support for staying in Iraq jumped from 58% to 70% among this group...

But, even a majority of this Republican leaning group doesn't think that the war in Iraq has made us safer from terrorism.

Schneider also commented that of those who said they would watch the speech, only a very few did...

He called it a "moderate success"....But he didn't look like a particularly happy American Enterprise Institute member to me....(I think he's a member of that RW group)
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 09:15 PM
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1. of those 70%
I want them to elist, or have there children enlist immediately

if they believe it is so important, or STFU

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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 09:15 PM
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2. I doubt anything will be reflected in any polls in a few days
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 09:16 PM
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3. He is a member
I saw that and thought 50% puke. That's a representative poll.
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Still_Loves_John Donating Member (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 09:19 PM
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5. To be fair,
he was very upfront about it not being a representative poll, because more Republicans watched the speech, which makes sense really. It may be representative of the group of people who watched the speech, but since apparently no one really watched, that group was not repesentative of the nation.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 09:33 PM
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9. They shouldn't even report it
It just seems to lower CNNs credibilty in the eyes
of anyone who can do the simple arithmatic.
It's a statistically flawed and insignificant poll
and their reporting on it is just disinformation & noise.
Blah blah blah

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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 09:18 PM
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4. He said the approval numbers were less then Bush usually got for
a State of the Union.

It was not a particularly positive response was the impression I got - no home run.
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 09:23 PM
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6. So we bump the 'pubs 10 %
and drag down the dems 17% (over the conventional 40/40/20 pub/dem/ind breakdown)...27 point shift....if his OWN people backed him he should have gained 13.5 percent regardless of independents....instead he LOST 1.5% amongst his base???The boy IS going down....
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 09:24 PM
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7. 50% republican, 23% Dem???!!! At least its realistic - NOT!!!!!!!
What's the point of a poll like this???

Sheesh - whatever it takes to get a positive response, I guess.

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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 09:29 PM
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8. Schneider is a good poll analyst.
When he sticks to the numbers, he's got good instincts and a good grasp of what the numbers mean. When he gets one step beyond the numbers, he falls apart, though. Like after the 2000 election, when he pointed out that if you take away the black vote, Bush won handily.

What these numbers suggest is that there was very little euphoria after the speech. The strongest effect of a speech will be in the half hour after it, when people only have the speech in their mind. When the commentary kicks in, and people begin to think about what was said, their impression weakens.

In other words, Bush wasted an hour of our lives and accomplished nothing. Which is very bad news for him, because now people will see him as unable to convince them he is right. That's what Carter's downfall was. One reporter asked Carter how come he couldn't make people feel good about their country. Bush is now sliding into that hole.

Write lots of letters to editors. Mention that Iraq had nothing to do with al-Queda, that Bush could not make you feel good about the war, and that he ignored the DSM, implying he has something to hide.
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