Any Vegas odds on who the Plame source is?

[realFedUp]

Any links to bets on this yet?

[tanyev]

1. Don't know about the odds,

but I'm pulling for Bolton. Bol-TON! Bol-TON! Bol-TON! :woohoo:

[Botany]

2. bet ....

Lewis "Scooter" Libby or John Bolton to win, place, or show
and you would be covered.

[realFedUp]

3. yeah, Scooter's been such a behind the scenes presence....

dust for fingerprints.

[Botany]

5. Libby had something to do with it because .....

........ he has hired a criminal defense attorney before he talked to
the grand jury last summer. BTW so did * and Cheney too.

[realFedUp]

7. I hope their costs are higher than just their attorney's fees. nt

[Botany]

12. Ever wonder why he is so set on packing the court w/ his ....

...... judges?

His gang know they are illegal and are working non stop to cover their asses.

[realFedUp]

13. ayup....

can you say fascism?

[Toots]

30. Why? It will be our money they use to pay their legal bills.

I want them imprisoned.

[fob]

15. There's two different bets here.

Who DID it?

Rove 2:3
Libby 2:1
Bolton 3:1

Who will TAKE THE FALL for it?
Bolton 2:3
Libby 3:1
Rove 99999999999999999999999999999999999:1

Rove as the Doer and Troubled-Nominee Bolton as the Fall-guy are the safe bets.

Libby as the Doer and tie it in to him going down for it may be worth a few bucks.

Rove as the fall-guy is the SUCKER BET OF THE CENTURY, I don't care what those notes say, rove's going nowhere.


NOTE: Odds listed above are completely made up by fob and only represent my feel of the situation

[realFedUp]

18. thoughtful odds....

thanks.

[fob]

20. Looking at it again I may have set the rove is fallguy bet too low.

:evilgrin:

[realFedUp]

21. lol

if Rove went to jail, who would dress Bush in the morning?

[Auntie Bush]

32. Gannon?

[realFedUp]

35. I thought he was in charge of undressing...

ok, that was bad.

nevermind :-)

[AndyTiedye]

23. About The Same as the Odds that ** Really Won the Election

Rove 99999999999999999999999999999999999:1 (against Rove going down)

[AGiordino]

4. Would somebody splain to me

Whay 2 Time reporters are taking the fall for this instead of Robert Novak who broke the story in print??:mad: :puke: :mad:

[realFedUp]

6. so many other threads on this...I'm just looking for Vegas boards

on this one. Someone in here must gamble online...

[newscott]

8. I saw on another thread on this site someone speculate

that Novak is probably a CIA asset. :evilgrin:

[Wickerman]

14. well, that defines the px with CIA intelligence in a NUTshell, doesn't it?

[pgh_dem]

17. Maybe, but more likely just a happy canary, singin out loud n proud

We'll see very soon. Time Mag corporate has decided to turn over Cooper's materials:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5109098,00.html

Saw this on www.rawstory.com

My money is on two separate people in collaboration. I think there was someone in Cheney's office (possibly Libby) who leaked/approved the leak, and someone at NSA or State (likely Bolton or a colleague close enough that Bolton would *have* to have known about leak) who dug up Plame's ID and relationship to Wilson.

Cooper's notes will identify the leaker, and if Fitzgerald is worth the nuts his mom gave him, we'll see an indictment (at least perjury) against one or the other of the above, in the interest of getting the one to roll on the other, perhaps illuminate a systemic method of the * admin to politicize its intel resources to slime enemies.

(Edit to apologize: No, I'm not aware of any Vegas odds...however, can't trust them...they thought Kerry was the 2:1 favorite for winning on Nov 2, 2004...;)

[AndyTiedye]

24. Only 2:1? Yeah, that's way too low

(Edit to apologize: No, I'm not aware of any Vegas odds...however, can't trust them...they thought Kerry was the 2:1 favorite for winning on Nov 2, 2004...;)

Of course, he DID win.

Did they do odds on it being stolen?

[Bluesplayer]

38. no wonder we're so fucked...

[seemslikeadream]

9. Matt is not taking a fall

Time is releasing the info. Just up to Judy now to obey the law.
http://www.cursor.org.nyud.net:8090/images/iheartchalabi.jpg


Time Magazine to Hand Over Reporter Notes

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050630/ap_on_re_us/reporters_contempt

[nikraye]

33. Time can hardly be trusted...

...to play fair and square. Time Warner is a big contributor to the Republicans, Bush included. Check out Richard Parson's (Time Warner's Chairman and CEO) political contributions record:

$118,750* Republican
$ 12,000 Democrat
$ 73,000 special interest

total: $203,750

from: http://newsmeat.com/ceo_political_donations/Richard_Parsons.php

[Elidor]

11. Novak gave up his source to the investigators

That's why.

[meppie-meppie not]

28. he did ? when and where was this reported?

[Elidor]

34. It stands to reason

He testified to the grand jury, and evidently Fitzgerald was satisfied with his testimony or he'd be in the dock with Miller and whatshisname. If he had refused to answer questions, he'd be facing jail. Obviously, he squealed like a stuck pig.

[seemslikeadream]

10. John Bolton, Downing Street, Mohamed ElBaradei, and Valerie Plame

Sun Jun 19th, 2005 at 17:46:17 PDT
One of the nagging questions of the Valerie Plame case has always been who in the White House would have even known who Valerie Plame, covert CIA operative, actually was. The identity of covert agents is strictly compartmentalized information; even in high-level briefings on the actions or intelligence gathered by those agents, the agents themselves are identified by alias or code, not by name. The reasons for this practice are obvious.

And, in the case of the White House, there was hardly a pressing need to know the identity of one Ms. Valerie Plame. It is middlingly possible that members of the Bush Administration knew Mrs. Valerie Wilson as wife of Ambassador Joseph Wilson. It is less possible that more than a tight handful of persons -- if that -- would have known Valerie Plame, covert CIA operative. The highest crime in the Wilson/Plame case likely does not revolve principally around who, precisely, shopped the information about Plame's covert status to Novak and other D.C. journalists: instead, it rests with who told that political operative -- the one with a full rolodex and the skill to select presumed-friendly leak points -- that Plame was a CIA operative in the first place, and worthy of attack. Among the White House political staff, there was precisely zero need to know this information -- and if classified intelligence procedures were being followed, no opportunities to find out.

It is undisputed among all parties that Plame's covert work involved principally the gathering of intelligence related to weapons of mass destruction, which put her at an important nexus of operations in the runup to the Iraq War. At another nexus point across town, during the same period, was John Bolton.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3976740&mesg_id=3977321

[tridim]

16. BushCo is the source

Regardless of who did the leaking, they all signed off on it. Well, except for Bush himself who doesn't even know how to tie his shoes.

[realFedUp]

19. True, all went along with the cover-up....

Try them also.

[SteppingRazor]

22. My odds:

Andrew Card -- 10-1

Karl Rove -- 25-1

Scooter Libby -- 5-1

John Bolton -- 3-1

Colin Powell -- 5-1

Scott McClellan -- 7-1

Richard Armitage -- 4-1

Stephen Rademaker -- 3-2


But everyone of these possibilities ignores the fact that, above any of them, it's probably Dick Cheney who gave the go-ahead. If you want my odds on who Indirectly caused the Plame leak, it's Cheney at even odds.

[flpoljunkie]

25. Ed Henry, INSIDE POLITICS, grilled Novak yesterday. "Surprising" comment.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/29/ip.01.html

Columnist and CNN political analyst Bob Novak was the first to reveal the CIA employee's identity, Valerie Plame. And Bob Novak joins me now on the show.

Bob, first, what's your reaction to the Supreme Court saying they would not hear this case?

BOB NOVAK, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, I deplore the thought of reporters -- I've been a reporter all my life -- going to jail for any period of time for not revealing sources, and there needs to be a federal shield law preventing that as there are shield laws in 49 out of 50 states. But, Ed, I -- my lawyer said I cannot answer any specific questions about this case until it is resolved, which I hope is very soon.

HENRY: In general, though, you believe in the principle of keeping the identity secret,of confidential sources. Have you ever revealed the identity of one of your confidential sources?

NOVAK: Well, people know -- who have read my column know there have been special case where I have. But the question of being coerced to by the government and being put in prison is, I think, something that should be protected by act of Congress.

HENRY: In general, have you cooperated with investigators in this case?

NOVAK: I can't answer any questions about this case at all.

HENRY: Okay. Now, just in general about the principle at stake here -- William Safire, fellow conservative, wrote an op ed in the New York Times saying that at the very least, he believes that you owe your readers, and in this case, your viewers, some explanation. He said, "Mr. Novak should finally write the column he owes readers and colleagues perhaps explaining how his two sources, who may have truthfully revealed themselves to investigators, managed to get the prosecutor off his back."

I think that's the question. Why sit that there are two reporters out there who may go to jail, Bob, but it doesn't appear that you are going to go to jail?

NOVAK: Well, that's what I can't reveal until this case is finished. I hope it is finished soon. And when it does, I agree with Mr. Safire, I will reveal all in a column and on the air. HENRY: Do you understand why in general there's frustration among fellow journalist after 41 years of distinguished work, where you've always pushed and been a fierce advocate of the public's right to know, you're not letting the public know about such a critical case, and two people may go to jail.

NOVAK: Well, they are not going to jail because of me. Whether I answer your questions or not, it has nothing to do with that. That's very ridiculous to think that I am the cause of their going to jail. I don't think they should be going to jail.

HENRY: Yes. But I didn't say you were the cause. But there are some people...

NOVAK: Yes, you do did.

HENRY: No, but some people feel if you would come forward with the information that you have, that maybe they would not go to jail.

NOVAK: But you don't know -- Ed, you don't know anything about the case. And those people who say that don't know anything about the case. And unfortunately, as somebody who likes to write, I'd like to say a lot about the case, but because of my attorney's advice I can't. But I will. And there might be some surprising things.

HENRY: We'll all be waiting to hear that story finally told, Bob.

[EVDebs]

37. "...the right not to incriminate himself" OR to not divulge participation

in the CIA's own domestic operation...

[CityDem]

26. Rove

It is even money is my book that Rove is the leaker. This was a political hit and Rove is the top politico in Bushco. Unfortunately, he has most likely covered his tracks and some lower level stiff will take the fall.

[SteppingRazor]

27. As you can see in my post above, I think Rove is the least likely

It's not the sort of information he has access to. If Rove is the leaker, that doesn't answer anything. The question then becomes -- who told Rove?
The man obviously doesn't know the identity of all our covert CIA agents. He's just a political advisor, for Chrissake -- a very influential one, admittedly -- but that's all he is.
Whoever leaked this had to have access to the sort of information that only high-level State Department or perhaps a very small handful of outside-of-State clandestine operatives would know. Rove is not on that list.

[CityDem]

29. Bush doesn't take a leak without consulting Rove

Rove may be a political adviser, but he is involved in all aspects of this administration. He probably has access to the nuclear code carried by the SS.

[Pathwalker]

31. I thought Tweety said it was Rove on Hardball.

Way back when it first happened, he mentioned it on his show. IIRC, he said:"IT was Rove who told me - this woman is FAIR GAME. Everyone in this town knows that Rove was the leaker."
I SWEAR I heard him say that.

[EVDebs]

36. It was an 'inside job' by CIA all the way. Operation Mockingbird

CIA journalist 'contractors', Bob Novak, and those in the WH and intelligence who wanted to punish Joe Wilson.

Since it was CIA-all-the-way, you won't get the truth in the end.

Scapegoat Miller and the innocent bystander from Time are just collateral damage.

[Totally Committed]

39. Scooter Libby...

via Karl Rove.

Gannon's in there somewhere, but I can't figure out if he's Libby's lover or Karl's... maybe both!

TC

[leftofthedial]

40. it is definitely cheney (or one of his creatures)