is this accurate??? Dean seems to be supporting war on Iran

[bobbieinok]

found this here

http://www.democrats.org/blog.html

The Hardball Transcript
Governor Dean was on Hardball last night, and the transcript is fantastic. Just a few of the many good quotes from last night are below...

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There's a war on terrorism going on in this world, and we are a part of it, and I agree that we need to fight them over there before they get here. The problem is, the place that we need to fight those people are in Afghanistan, hiding over the border in Pakistan. The Iranians, who sponsor state terrorism, these are our enemies. And these are folks that are not being paid the kind of attention to that need to be paid attention to while 138,000 brave American men and women are pinned down in Iraq because of a gross error in judgment by this administration.

this is the line I'm wondering about

"The Iranians, who sponsor state terrorism, these are our enemies."

(sorry if this dupicates another post)

[OldLeftieLawyer]

1. Oh, great. Dean parrots that bullshit Bush line

"... we need to fight them over there before they get here..."????

What is WRONG with him? Doesn't he realize there is no "over there," that terrorism is global and NOT a ground war? Hasn't he figured that simple and obvious fact out by now?

He buys right into what Bush and Co. are doing.

What a jerk. What a colossal blunder this is. Talk about an error in judgment. Jesus...............

[pocket]

2. not Dean!!!!!!!!!!

oh bloody fucking hell

[LittleClarkie]

10. Shall I go dig up what he said before the Iraq War?

This isn't that much different, IIRC.

[LittleClarkie]

13. Face the Nation March 2, 2003

DEAN: Yes, we have to be very, very careful of Iran. One of my criticisms with this president is that because we have no oil policy of any kind here, other than drilling the national parks, he is beholden to the Saudis and the Iranians.

The Saudis and the Iranians and the Syrians are funding most of the terror in the Middle East, and this president has not been willing to confront that, partly because we have no oil policy. Absolutely, Iran is a very serious danger.

The rest of it in context

http://www.crocuta.net/Dean/Transcript_of_Face_the_Nation_Mar2_2003.htm

[Andromeda]

22. Thanks, LittleClarkie...

I remember that quote. Dean makes a lot of sense and his comment has nothing to do with parroting Bush or buying into Bush's bullshit.

"Some" people at DU are so reactionary I can almost see puffs of smoke coming from tiny explosions in their nostrils.

[KlatooBNikto]

3. Ever since 9/11, the Democrats have become deathly afraid of being

labeled " Soft on Terrorism" by the Bush fanatics. Instead of mounting an attack on the entire premise of the story put out by the Bush cabal, they retreated to the safe territory of being Me Too Republicans. As a result, they have eseentially allowed themselves to be defined by the Republicans.

Now that the DSM has opened a wide gap in their credibility, it would seem an appropriate moment to ask the relevant question of how much one should believe the official story of 9/11.Instead even Dean is playing it safe.I cannot see us winning if this continues to be our position.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

5. Spine

That's all I want to see in any Democratic Senator or Congressman. A spine, and the righteous courage to start yelling the truth and NOT SHUTTING UP.

We need a leader. Now.

[Andromeda]

23. Dean is not playing it safe.

I just wish you people would stop jumping to false conclusions. Jeesh! Howard Dean always makes news because he's so outspoken and his words are frequently twisted and turned around.

Cheney had to attack Dean using his mother because he's so afraid of him. Dean has the Republicans so rattled they don't know what to do.

Before believing everything you hear, check your facts first.

Howard Dean has a reinforced steel spine and is not afraid to stand up to anybody.

[LightningFlash]

25. Nevertheless, PNAC will spin the words...

....Making it look like democrats WANT war with Iran. Dean should not have made any comments on Iran at all and dropped the BALL. He should have just said islam TERRORISTS, shit.

[JuniperLea]

4. things have changed

maybe he knows bush has screwed us so badly we have to fight them all now.

[LSK]

6. the interview is on dembloggers.com

http://www.dembloggers.com/main/3

Scroll down a little.

[LittleClarkie]

7. You can think that Iran is a problem

Without thinking that we need to go to war with them. Pressure may need to be put on them to knock it off, nuclear weapon-wise, but I think if we leave them alone, the generation coming up is pro-Democracy. We'd actually fuck them up worse if we tried to "Iraq" them.

You can think that Iran is a problem, quite independantly and with different goals in mind than Bush, or the neocons.

Get a grip people. Dean hasn't changed. People just don't know him as well as they should.

[Face_in_the_Crowd]

8. soft soft soft

Please, someone, tell me why it seems that so many of our Democratic representatives try to sugar coat or even transform their words in order to not directly oppose the Bush Machine? Is this just a bunch of soft reps or is there that much pressure being mounted against them?

[Eloriel]

9. No, no. All of you so far have got it wrong.

Dean isn't pandering, he's not siding with Bush to be siding with Bush or playing it "safe" or any of the rest of what's been said so far. Dean genuinely sees it this way, and IIRC this was pretty much the way he saw things from even during the campaign: Iran and N. Korea as far bigger threats and problems than Iraq would ever be.

Don't get overly excited here. That doesn't mean he would agree we should bomb the hell out of them.

Too, remember that he stays pretty darn busy with the every day grueling work of building a whole party from the ground up, including red states that have been neglected for many years now. If he's not as up on things as the rest of us are, there's a darned good reason for it. I've observed so far that he tends to catch up in time, and not all that much time either.

The main thing to remember about Dean is that he doesn't say things he doesn't believe, tho he MAY use a form of shorthand in discussing them that is best interpreted via his previous comments, as this one is, IMO. My explanation may not satisfy some of you, but knowing what I know of Dean, *I'm* not overly alarmed by this small and relatively innocent and innocuous remark. It's simply a throw back, as I said, to his campaign days when he listed Iran (along with N.Korea) as a bigger problem than Iraq.

[LSK]

11. its probably another meeting of the DU Dean haters society

I ask all of you to go watch the interview in which Dean repeatedly TRASHES Bush.

thank you

[bobbieinok]

12. I don't hate Dean...I like what he's doing......this line just sounded

wierd to me

[LSK]

17. go watch the video and it will not sound weird

[LittleClarkie]

14. That never works when the Kerry supporters use it

I don't imagine it's going to work here.

The OP asked an innocent enough question.

There does seem to be a problem with either not understanding the man, or a general kneejerk reaction based on limited information, a DU speciality to be sure, but one not limited to Dean per se.

[LSK]

18. comment was not specifically a reaction to the OP

But rather to the others reacting to the OPs question and assuming Dean is falling in line with Bush on Iran.

[LittleClarkie]

19. Yep, ass-u-me

And I thought we were supposed to be bright over here. For shame. Can't folks at least go and check for themselves before they freak?

[Hippo_Tron]

15. He said they are our enemies, did he say anything about war?

His point was that if we were going to attack a country at all, we attacked the one that made the absolute least sense as far as strategy in the war on terror, hence we went to war for $hrub's corporate interests.

[LittleClarkie]

16. Indeed he has singled out Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia before

Gee, what a concept, the nation who's people actually attacked us and a nation that's actually close to having WMDs.

[Oversea Visitor]

20. Cuckoo brain Grrr

Iranian has never kill Americans. Go on brand them maybe they decide its not a bad idea. Afghan has never kill Americans just like the Taliban who are Afghan never did, BRANDED and Americans start dying.
Iraqies has never kill Americans BRANDED and now Americans die.

US is on the deadwish journey or smething like this ???

[madfloridian]

21. He said Bush went after the wrong country.

He has not advocated "war". He has always said we should have been negotiating with Iran and North Korea who were far more dangerous.

He wanted Bush to use diplomacy and quit attacking the countries who were not threats to us and using up our resources and lives.

He believes most things can be solved diplomatically if you respect people.

[femme.democratique]

24. Iran has been a problem since WE DESTROYED THEIR DEMOCRACY

I guess they don't teach accurate American history at Ivy League schools, educating our "future leaders" about HOW Iran was manipulated into being our enemy?

[OneTwentyoNine]

26. Agreed,look up what the CIA did in Iran in 1953

Shah of Iran,put into power after a CIA backed overthrow.We later gave the gravely ill Shah asylum in the US when no one else would take him. Angry Iranians who had been tortured and had family members killed by that thug then held Americans as hostages--its a damn miracle they weren't all killed.

Geee...wonder WHY Iranians hate America??

[Totally Committed]

27. "The Iranians...

... who sponsor state terrorism, these are our enemies. And these are folks that are not being paid the kind of attention to that need to be paid attention to while 138,000 brave American men and women are pinned down in Iraq because of a gross error in judgment by this administration."

I'm telling you... one morning soon, we're all going to wake up and find out the US has invaded Iran. And, while our coffee is brewing, we will have to decide whether or not we will support that decision.

I hope when that time comes (and a fervently believe it will, now that I see this quote in print), I hope we will not just allow it to happen. I hope we will all see it as our duty to hit the streets and let our leaders know we do not want America involved in a systematic Neo-Con death-cult bent on world domination and endless war.

If you think Iraq has been a debacle, just wait until you see what war with Iran will look like. It will look like the end of the world -- and maybe it will be.

TC

[LizW]

28. Listen to what Mike Malloy said about Iran last night

It was at the beginning of the first hour of his show. He described in great detail our history with Iran since the 50's and how certain people back to the Dulles brothers and up through Poppy Gush had a hand in creating the problem that led to the election of a fundamentalist Islamist president in Iran now.

We can't pretend that things are peachy in Iran just because we oppose the Bush doctrine of premptive war in the Middle East. Like it or not, Iran does sponsor terrorism. That is one of the main reasons we have to have a plan for Iraq as soon as possible. Bush and Rumsfeld have so weakened our military that we are unable to deal with real danger.