Rove told Miller. Miller told Cooper and Novak.

[gristy]

From www.pnionline.com/dnblog/attytood/archives/002161.html (makes sense to me):

Theory on Miller Time

This is how I think it went:

Rove told Judy Miller about Plame. Miller told Cooper and Novak. Novak snitches on Miller to the Grand Jury and goes free.

This morning Miller tells Cooper it's ok to tell the judge it was her. Miller goes to jail because she will not give up Rove.

Miller goes to jail for now. Until Rove gets her off.
Posted by: American Joe at July 6, 2005 08:23 PM

[Cocoa]

1. makes sense to me too

good hypothesis.

[Imagevision]

41. interesting concept, could be real scenario..

[Sydnie]

2. And Bolton told Rove.

It just keeps getting deeper. It could be just as you described.

[symbolman]

44. It could just as easily been Cheney who told Rove

so that Rove could pass it on with plausible denialability (sp?)..

Otherwise, I think that's the best hypothesis I've seen so far..

BUt that may not let Rove off the hook for Perjury..

[FairGame]

3. Sounds interesting. Explains how Cooper got released at the last minute

Miller wouldn't send Cooper to jail.

Rove is fair game. Send him to jail, impeach Bush.

[Pallas180]

4. noooo - there's another WH source who was spreading the outing

of Plame. Fitzgerald says he knows who it is...but has to have
the testimony of Miller. Which is true. If hee's the prosecutor he
can't get up on the stand and testify himself.

I think we should have a betting pool.

Cheney?

Libby?

Bolton?

Newt Gingrich?



who knows how to make one of those poll things.

Find Dwickham, he always does them really good,

[pk_du]

10. I'm with you on this one Pallas180

Nofacts said "two whitehouse sources"

Cooper has one call him today (Rove) and give him the okay. ( cos he knows Coopers emails finger him anyway - and they are already out)

Miller didnt get such a call - because her source is Nofacts other source ( Libby , Bolton , Cheney - take you pick) - they have all denied under oath so that means perjury charge for the second source when found/proven.

[wtmusic]

18. It's possible Rove would rat on the other source

in a plea bargain. And they all came tumblin' down...

[shraby]

25. Libby signed a release too for some

of the people called in to testify.

[tridim]

14. Malloy just voted for Cheney

I think it was all of them. They all had a meeting after the Wilson column and decided as a group to out Plame. The only thing I can't figure out is why they thought they wouldn't get caught. Maybe it's just arrogance and/or stupidity.

[wtmusic]

20. Nobody's caught yet

and it will be very disappointing if Rove somehow finds the fortitude to take the fall for Cheney and/or Junior.

[Pallas180]

26. tridim, exactly my thought - they all had a meeting laughing about

how they were going to fix Wilson's wagon by outing the wife -
and Cheney and his crew had been hanging around the analysts at the
CIA, trying to intimidate them into saying Saddam had WMD...

but Valerie Plame's job was to trace and stop proliferation of nuclear weapons.

Cheney's bunch, Bolton, Libby, Rumsfeld were pro proliferation of nukes and Cheney when CEO of Halliburton had been fined millions for selling nuke components from offshore address....and so did Rumsfeld's Swiss company.......

think about it - two birds with one stone. Stop Plame from being on his trail by outing her, and fixing her husband's wagon.

nasty stuff. It was one of Cheney's crew which includes Gingrich - people were surprised to see him at the pentagon.....PNAC crew.

But which one.? It just might lead to Cheney and then to Bush knowing because he went to see a famous criminal lawyer .

Hmmmmm. Sound like Cheney's the one.

[sundancekid]

15. let me add: Rice, Hadley, and Elliott Abrams ... the whole NSC which

is now the State Dept no less!

[NVMojo]

5. And she looks like the perfect victim of a witch hunt in counterspin!

[FairGame]

6. Rove and Libby plant peices of the story to differnet reporters.

Miller, Cooper and Novak. Was Cooper brought in by Miller or did Scooter Libby get to him. What did Libby do other than supply Plames name to Rove?

[mt1000]

7. Palme husband Wilson's interview TODAY

Joseph Wilson was interviewed by Citizens For Legitimate Government
. . . a GREAT read! He has all the inside dope - he's Palme's husband.

http://www.legitgov.org/clg_interview_joseph_wilson_060705.html

[faithnotgreed]

30. thanks for that mt1000. wilson had some great statements today

welcome to du

[Elidor]

8. Novak has said he got it from a senior administration official

[FairGame]

9. So is that picture for Rove? Easy to see the resmblance.

[Lin]

17. aw jeeeze, and it's bedtime too, nightmares for sure (eom)

[Lin]

21. what about Novak's statement today to

Chicago newspaper woman (last name:Marine?) that (parapharsed but to the point) "what happened today has nothing to do with what I know"---of course, I put about this much <-> store in ANYTHING douchebag-for-liberty says.

[Pallas180]

27. Sr. WH official? That means Cheney or Rove.

for sure.

[tridim]

11. But didn't Novak say he talked to two WH officials?

And what ever happened to the 6 or so other "journalists" who got the leak?

[Lin]

24. absolutely..."two senior WH officials" (eom)

[read the law first]

35. No. Novak specifically said NOT White House

Now, Novak could be lying but he specifically, absolutely said that his two sources were not in the White House in his second column about the matter after the stuff hit the fan. I am 100 % sure of this.

[Scout1071]

12. I've been thinking. Judy and Cooper holding hands walking down

the steps? Emotionally embracing in the courtroom? Maybe Judy did fall on the sword for Cooper after all. He seemed fairly choked up about the matter.

[janx]

13. Novak's not out of the woods yet.

But I agree that Novak and Rove are the tag team.

[dave502d]

16. You could be right. n/t

[tuvor]

19. Or...If rove didn't speak to any "reporters" about Plame...

...(as per rove's lawyer), it suggests rove may have leaked to Novak (not a reporter, but a columnist).

Just my two Canadian cents.

[wtmusic]

22. The way he's been hedging his comments

I wouldn't put it past him to try to pull some crap like that.

[Pallas180]

31. That dog won't hunt. n/t

:bounce:

[Pallas180]

28. yep. parsing words. but Novak is a columnist as well as tv poisonality -so

then Rove perjured.

If Martha could go to jail for perjury so could Rove.

[Imagevision]

43. Novak is a former TV personality - that show was yanked by CNN

[JDPriestly]

23. Sounds right.

And that is the way they fixed all the evidence. They had conduits to the newsrooms -- conduits like Judy Miller who shared special information that came from the highest sources in the White House like Rove and Libby and others of that ilk. The reporters down the food chain were delighted to have the tips. They felt privileged to be let in on the stories so they printed them as if they were the unquestioned truth. Miller was one of the major conduits. That is how we got all the Chalabi, WMD and other pre-war, stories. Miller links the DSMs and the Plame matter.

On the other hand, Miller is probably not the target of the probe. She is a witness. I think that if she were being accused of wrongdoing or being a conspirator, the prosecutor would probably handle her differently -- and she could plead the Fifth Amendment.

[hopein08]

29. Perfect scenario...best I've heard yet! n/t

[Pallas180]

32. It's been suggested that nofacts is claiming 5th amendment -

"I refuse to answer on the grounds it may incriminat myself."

[orleans]

33. naaawww

"Luskin had also noted last week that Rove, like other White House aides, had signed a “waiver” relieving any reporters that he spoke to of any claims of confidentiality. But Cooper said today that such “waivers”—requested by special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald’s office and distributed by the White House counsel’s office—were “not worth the paper they were written on” because they would inevitably have to be signed under some form of coercion. That’s why Cooper placed such emphasis on receiving the unspecified personal “communication” from the unspecified source."

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8489888/site/newsweek/

so rovie signed a waiver--then why can't judy talk??? (cheney, cheney, cheney...?)

[Matilda]

34. Is the outing of Plame actually a crime, and if so, what is it?

I know Bush Snr. said outing a CIA agent amounted to treason, but
is that the law? If it was Rove, what would he be charged with,
and what would be the likely penalty?

[read the law first]

36. Not yet.

Despite all the protestations, nobody's bothering to read the actual law. O'Donnell was right when he said based on what we know right now, no crime was committed. It might turn out that there was one (or more) but right now NOBODY with any knowledge of the law has come out and said definitively that there was a crime committed based on what we currently know.

[theboss]

37. Doesn't it really come down to the level of resistance at the CIA?

Novak claims that the CIA protested mildly; the CIA claims they protested adamently.

This is really one of the more bizarre scandals in recent memory. No one knows who committed the crime, if a crime was even committed. And there is no good explanation as to why the alleged crime was committed in the first instance, aside from simple pettiness.

[Matilda]

40. So it's probably no more than a misdemeanor?

Not good for Rove's credibility, but what does this WH care about
that? Probably no more than a public slap on the wrist from Bush,
and a private wink?

[Imagevision]

42. no, outing a CIA agent is a felony! a federal offense.

[Matilda]

45. So Rove could be arrested,

and he could end up doing time? How sweet!

[read the law first]

48. there are A LOT of conditions in the statute for there to be a crime

The statute has A LOT of conditions. The agent has to be one who is in fact covert. The leaker has to know that the agent is in fact covert. The leaker has to have official access to the information (thus Novak could not have committed a crime). The government has to be taking active steps to conceal the identity of the agent. The leaker has to know that the government is taking active steps to conceal the identity of the agent, etc. It's not as cut and dried as everybody thinks.

[quaoar]

38. Bullshit

Reporters do not share good information with other reporters if they have not yet published it themselves. That's like cutting your own throat.

[theboss]

39. That seems too cute by half

Wasn't the story that a WH source was shopping this around?

[tsuki]

46. Unless Miller is a covert White House operative, it wasn't Miller.

Novak said two administration officials told him. And if Cooper submitted a story to Time based on what another reporter told him, I've got to question his judgement.

What a tangle web we weave when we spin, spin, spin.

[Algorem]

47. Speaking of Rove,he was supposed to be on an NPR talk show,but isn't.

Which might make it seem like he has something to hide.Friday morning on her NPR show,Diane Rehm announced that Rove told her he'd be a guest on her show sometime this week.Of course,the Lawrence O'Donnell revelation on the McGlaughlin Group aired on Friday night.The Rehm show filled in the last space on this week's schedule on their webpage last night,which was today at 10 AM.I was waiting to see if it would be Rove.It's not.

http://wamu.org/programs/dr/

[CWebster]

49. Why didn't the NYTimes can Miller

after she drummed up a false case for war with the help of Chalabi (who was only feeding them "what they wanted to hear")?

After all, they have fired other journalists for less.

[spooky3]

50. I don't think so because (a) there's no reason for Miller to

tell Cooper and Novak and (b) it takes away an excellent "plausibly deniable" part of Rove's lawyer statement, in that if it did happen as you say, Rove DID tell "a reporter" about Plame.