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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 06:33 PM
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Clark Did Not Back Down on Meet The Press, Stayed in Total Control
He controlled the discussion from start to finish. Russet didn't lay a glove on Clark regarding Michael Moore, though the question came up several times. I thought this was Clark's best performance on a Television interview format appearance. Almost as good as he can be in Town Hall Meetings. Poised, confident, on message. What do you think?
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 06:36 PM
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1. CNBC repeat at 10 PM Eastern
Can't comment till I've seen it. But I suspect you're right!
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jmaier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 06:36 PM
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2. I thought that he was superb
Somehow he managed to field a "Michael Moore" question and we it into an answer about family values, his tax policy, etc. LOL

He was calm, reasoned yet forceful and oddly Russert let him talk at length without interruption even though he did reframe the deserter question several times. It was an ace performance from Clark.

His rally on CSPAN this afternoon was simply incredible. There is no question in my mind that he is the candidate to stand up to *.
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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 06:39 PM
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3. He was perfect on MTP
But he was GRAND at the rally on C-Span. :)
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 12:53 AM
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34. I Loved the Rally
People were really won over; quite a few went undecided & he convinced them. The only negative was 1 woman who was pro-life.

I watched MTP several hrs ago. After reading posts here, I expected problems, but he was terrific. He got his message out, & Brokaw did mention that Chimp missed guard duty in Alabama.

I thought both went really well!!!
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 06:39 PM
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4. I haven't seen the appearance, only read the transcript...
...so I don't know that I'm fully qualified to comment. I don't think it was his best performance, for that to be the case, you'd need someone other than Russert and his "gotcha" questioning. Clarks team has prepped him well for the sortie though. Given Russerts approach in past interviews (with Democrats of course, not the balllick performance he gives with Republicans), I do think the best approach to those kinds of questions is to basically change the topic and stay on message. There will be criticism for doing so, but far less criticism than would be garnered down the dark alley for the mugging by Russert that would surely follow if one were to play his game. So I don't think it was a bad appearance at all, at least from the way the transcript read. From reading it, there was one bit, were he went into biographical in walking around Russerts question, were his feet seemed to leave the ground for a few moments, but again, see above. Far better that one takes the mic and uses it to advance their message than be tied to Russerts tracks.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 06:40 PM
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5. Great news!
I love it every time every single Dem candidate does well on TV. These good interviews will be good for whoever is the nominee of our party in the fall.

In other words, when Dean does well, it will be good for Clark if Clark gets the nomination.

When Clark does well, it will help Kerry if Kerry gets the nomination.

Frankly, I hope that whoever the nominee is, the rest will be given a role in the winner's cabinet.

They have all made important contributions to the party.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 06:41 PM
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6. Honestly, it shows he is learning the craft of turning questions
... to his own advantage. I have never seen him do better at it. And as a result he got to spend much of his time addressing domestic issues, which they usually box him out of discussing. Yet he was never evasive. Besides wanting to make these points, it bugs me to see a one track mind Clark hater try to dominate the spin from Meet The Press with a negative thread header. So I thought a thread focusing more on how Clark has gotten so he can shrug off the attacks and hone in on his message, would be nice.

The same thing showed in his rally speech. Clark is cutting through all the crap to what really matters today.
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Printer70 Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 06:43 PM
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7. Round-table (Journalists) Reaction to Clark interview
MR. BROKAW: Tim, I am struck by--I mean, you know, this is welcome to the NFL time for these guys. Running for president is very difficult. You just had a guest on here, General Wesley Clark, who has been struggling as well with a consistent message. And those two issues that you talked to him about, abortion and the president as a deserter--he was struggling for answers on that. And my guess is that a lot of people are looking at it and saying, "Well, tell us what you really believe here."
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 06:51 PM
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11. How was the man struggling?
Edited on Sun Jan-25-04 06:52 PM by dennis4868
he answered the question on abortion and he has said time after time that he has nopt researched the facts of Bush's military experience and that Moore has the freedom of speech....where is the struggle Mr. Whore Brokaw?
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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 07:04 PM
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15. Think the word disrupter & you will have your answer.
eom
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 07:37 PM
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25. True.
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kayleybeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 06:46 PM
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8. I missed it
but I am not surprised to hear it went well. Thanks for your post, I'll try to catch the repeat later.

I did catch the Clark rally on CSPAN this afternoon... that was awesome.
:-) :-) :-)
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ampster Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 06:48 PM
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9. Dems are doing well campaigning these days.

The big 4 Candidates are doing a terrific job during their public appearances.

The fact that so many quality candidates are a part of the process has definitely raised the tone, and the national debate.

Keep the negatives down and independents will give Dems a hard look in my opinion. Thats where the battle is - for the hearts and minds of the independents.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 06:49 PM
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10. I thought Clark did very well
I agree with an earlier poster, he stumbled some with the autobiographical bit, but I swear he smiled at Russert at the same time - kind of like saying - "yeah, I'm not gonna answer your stupid question."

He totally hammered Bush on 9/11 and the Bush administrations failures in that regard. He really is the best of the candidates hitting Bush in that area.

I'll try to catch the town hall meeting on c-span this evening. Even though Clark isn't my number one choice, I always enjoy watching him speak.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 06:55 PM
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14. If they replay his rally
I truly urge you to watch it. As a Clark supporter, I've watched a lot of him on CSPAN, seen him in person, seen him on Network TV...

But he was amazing today, on a completely different level. He was passionate in a deeply moving way. He was open about his life and how he got here, and what he is seeing in America. And he sounded the alarm loud and clear about the danger our nation is in. Honest, vote for Dean if he is your guy, but catch that speech if it is humanly possible.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 07:24 PM
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20. Dean ain't my guy...
Kerry is.

:)
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:48 PM
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27. Does anyone know if CSPAN will replay the Clark rally?
If anyone finds out, please be sure to start a thread and post it.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 06:53 PM
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12. The more Ruslut tried, the more Clark complimented MM
Edited on Sun Jan-25-04 06:55 PM by robbedvoter
As for Brokaw, he can go jump in a lake - mediawhore that he is.



Russert's days of intimidating Dems are over. We've got us a panther.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 06:55 PM
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13. OMG! That graphic...
you're killing me here!

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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 12:56 AM
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35. I Love it!!
Imagine what you could do to the pepple at Fox?
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leftbend Donating Member (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 07:06 PM
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16. Clark was impressive
He was good on MTP and excellent at his rally. I was really disgusted at the spin Brokaw and the others tried to put on his MTP appearance though.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 07:06 PM
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17. I thought the General did very well on MTP
Timmy the whore kept pushing him on the Michael Moore issue and the General wouldn't take the bait.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 07:08 PM
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18. Thanks for the Report, TR.
I missed the interview.

I know you see things clearly and I appreciate your report here that Clark did well with Russert, a shameless fan of George and Barbara Bush.

I understand that Fox News did a hatchet job on Clark today. I hate seeing this. I hope you Clark supporters don't waver one bit.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 07:21 PM
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19. You're welcome. Here is a repost of my full report.
Seems not everyone caught it on the other thread. You can simply skip this if you read it elsewhere. The only thing I would add is that the post spin stuff about Abortions was pretty much inserted into that discussion from out of left field, I assume to intentionally discredit Clark. It was only briefly if at all touched on during the actual interview, with absolutely no fireworks about it. OK, here's the repost of my full impressions:

It was his best TV interview format performance. So often we just say so and so was great, that it loses meaning. This was the best I've seen Clark do. I will give credit to Russet too, he was on good behavior. I guess I disagree with some other posters about that, and I will comment more about Russet below. Clark came across as serious, fluent, sincere, and solid, with the emphasis on solid. Clark was at ease at all times. I was most impressed at how much mastery Clark showed of the political art of turning a question answer into the statement that you want to make. When done poorly it is obvious and clumsy, Clark was nailing it during this interview, and Russet let him speak. At the end of a comment Russet sometimes returned to a point, if he felt Clark slipped past it, which was fair. Clark pulled if off because he did answer Russet's question each time, quickly and efficiently, and then gracefully moved on to what Clark felt was important.

Clark turned Russet's first question about the Moore statement into a discussion about what is important to the voters. Essentially he did that each time the question was rephrased. The way Clark did it was by saying he is concerned about the future, not the past. He said as he has traveled across New Hampshire no voter has asked him about Michael Moore's comments. They talk about the loss of jobs, about health care issues.

Clark shifted easily into talking about his own background, having to move in with his grandparents when his father died and they moved back South. Never having much. Spending most of his time in the military making less than 50 Thousand a year, having to decide if they could afford to get a car repair that month. He talked about parents worrying about paying for braces for their kids teeth, etc. Clark spun into and out of his progressive income tax plan and what it would mean for working families, and he gave specifics. And he did all of that while giving answers to Russet's questions about the Moore statement. The fact that Clark moved so seamlessly into broader policy issues did, I will admit, have something to do with why Russet reframed the question a few times,

The key is Clark never came across as being evasive, instead he was gently dismissive of it as a real issue of concern to voters in New Hampshire now. He oozed confidence, no sense of squirming through an uncomfortable trap. The points Clark made regarding Moore's comments were simple and clear. Clark did say that he himself wouldn't have made that exact characterization, but Clark did not bite on the Moore is insulting the President or Presidency bit, or that Moore was out of bounds in any way, and Clark repeated that he hadn't looked into any of the facts involved. He framed it as a free speech issue without disavowing the content. Clark said he doesn't screen his supporters for what they will might at a rally. He said he saw Moore's comment as an expression of Moore's dissent. Further, and to me this was very important and telling about Clark's character, loyalty and convictions, Clark directly praised Michael Moore within one of his answers, saying that Moore has said a number of important things and made real contributions to America.

Clark was at his populist best when he said an era is over in America, where the assumption can be sold that if you give rich people more money somehow that will translate into more jobs for average Americans. It doesn't. He said the Bush tax agenda has been exposed and discredited. They aren't putting America back to work but he will. After keeping America safe, jobs is his highest priority.

Russet confronted Clark with past statements about promising not to let another incident like 9/11 happen again, and said how can you guarantee it? Clark said he did not offer any guarantees, of course there are no guarantees about anything of this sort. Clark very effectively laid out that scenario whereby Bush took office being warned about the danger of terrorists, but then proceeded to concentrate on a national missile defense system instead. having made no plans to deal with terrorism. Clark said that is failed leadership. Bush did not do everything he could to keep America safe, but that he, Clark, would. Clark said Bush has to be held responsible for his failings in that critical period. Further Clark again explained that while he was glad Hussein was out of power, there were other ways to deal with Hussein at the time other than launching that invasion the way Bush did. No immanent threat. Took our focus off of Bin Laden, who is still out there plotting against America. Regarding the "promise no more incidents like 9/11" " "gotcha" attempt, I think Clark did well.

The only way I think Clark could improve would be to specifically say, "perhaps my comments were not clear enough at the time, and left the impression that I was promising the impossible. Let me make this clear. Under my Administration there will be no more "incidents" of our nation being ill prepared to face and defend against a real threat to our safety, because the President of the United States was uninformed, inattentive, or predisposed for ideological reasons to look elsewhere for a threat, rather than focus on the one that all knowledgeable sources presented as most credible and immanent. That is my promise. It is not only possible for our President to make that guarantee, it is essential that he honor it, and I will." I really think that is the point Clark is making. Mostly it got across, and Clark KEPT THE HEAT ON BUSH for 9/11.

At one point Clark commented on how the Bush Administration cooked the intelligence to fit their ideological and political agenda. Russet said that was a serious charge, and could Clark back it, AND CLARK COULD! He was masterful in that segment, citing an intentionally leaked highly classified memo that the Bush administration used to buttress their claim of a link between Hussein and Bin Ladin link. Clark pointed out that it is standard national security policy to never comment on a leaked classified National Security document, for national security reasons. Doing so can compromise sources and methods used to gather intelligence, and it is not done, but the Bush Administration hyped the contents after they were "leaked". Very powerful stuff.

Clark was confronted with Kerry campaign negative flyers against Clark, and negative emails from Kerry's campaign sent out to the media over this weekend, about Clark's alleged Republican lobbying and cashing in on his military career. Clark firmly stuck to the high road. He said nothing negative about Kerry. Clark quickly ran down an overview of his own career and the breadth of his experiences, including his work in the private sector after leaving the military, and framed his private sector experience rounding out his career and better preparing him for the Presidency. He did not act or sound defensive. Clark did not dwell on it because he wanted to talk about the issues, and for a change, he was not letting his limited air time be dominated by responding to attacks made against him.

Clark was also asked about the need for all the candidates to secure some Primary victories by Feb. 3rd. Clark agreed that victories were needed, and he would get them, but did not quite nail himself to Feb. 3rd though he did cite his strength in a number of states voting on Feb. 3rd and after. Clark went out of his way to praise his grass roots volunteer movement and the commitment so many have made to his effort, both in New Hampshire and around the country. Clark fielded his "Republican past" one more time, this in the context of his older votes for some Republican Presidents, and he handled it smoothly, saying his vision of the Democratic party was one that was welcoming in disaffected Americans of various political leanings, to turn around our country form the crisis we are in, and he can reach those people. He said people grow, nimbly implying that he had certainly grown over the years since Nixon.

That's about it. Remember Clark did not have a full hour this time. He did a remarkable job of responding to all the hits out against him, while keeping his cool, and making his points. A remarkable performance all in all. One more time I will state. Clark has shown huge courage to stand his ground and not disavow Moore, despite wilting fire being directed against him. By doing so Clark keeps the issue of Bush's war record in the realm of public debate, where it will remain as long as Clark remains a viable candidate for the Democratic nomination, because they will keep going at him regarding it, I am sure of that. If Clark goes down, the issue most likely will go down with him, because it will then be seen as a big reason why Clark lost support, Kerry's comments made sure of that. On that basis alone I will say, if you are still wavering between candidates to back, and consider Clark among those worthy of your support, he has clearly earned it with this one. If we don't reward him for this stand, who will? This wouldn't be a bad time to donate money to his campaign either.


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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 07:29 PM
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23. Excellent!
Thanks. Maybe I can catch it tonight.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 07:26 PM
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21. We're not going anywhere
We won't concede until the General does. Rock on David!
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mikehiggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 07:35 PM
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24. Oh yes we are. We're going to the convention.
One way or another, Clark will be our nominee.

In the end, there can be only one.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 07:28 PM
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22. kick
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Loren645 Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 07:41 PM
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26. Wish I'd been able to see it. Thanks Tom.
Go Wes!
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SeveneightyWhoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:58 PM
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28. I love how he handled the Moore questioning.
Russert wouldn't get off the subject, trying to get Clark to somehow denounce Moore.

And Clark wouldn't budge. Not only did he continue to defend Moore, but he switched to talking about issues. And Russert kept pushing, to no avail (but he did do a good job of bringing up Bush's AWOL status, yet again, thanks Tim!).
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 11:19 PM
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29. As long as Clark is contending
This issue will not die.
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Hailtothechimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 12:17 AM
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31. Russert took 4 cracks at this issue and whiffed each time.
His master Karl must have been very disappointed.
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kayleybeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 11:44 PM
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30. I caught the repeat on CNBC a while ago
I agree, Clark did *extremely* well. He stood his ground and refused to let Russert frame the debate. He was calm and very well-prepared and totally on message. He actually got to talk about domestic issues for a change, and as usual he refused to bash the other candidates despite Russert's baiting. Plus he managed to get in several good swipes at pResident Smirk throughout the interview.

I was impressed.
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 12:22 AM
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32. He was great!
n/t
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shoopnyc123 Donating Member (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 12:46 AM
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33. Yea, Clark is my man...
right now.
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