The blokes had no intelligence regarding yesterday's attacks....

[liberalitch]

This morning i heard of the news that we are JUST NOW combing our intelligence for clues about yesterday.... Isn't that a little slow on the up take?

A little like.... not reading that august 2001 report?

man oh man! won't the blokes be pissed if they find out we may have had information on this before it happened?

Of course..... I don't think that we would reveal it (truthfuly), if we could have known before hand.

Of course there are knowns and unknowns and knowns and unknowns that we know nothing about.....

[ewagner]

1. There was a discussion about this yesterday

and it's truly frightening that (apparently) neither the British MI6 nor the American CIA had a clue that anything was about to happen.

here's a link to the discussion:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4039701&mesg_id=4039701

[wtmusic]

2. So much for "chatter"

One thing about al Qaeda: they have managed to repeatedly surprise the most advanced intelligence-gathering org in the world.

[BR_Parkway]

7. At the times most advantageous to a certain 'poll tanking' leader?

Not to get into the industrical tin-foil, but it's gotten to the point that my first reaction when I heard about the bombings was wow, that should put him back up in the polls, amazing how it happens just after his uninspired 'stay the course' speech - it's just going to remind everyone that our fearless leader is needed to protect us

[Jawja]

20. My first thought, too.....

And didn't the Corporate Media do just that? Attempt to prop him up as our fearless leader, the "War President?"

[Roland99]

3. Then how did Netanyahu get warned ahead of time?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

4. He didn't.

This has been thoroughly and repeatedly debunked.

[Roland99]

6. Oh? do you have a link for that? I'd like to see it.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

8. See discussion here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4045857#4045985

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

10. link

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050707/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_britain_explosions_3

[Roland99]

14. Hmm...well, the AP is owned by the same parent company as ES&S

Is this an edit to hide something or am I reaching on this?

[alcibiades_mystery]

12. the fact that a claim has been debunked means nothing to certain parties

here on DU.

They repeat and repeat and repeat and repeat, until the debunkers get tired of responding. It's a form of internet insanity.

[Roland99]

15. Well, EXCUUUUUUUSE MEEEEEEE for not having heard all the news

[Frederik]

16. The correct word would be "denied"

rather than debunked. We remain in the dark, strictly speaking, as to whether it happened or not.

[Roland99]

18. London Terror Tip-off: Timeline Refutes Israeli Denial

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/index.php?id=P2206

In denying widespread reports that Israeli Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu received a warning of the London terrorist attacks "minutes before" they occurred, Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom claims that "After the first explosion, our finance minister received a request not to go anywhere."

The problem with this explanation is that it was only after the third explosion that London police realized they were in the midst of a terrorist attack. Up until that point, authorities thought they were dealing with a series of accidents caused by a power surge, as this timeline from the Australian Times-Herald makes clear:



If we take the original leaker at his (or her) word, Netanyahu was told "minutes before" the first explosion. However, even if we believe Minister Shalom’s account, it still points to a weird anomaly: It took a full hour for the rest of London to find out that they were under attack, and yet Netanyahu was privy to this well before anyone else – including Prime Minister Tony Blair.

What did Netanyahu know, when did he know it, and how did he know it? Andrew Sullivan can stuff his ethno-religious special pleading: if there is any "canard" more "tired" and "hideous" than anti-Semitism it is the attempt to reduce all inquiries about Israel's behavior to bigotry. These questions deserve honest answers. Why is no one asking them?

[formernaderite]

22. so true

eom

[CJCRANE]

24. They always say that at the beginning

I'll buy it this time, but intelligence agencies always know a lot more than they initially reveal to the public.

For instance, as soon as I saw the headline of "power surges" at five tube stations I thought immediately it was a terrorist attack (partly because I saw an episode of "Spooks" which dealt with a similar incident, which had a scene where MI5 have to decide on the spot what to tell the public as a cover story).

[Broken Acorn]

5. Doesn't this suggest that Al-Queda wasn't involved?

Combine the zero chatter with the low casualties (any casualty is too many)and something doesn't add up.

[ewagner]

9. No, I don't think so

I think AQ has learned how to communicate without tripping red flags in the intelligence community.

And

The relatively low casualty count was more a matter of providence than design...it could have been much, much worse.

And yes, I agree, ONE death to terrorism is too many.

[sojourner]

11. STOPPIT right now. No thinking allowed! I MEAN it. (not)

:spank:

[Frederik]

17. It might have been London-based

"veterans" of the Iraq war. That's what intel agencies have been afraid of lately. Not al-Qaida. "Blowback", in other words.

[Old and In the Way]

13. Just when Bush's policies show significant deterioration

on both the international and domestic fronts....the terrorists do something that boosts his standing. The did the same thing with Agu Grahib with the beheading of the American.

Their timing is very suspect...it's almost like they want the War on Terror to continue. Who benefits?

[CJCRANE]

19. It hasn't boosted Blair's standing.

Just listened to a call-in show on BBC Radio 4. A couple of the callers parrotted the RW talking points about "they hate us for our freedom" type stuff but most callers were on the ball and linked the attacks to predictable blowback from Tony's Iraq policy.

[JohnnyBoots]

21. Not to mention Plame and the 1 billion Halliburton raise news

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