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El Fuego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 11:41 AM
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MSM: Jailing of Judith Miller is "chilling" --ooooh, I'm so scared.
:scared: :scared:

Suddenly the MSM is doing a lot of self-righteous posturing about this blow to American liberty - without freedom of the press, all is lost. Yeah yeah. Never mind that we've already been turned into a fascist state. (Note to journalists: I know, this time, it's all about YOU.)

They're not talking about what is really happening here. This isn't a classic case of a reporter taking a brave stand to protect a whistle blower who dares to expose a crime. She's protecting the criminals themselves. She's protecting the bush administration. The bush administration who has committed crimes against the American people. She is not doing any service to the American people, she is upholding any great traditions of liberty. She is in the service of the king.

This is the big difference: She didn't get leaked information ABOUT a crime. The leak ITSELF was the crime. Outing Valerie Plame was treason against this country, against the American people. She is protecting those who would commit treason against America.

The PEOPLE's right to know that the administration has committed crimes transcends her right to protect her source. This is not the press vs. the government. This is the bush administration vs. the American public.

And will someone explain to me what planet lil' Tucker Carlson lives on? He had this to say on his show:

"This is the press publishing something the government doesn't want published and the government putting——using all its force in the most horrible manifestation to put the reporters in jail. It's disgusting." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8498065/

What the fuck?!! Are you like a total idiot, Tucker? "The press publishing something the government doesn't want published"???? Listen, Tucker: This is a case of the press acting as an arm of the government. The press published exactly what the government wanted published, the outing of Valerie Plame. The prosecutor isn't representing the rights of the government. The prosecutor who jailed Miller is representing the rights of the American People.

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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 11:49 AM
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1. have you seen this thread...?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1915495

I think this IS an important issue, and the fallout seems to be happening pretty quickly.
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El Fuego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 12:05 PM
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8. Thanks! No I hadn't seen it.
They are playing both sides of the press issue as it suits them, with the effect being the establishment of a totalitarian state.

It is unbelievable.
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 11:50 AM
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2. Ain't that the truth, this time
it's all about them. It seems that they are blaming it on the prosecutor and the judge and not letting it reflect on the administration where the blame belongs. They are still taking orders from the WH. Twisted logic here and it comes back to the same thing: they are too dumb or complicit.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 11:52 AM
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3. Why are these 'journalists' so adamant about the public helping to
protect THEIR rights when they haven't done a frigging thing to help preserve and protect OUR rights?

If they weren't so frigging helpful to the bushistas and pushing their agenda maybe I could scrape up a little concern about what happens to them.
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 11:53 AM
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4. Tucker's disgusting n/t
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 11:53 AM
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5. Nicely clarified. (n/t)
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 11:53 AM
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6. it is kinda chilling that she is taking a stand
Why would she goto jail instead of talking? I cannot believe she has prinicples. A Republican shill with principles? - impocerous. It seems more likely to me that she is scared to testify against the Bush crime family. How can you go into witness protection from the people who run the FBI?
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 12:03 PM
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7. she is probably an Israeli operative.. she has written NUMEROUS 'The SKY
Edited on Sat Jul-09-05 12:06 PM by sam sarrha
is Falling because of Iraq and Iran' in the middle East. really blatant propaganda shit.. she is much more rabid than Ann, but much more sophisticated and literate.. but then i am sure her books are written by the Massad.:hide:

go to http://www,wikipedia.org and type in Judith miller or just surf her name.. there is lots of stuff on how crazy she is and her absurd propaganda books
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 12:06 PM
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9. One of the reasons Ms. Miller gets less sympathy here
Edited on Sat Jul-09-05 12:18 PM by Jack Rabbit
EDITED for grammar and clarity

One of the reasons Ms. Miller gets less sympathy here than a reporter jailed for protecting confidential sources would usually get is that she published quite a bit of what the government wanted published and it was a pack of lies. Whether she knew it or not is beside the point; they did. If she had done her job right, she would have, too.

Everything has been turned on its head. We don't have an administration; we have a regime. We don't have a press; we have propaganda ministry. American democracy is broken; the relationship between so-called journalists like Judy Miller and their sources is one of the reasons why it is broken.

The problem is systemic. The purpose of a free and independent press is to provide the public with facts so that citizens can make an informed decision in a democratic process. For too long, and especially since Mr. Bush seized power, the press has reported policymakers' lies uncontroverted by truth and covered their aardvarks. They have served the enemies of the people and kept the public ignorant.

A real journalist would have my sympathy if she were protecting a source that was giving her information that the public needs to know. Seeing someone like Judy Miller sit in the slammer for protecting the source of lies and propaganda gives me a perverted sense of satisfaction.

Four months doesn't seem long enough.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 12:11 PM
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 12:28 PM
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13. Is that a fact?
Edited on Sat Jul-09-05 12:42 PM by Jack Rabbit
I've seen several theories about why she does this. The worst of these, like most conspiracy theories, are simply conjecture.

No, she did not make this steer manure up. Chalabi and his pals in the INC did. She talked to them and passed it on to us as if it were established fact. She did not check the story, as she should have; or, if she did, she checked not with an independent source but with sources inside the regime who were either telling Chalabi what to say or eating it up because it fit into their plans, regardless of the real facts.
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El Fuego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 12:12 PM
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12. VERY well said.
You hit the nail on the head! :bounce:
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 12:29 PM
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14. Thank you
!!
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wurzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 12:09 PM
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10. The Right is now concerned about the "Liberal Media"?
Edited on Sat Jul-09-05 12:17 PM by wurzel
Miller betrayed the whistleblower! The whistleblower was Amb. Wilson. Miller and Novak colluded with the Bush Administration to shut this whistleblower up by ruining his wife's career. Now we are supposed to be concerned about protecting these "journalists'? Incidently, it is a stark contrast between the treatment Miller has with that of McDougall. I haven't seen Miller in chains.
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