General Clark compared to Ashley Wilkes by OxyMoron Rush. Very Odd.

[Sparkly]

Rush "OxyMoron" Limbaugh (R-AssCyst) posted this on his website:



I don't listen to him or read his site, except that this came in my Clark "Google Alert" and I dared click on it.

It seems the OxyMoron is trying to compare General Clark to Ashley Wilkes, for some odd reason. To make his case, he picked this quote from the General on Fox:

CLARK: This needs to be a discussion about religion, about God, about the Koran, and about what God expects of His men and women and children on earth -- and it's going to have to be argued out within Islam. Those of us who are not Islamic are not going to be able to participate directly in this dialogue, but we've got to hope it occurs and we've got to give support and encouragement to those who believe as we do that there's just no excuse for murdering innocent people. That's all it is. It's a crime. It's horrible, and it's got to be stopped.

He pretended to interpret this quote as the General advocating only "a therapy session" and "a meeting."

A few questions:

Is there a scene in Gone With the Wind in which Ashley advocates a therapy session or meeting with the Yankees?

When Ashley Wilkes voluntarily enlisted, was there a fat cheerleader for war on the sidelines, whining about anal cysts to get out of fighting?

The main thing about Ashley Wilkes' character is that he represented the Old South (which was "gone with the wind") and its difficulties adjusting to the new union. Is the OxyMoron saying General Clark represents the Old South and wouldn't fight for the country?

The other thing about Ashely Wilkes was that he was sexually effete, particularly compared with Rhett Butler. Is Rush judging General Clark's sexual power, and if so, why? Is it part of a new "lifestyle choice?"

Who is Rush's Rhett Butler -- the Chimp? Rove? Cheney?

Obviously, the OxyMoron is a bit threatened by General Clark. Not that we can blame him for that.

[Totally Committed]

1. This is also a very old meme, recycled...

it was first used to try and discredit and humiliate Wes during the Primaries.

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[Sparkly]

2. Really?

Hm, I wonder why he's dredging it back up? No doubt he's worried, and couldn't find any new material, I guess. :shrug:

[Totally Committed]

6. Actually, I meant "meme" and just changed it...

Yes... he uses it every time he wants to criticize Wes. Usually NewsMax runs it for him, and he just pops in a new "outrage" that Wes has committed. But, it's been around a while.

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[eleny]

3. More twisted hate speech

Isn't he in jail yet?!

[norml]

4. It's been the right wing media machine's derogatory nickname for Clark

since 2002.

[Sparkly]

5. I've never heard it.

Or if I did, I've blocked it from my memory.

Why Ashley Wilkes?

[Totally Committed]

7. The implication is that Wes is a

Southern military wimp, like Wilkes...

It would take a chickenhawk like Limpballs to make that IRONIC.

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[Sparkly]

8. But Ashley was only a wimp in his sexual persona, wasn't he?

Shouldn't they leave evaluations of men's sexual attraction to people who are attracted to men?

But maybe the comparison makes them feel better, casting themselves as the dashing Rhett who didn't enlist. :shrug:

[Totally Committed]

10. I think Rush thinks that

because he didn't drag Scarlet up the stairs and "ravish" her like the chickenhawk "Rhett" did, that qualified him as a "wimp".

The fact that he was any kind of a wimp, and he was from the South, and he was military made him a good choice to pin on Wes.

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[Sparkly]

25. Aha-- so instead of thinking about who he'd rather be in a foxhole with

(as suggested downthread), he's thinking about who he'd rather have carrying him up the stairs and ravishing him.

That's the ticket! Maybe he dresses up in full skirts when no one can see.

[Totally Committed]

30. That's not at all where I was going with this...

but, whatever...

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[Sparkly]

43. Sorry, I guess I was having too much fun with the imagery.

:blush:

[KC21304]

20. Let's see, who turns on this

woman more, Wesley Clark or Rush Limbaugh ? H mmmmm.
Gosh, that's a tough one. NOT !!!!!!!

What a drip, that Rushboil.

[norml]

13. Because Ashley sounds like Wesley, and making fun of people's names

is where they begin.

It's simple behavioral conditioning.

[tenshi816]

14. Judging from those two photos in the original post,

could it not be based simply on a slight physical resemblance? Looks like Rush took it and ran with it.

Yeah, I know, weird, but there's no logic in the way those people think. I, for one, was unaware that good cheekbones implied wimpiness.

Methinks they're scared of Wes, and that's all they have to work with.

[TomClash]

15. F**k Rush Limbaugh

Clark was shot four times in Vietnam. He was 1st mech ID. Here's a piece from Wikipedia:

The next month, February 1970, then 25, Clark was wounded by a sniper in the jungle. Ambushed by the Viet Cong, Clark was shot four times (in the right shoulder, right hand, right hip and right leg) before he could find cover. He managed to shout commands to troops, who launched a counterattack and defeated the enemy force. Clark's wounds were treated, and he was flown back to the United States to recuperate at Valley Forge Hospital. There he saw his new four-month-old son, Wesley Jr., who had been born in his absence. He also was awarded the Bronze Star and Silver Star:

"As the friendly force maneuvered through the treacherous region, it was suddenly subjected to an intense small arms fire from a well-concealed insurgent element. Although painfully wounded in the initial volley, Captain Clark immediately directed his men on a counter-assault of the enemy positions. With complete disregard for his personal safety, Captain Clark remained with his unit until the reactionary force arrived and the situation was well in hand. His courageous initiative and exemplary professionalism significantly contributed to the successful outcome of the engagement. Captain Clark's unquestionable valor in close combat against a hostile force is in keeping with the finest traditions of the military service and reflects great credit upon himself, the 1st Infantry Division, and the United States Army."

[Sparkly]

17. The irony of Rush calling the General a wimp is RICH. n/t

[norml]

9. It shows that they know the 2008 race will be Gen. Clark verses Jeb Bush

So that's where they're going to put most of their behavioral conditioning.

That is when they're not pushing their "Hillary is Running" nonsense.

Of course they will just say again as they did before that Clark is just a stocking horse for Hillary.

[Sparkly]

12. Jeb Bush as Rhett Butler!!

:rofl:

[Totally Committed]

16. "Jeb Bush as Rhett Butler!!" -- yeah, because...

Frankly, my dear, he doesn't give a damn!

:rofl:

Neo-Cons are so pitiful.

:rofl:

Honestly.

:rofl:


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[Sparkly]

18. I wonder if he hangs out at Belle Watley's house of ill repute?

:rofl:

[Totally Committed]

23. Nah... he's a big man with a new, young fiancee...

from CNN -- what's her name? Darren Kagan.

Why isn't he home getting jiggy with her instead of getting nasty about an alpha-male retired General? Maybe he's waiting for his stiffy-pill refill to come by mail-orer.

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[Sparkly]

26. Maybe he caught Daryn watching Fox lately.

He's jealous.

[Totally Committed]

24. Self-delete -- double post

Why is this happening?

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[Vickers]

11. Rush implying Wes Clark is "effete" ?????

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

I would love to see him say it to Clark's face.

[Leilani]

19. Ashley Wilkes was an intellectual

& the people who listen to Oxymoron are afraid of intellectuals.

If the people start "thinking" it would be a dangerous thing.

[Totally Committed]

22. Actually, when people think...

the Democrat wins.

Uh... look out!

I smell symmetry! :rofl:


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[delete_bush]

27. One of the many things I find to be odd about

the repukes, this fear of thinking. My impression is that the repukes consider themselves to be the party of logic, while we are driven by emotion. The sexual implications were always in the background as well, as in the feminization of the American male by liberals.

And yet in reality they are nothing more than emotional cheerleaders for this administration, nothing more than driveling hypocrites reduced to ad hominem attacks on any who oppose them. Little whimpering scaredy cats afraid to debate the issues based on fact.

Wes should take a page out of Zel's book and challenge Rush-a-billy to a duel.

[Totally Committed]

31. I'd pay to see that!

Wes could kill that warthog with his bare hands. Who'd be the "wimp" then? Actually, Wes could probably kill him in a spelling bee...

:rofl:

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[Gloria]

34. Yes, Ashley Wilkes was rather a "thinker" with a melancholy streak...

honorable until he smooched Scarlett, I guess....Always reminded me of Olivier's Hamlet (done about 10 years later)

[Ikonoklast]

21. Is that ALL that Gasbag got?

It is too funny. I hope that Mr. Pimple just keeps on spewing more idiotic nonsense, that way more and more will see him as the drug-addled fool incapable of rational thought or speech that he is.


You only have to ask the question of all the Rethug Chickenhawks: Who would you rather be in a foxhole with, Gen. Clark or (fill in the blank with ANY of the numerous Yellow Elephants)? You will get a funny answer, I'm sure.

[CarolNYC]

28. He certainly does seem threatened by the General.

It seems he's been bashing him a bit since the Faux gig strated...I like that, the thought that Clark threatens Rush and all he stands for. :)

BTW, I really like that picture of Clark. I hadn't seen it before.

[MODemocrat]

40. I think Rush has a sexual fantasy about Wes Clark

or any other handsome man as far as that's concerned. Who do the pubs have that are even half way good looking? I haven't seen any.
Rush thou do protest too much!!

[Catrina]

29. *lol* ~ I think Rush is slipping

Isn't he insulting the South by denigrating Ashley Wilkes?

And after all, he couldn't compare himself, Bush, Cheney, Wolfy, Delay, or any of the other Chickenhawks to Ashley Wilkes ~ Ashley Wilkes put on a uniform and fought in a war ~

As a woman, comparing Rush to Gen. Clark ~ wow, no contest! I think Rush has spent his life feeling inadequate which is why he became dependent on drugs and feels the need to attack men who are attractive to women!

[prvet]

32. Rush Limpdick is running scared.

n/t

[Gloria]

33. I caught the tail end of this yesterday ....Limbaugh then said that

"this proves that Rove was at least 90% right!"

My mother is a freeper and listens to this crap and I just walked buy and heard it....posted to the WC Forum under the thread about his AM appearance yesterday on FAUX, which is where Clark made these comments...

[Jack Rabbit]

35. Ashley Wilkes?

Mr. Limbaugh, I hate to see this happen to anybody. Please get help.

ON EDIT

Also, Mr. Limbaugh, my apologies if you take this post the wrong way. I realize it could easily be taking wrong. I am not being the least bit facetious.

[Totally Committed]

36. Rush also said this:

"40 people dead, It's not a successful terrorist attack, folks".

The man is unhinged, clearly. His ass-cyst has finally become his brain, and is doing his thinking for him.

How can Darren Kagan be in the same room with him and not need a barf bag? Ugh.

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[Starbucks Anarchist]

37. Here's the difference between Clark and Pigboy:

Clark is a 4-star General. Limbaugh is a 4-star asshole.

[Totally Committed]

38. ROTFLMAO!!!!

:rofl:

That is a classic!

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[MODemocrat]

39. Rush is Elmer Fudd

How much fighting has that dope head done for this country? He's a poor excuse for a human being, but we have to keep in mind that Rush is stoned probably 99.9% of the time. :hangover: :hangover: :hangover:

:boring: Rush, you're putting me to sleep with your gibberish.

[MoonRiver]

41. Huh?

OxyContin Limpballs demonstrates he continues to remain in a permanent vegetative state of drugged stupor, yet one more time. :puke:

[DemBones DemBones]

42. Ashley Wilkes represented Family Values. He was

engaged to Melanie when Scarlett decided she wanted him and he spurned her advances. He once kissed Scarlett but he was otherwise faithful to Melanie until her death. I wouldn't count the kiss against him, considering the circumstances (the War, Reconstruction, Scarlett throwing herself at him for ten years or more.)

When Melanie died, Scarlett realized she didn't really want a gentleman like Ashley, she wanted a roue like Rhett Butler.

I don't think Rush knows anything about being a gentleman but he's no Rhett Butlet, either.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

46. That's right - Ashley Wilkes had a moral sense of faithfulness to his wife

and honored his marriage vows. Wilkes was willing to put his life on the line for his cause, however misguided the cause of the South might have been. Rhett Butler was a man with no honor or sense of obligation to anyone but to himself (although he did change into a decent family man towards the end). Initially, Butler was a war profiteer and blockade runner. I guess it's no surprise that Rush would prefer a war profiteer over a man willing to risk his life for the cause he believed in.

[bobbieinok]

44. Leslie Howard also played the title role in The Scarlet Pimpernel

a foppish Regency nobleman in reality is a spy who smuggles out potential victims of the guillotine from France

he also starred in a 'modern' (early 40s) remake of the film

and a movie about an aircraft designer

he died on a plane shot down by the Nazis...the plane was not diverted (although the British knew it was targeted) because alerting the plane would inform the Nazis that the British had broken their code

Howard was my favorite actor when I was younger, that's why I know so much about him.......also in the relatively early days of TV, a lot of 'old' movies were shown in the late afternoon....many starred Howard

I was furious that the British could have saved him and didn't....now I better understand the demands of war

I think a prominent US woman singer was also on the plane shot down.....and didn't the British also know Coventry was a target and decided not to put in extra protection because doing so would reveal that they had broken the Nazi code???

[brentspeak]

45. I wish someone would leak Rush's complete medical file

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[susanna]

47. Now that you mention it...

"Is there a scene in Gone With the Wind in which Ashley advocates a therapy session or meeting with the Yankees?"

No, not quite. He does realize that going to war is a fool's errand. He does fight, of course, since his way of life depends on it. But he's a realist and knows what war is; he wishes the Yankees would let the South go without bloodshed.

(The scene is early in the movie and takes place at the Twelve Oaks barbecue when the men retire to the study to talk of the coming war. Just before Scarlett throws the cupid at the fireplace in the study.)

On edit: the Wesley Clark and Ashley Wilkes comparison is yet more code-speak to a base that has lost all reason.

[Sparkly]

50. "Code-speak to a base that has losts all reason" -- Absolutely.

"Support the troops!" "We love the military!" "We respect our soldiers!"

Uh, unless of course, they're Democrats -- in which case, we prefer lazy, trust-fund chickenhawks who've never seen combat, but by God, they sure do TALK tough!! HOO-rah!!

[snowbear]

48. WHOOOOOOOOO CARES ??????

Seriously.

WTF CARES what the scumbag says? :wtf:

Why disperse his filth here?

WHY????????

[Sparkly]

49. Why? Three reasons.

1. Partly to see if anyone's heard it before, and if not, to make people aware it's going around. (I learned that it's an old meme, not a new one.)

2. Partly to figure out what they're trying to do with this meme -- apparently, it's about portraying the Four-Star, Silver Medal, Purple Heart, former SACEUR as a "wimp."

3. Partly to make fun of it, and have others do the same -- along with responding in other ways -- to prepare a response. And I think the posts here have been great on all counts.