so, when will Patrick J. Fitzgerald have his deadly heart attack?

[Logiola]

since the death while joggin was already done in the uk.. or will it be something more creative?

[robertpaulsen]

1. OH NO! A CONSPIRACY THREAD!

BAN IT! BAN IT! BAN IT!

CENSOR! CENSOR! CENSOR!

:sarcasm:

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[jmaier]

5. I'm not in favor of banning

I say let idiots stand up and be counted.

[robertpaulsen]

6. Apparently, speculation is like Rumsfeld's definition of freedom.

And we don't want to look bad, do we? That might give us the reputation of being too far out of the mainstream, i.e. "Underground".

:sarcasm:

[brentspeak]

9. Funny, but you're comparing apples with oranges

This kind of thread has some facts to it, something real to consider: for example, the three Democrat plane crashes. It's impossible to not wonder about the possibility of politically-motivated assasinations, even though we don't have any evidence. Things like prosecutors getting offed have happened before.

But the Pancake Theories? Not in the same ballpark. (I'm not in favor of censoring them, anyway. I would prefer that less of them and more focus on how we're going to take back the Congress and the WH).

[robertpaulsen]

10. All sarcasm aside, I agree with what you're saying.

And I'm glad you're not one of the Stalinists here who smiles on censorship. Some might look at what you're implying with the three Democrat plane crashes and say you're a loony giving DU a bad image. I say that discussion of any speculation, no matter how kooky, is necessary to separate the shit from shinola. I like to think I know the difference and that I don't hang on to the shit at the expense of shinola, but I'll defend any poster's right to hang on to their shit, even though I may disagree with them. Fuck image, this is democraticunderground.com, not democraticmainstream.com; any name change and I'll have to rethink where I stand.

Now that I've got that out of my system, I think Fitzgerald should be very careful. No sarcasm.

[Bhaisahab]

22. well said. n/t

[FourStarDemocrat]

23. Remember (former CIA head) Bill Casey's quick death by brain cancer?...

at the height of the Iran Contra scandal's invetigation back in the '80's. I always found that just a little curious as well.

[Eloriel]

24. Interested in a few other curiosities?

and coincidences? I have a few for you:

It's Been Two Years Since Paul Wellstone Was Assassinated By Bush Junta
Mr. Bill 25 Oct 2004 08:31 GMT
http://newswire.indymedia.org/en/newswire/2004/10/812632.shtml

snip

Wellstone now joins the ranks of other American politicians who died in small plane crashes. Another recent victim was Missouri's former Democratic governor, Mel Carnahan, who lost his life in 2000, three weeks before Election Day, during his Senatorial race against John Ashcroft. Carnahan went on to become the first dead man to win a Senatorial race, humiliating and defeating the unpopular Ashcroft posthumously. Ashcroft, despite his unpopularity, went on to be appointed Attorney General by George W. Bush. Investigators determined that Carnahan's plane went down due to "poor visibility."

Carnahan was the second Missouri politician to die in a small plane crash. The first was Democratic Representative Jerry Litton, whose plane crashed the night he won the Democratic nomination for senate in 1976. His Republican opponent ultimately captured the seat from his successor in November.

While an article in the New York Times on Saturday pointed out the danger politicians face due to their heavy air travel schedules, the death of a senator or member of Congress is still relatively rare, with only one other sitting U.S. Senator, liberal Republican John Heinz, dying in a plane crash since World War II. Heinz, who entered office as an outspoken opponent of the Vietnam War, later emerged as a strong proponent of health care, social services, public transportation and the environment. He also urged reconciliation with Cuba. He died when the landing gear on his small plane failed to function, and a helicopter dispatched to survey the problem crashed into his plane.

One former senator, John Tower, also died in a small plane crash. Tower was best known as the chair of the Tower Commission, which investigated the Reagan/Bush era Iran/Contra scandal.

Another member of a prominent government commission who died in a small plane crash was former Democratic representative and House Majority Leader Hale Boggs. Boggs was best known as one of the seven members of the Warren Commission, which investigated the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. The commission found that Lee Harvey Oswald was acting alone when he killed the president. Boggs, it turns out, had "strong doubts" that Oswald acted alone, but went along with the commission findings. Later, in 1971 and 1972, he went public with his doubts. He was presumed dead after the small plane carrying him and Democratic Representative Nicholas Begich disappeared in 1972.

-- more at link --

More re LARRY MCDONALD, HALE BOGGS
JFK Murder Solved
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/bush3.htm


DANNY CASALARO
DEAD RIGHT by John Connolly
Spy Magazine, January 1993
http://www.american-buddha.com/dead.right.htm#DEAD%20RIGHT

GARY WEBB
The Mysterious Suiciding of Gary Webb.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3762453

January 5, 2005
A Cuban Perspective on Gary Webb
The Journalist Who Exposed the Crimes of Luis Posada Carriles
By JEAN-GUY ALLARD
(Peter Goss had ruled Gary Webb's CIA/Drug trafficking report baseless back in 1970s)
http://www.counterpunch.org/allard01052005.html

STEVE KANGAS
Articles about Kangas' death (mostly rightwing)
http://www.politicalamazon.com/articles.html

DEAD MICROBIOLOGISTS
The Mystery Of The Dead Scientists; Coincidence Or Conspiracy? By Ian Gurney, 7-20-3
http://rense.com/general39/death.htm

LONG master list of scientists, microbiologists with odd demises
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3250686

PAUL WELLSTONE
Wellstone assassination technology revealed
(See post #31 Seemslikeadream for Patty Murray's speech on floor re Asbestos Bill mentioning Paul Wellstone;
see Post #71 for a great response to demands for "proof" of the allegations re Wellstone's murder)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3199413
Link: http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/FutureTech/story?id=538452&page=1

Was Paul Wellstone Murdered?
by Michael Niman
http://www.corporations-suck.com/CKs/Niman/WasPaulWellstoneMurdered.shtml

It's Been Two Years Since Paul Wellstone Was Assassinated By Bush Junta
http://newswire.indymedia.org/en/newswire/2004/10/812632.shtml
Was Paul Wellstone Murdered?
By Michael I. Niman, AlterNet. Posted October 28, 2002.
http://www.alternet.org/story/14399

Latest government report on Wellstone 'accident' finds its scapegoats, many questions remain
By: Jackson Thoreau - 12/30/03
http://www.liberalslant.com/jt123003.htm

MISC and ALL
Madsen: End of Year Update on Investigation (read down for Body Count info)
http://jamboi.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/31/175217/25


Bush FamilY Evil Empire (pasted on "Refuge from Whitewash" message baord (includes list of body count victims):
http://p206.ezboard.com/fblackhaventhalessons.showMessage?topicID=657.topic

Remember the first Pope John Paul?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3412165#3413613


Know your BFEE: Dead Men Tell No Tales
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3389867

Six Killed in Plane Crash in Central Pa. (Dems) (speculative)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1345152&mesg_id=1345152

Bush Death List
http://www.georgewalkerbush.net/bushdeathlist.htm

Bush Body Count - Death By Association
http://www.guerrillafunk.com/thoughts/doc545.html

The List
http://www.bushbodycount.com/list.php?catid=18&blogid=2
Home: http://www.bushbodycount.com/

DEAD RIGHT (re Danny Casalaro) by John Connolly
Spy Magazine, January 1993
http://www.american-buddha.com/dead.right.htm#DEAD%20RIGHT

Articles about Kangas' death (mostly rightwing)
http://www.politicalamazon.com/articles.html

Was Paul Wellstone Murdered?
by Michael Niman
http://www.corporations-suck.com/CKs/Niman/WasPaulWellstoneMurdered.shtml

It's Been Two Years Since Paul Wellstone Was Assassinated By Bush Junta
Mr. Bill 25 Oct 2004 08:31 GMT
http://newswire.indymedia.org/en/newswire/2004/10/812632.shtml

Wellstone Was Bush's Number One Enemy
From Greg Hurley, 10-25-2
http://rense.com/general31/wells.htm

DejaVu: The Bush Gang Rides Again
http://www.winterboy.com/dejavu.html

The Mysterious Suiciding of Gary Webb.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3762453

January 5, 2005
A Cuban Perspective on Gary Webb
The Journalist Who Exposed the Crimes of Luis Posada Carriles
By JEAN-GUY ALLARD
(Peter Goss had ruled Gary Webb's CIA/Drug trafficking report baseless back in 1970s)
http://www.counterpunch.org/allard01052005.html

Another reporter "suicided"???????
Kevin Carmody, reporter who covered asbestos and environment
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3263153

JFK Murder Solved
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/bush3.htm

The Bushy Knoll
http://www.lizmichael.com/bushykno.htm

CHRONOLOGY OF MURDERS, SUSPICIOUS DEATHS, APPARENT SUICIDES, DISAPPEARANCES, AND ATTEMPTED MURDERS
http://www.daywilliams.com/chronology_suspicious.html

Another reporter "suicided"???????
Kevin Carmody, reporter who covered asbestos and environment
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3263153

Was Bolton behind death of State Department official (John Kokal)?
By Wayne Madsen
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/042105Madsen/042105madsen.html

[FourStarDemocrat]

25. Thanks, that's quite a list you have there! nt

[jaysunb]

3. You'd the spooks to carry out that ops

and they are the ones helping him.
He's safe......

[BrklynLiberal]

4. Fall in shower? His dog will maul him to death? He will suffocate in his

mashed potatoes during dinner?

[LibertyorDeath]

18. Ok now you've gone and done it. Change of plans people

ixnay on the "He will suffocate in his mashed potatoes during dinner?"

:)

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[NMDemDist2]

8. Very funny everyone. n/t

[Broken Acorn]

11. Don't forget about the Magic Bullet Theory

That obviously happened according to the Warren Commission.

[Southsideirish]

12. Or stroke.

[bklyncowgirl]

13. He'll go canoeing and drown.

Sort of like former CIA chief William Casey--or was he the one who died of a stroke right in the hospital before he was supposed to testify about Iran Contra.

It's hard work keeping these conspiracies straight.

[AlwaysQuestion]

14. Governments are unabashed liars PERIOD

With all the bloody lying that governments at all levels engage in DAILY, I have no reason to believe a thing they say. Thus, all conspiracy theories to my way of thinking are those perpetrated by governments upon their populaces. In that regard I'm a conspiracy theorist and rightly proud of that designation. Rightly proud.

[borlis]

15. I think it will be a suicidal bullet to the back of the head.n/t

[PurityOfEssence]

16. Nah. Rat shot. He's been very depressed of late...

Baxterization is a sad, sad thing.

[Gregorian]

17. A round of pardons for all...

He's got nothing to worry about. Bush has a wildcard.

[LibertyorDeath]

19. Fitzgerald will have his deadly heart attack while driving to dinner

with a world renowned microbiologist.

The car will crash there will be no survivors.

Just another terrible "accident"

[tandem5]

20. Let's not give them ideas ok?! nt

[roguevalley]

21. Some backstory about Miller and Fitzgerald

The Miller/Fitzgerald Backstory

http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/7/7/1148/62336

By Josh Marshall

From: Politics

Don't forget: This isn't the first time Plame prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald has tangled with Judy Miller while investigating a leak out of the Bush White House.

A little more than a year ago, I reported on TPM how Fitzgerald had quite aggressively investigated another Bush White House leak in late 2001 and early 2002. Fitzgerald had been investigating three Islamic charities accused of supporting terrorism -- the Holy Land Foundation, the Global Relief Foundation, and the Benevolence International Foundation. But just before his investigators could swoop in with warrants, two of the charities in question got wind of what was coming and, apparently, were able to destroy a good deal of evidence.

What tipped them off were calls from two reporters at the New York Times who'd been leaked information about the investigation by folks at the White House.

One of those two reporters was Judy Miller.


Jul 07, 2005 -- 01:14:08 AM EST

Now, the way I found out about all this originally was entirely fortuitous. While reporting on a completely unrelated story, I was interviewing a Washington foreign policy hand. And after some time talking we get to exchanging notes and speculating about the Plame investigation. My biggest interest was in finding out just how straight a shooter Patrick Fitzgerald was and whether there was reason to think he'd mount a tough and independent investigation, given the fact that he'd been appointed by John Ashcroft's No.2 at the Justice Department.

My conversation partner told me he didn't have much doubt Fitzgerald would be aggressive. And he pointed to his knowledge of the earlier investigation. In his view (though I was never quite clear why), in the earlier case, the folks at the White House had actually had fairly clean hands. But Fitzgerald had gone after them in a big way. (See more details here.)

Given that backstory, he didn't think Fitzgerald would go easy on the White House if there was a case to be made. And largely on that basis, I've always assumed Fitzgerald's inquiry would be the real thing.

Now, what does it all mean?

Hard to say.

Certainly, one plausible way of reading the facts, though not the one I'm inclined toward, is that Fitzgerald's got it in for Miller. She blew an earlier case he was working on. And now he's going to stick it to her on this one.

Or perhaps there's another explanation. Maybe there's something Fitzgerald knows about Miller's working relationships with particular figures at NSC or on the White House staff that made him fix on her, despite the fact that she never even wrote on the story.

Of course, maybe it's just a weird coincidence, though it'd be quite a coincidence.

In any case, with all the heat bearing down right now on this story, I'm more than a little surprised this connection hasn't gotten more attention.

[silvershadow]

26. I am sure it will be a suicide. He has been

awfully depressed and despondent lately.