Blair rejects call for probe into bombings!!!! We've heard THIS before:

[NoSheep]

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/8186face-f17a-11d9-9c3e-00000e2511c8.html

Tony Blair will on Monday reject Conservative demands for a government inquiry into last week's London bomb attacks, insisting such a move would distract from the task of catching the perpetrators.


:kick:

[marmar]

1. To our British friends: Be vigilant!

Demand a probe. Don't let the UK become like the United Fascist States of America. Things are sounding eerily similar - follow the Spanish example, not ours!

:scared:

[leesa]

2. Absolutely, almost the same words too. We must move forward...don't want

to cast any blame, blah, blah, blah...Add to this that they were running mock terror scenarios of bombs on transit lines at the time of the bombings. Just what Norad was doing on 9-11...mock terrorist attacks involving planes flying into buildings. What GREAT cover! Sort of explains the white men seen planting bombs, doesn't it?
Also, someone made a ton of money again on stock trades effected by the bombs, just like 9-11.

Isn't this all just a fabulous coinkydinky?

[The Magistrate]

10. As A Matter Of Fact, Ma'am

The "Independent" article made no mention whatever of white men seen planting bombs: it simply stated the police were exploroing, among many other avenues of investigation, a theory that Bosnian Muslims may have been the operatives, ot the rem,ote possibility of hired help. It si interestinmg to observe how quickly a thing goes from such a report to a stated certainty of fact that has no warrant whatever in any report....

[NoSheep]

19. uh, Mod? could you use the spell check?

[The Magistrate]

54. As Mr. Twain Said, Ma'am

"I have little respect for a fellow who can spell a word just one way."

[NoSheep]

60. I do remembah thayat suh. And it is kahwite funeh if I do say so myself!

:D

[autorank]

3. Yes, and the little dictator who runs DKOS was kicking people off

for suggesting that there was something very wrong with the bombings. I'm sure the DKOS dictator would support Tony bLiar on this too. Fascism come in various disguises.

Here is what bothered me. First, the people were just trying to get to work. They were not making a political statement. What insanity. Second, I was troubled by bLiar's statement about the insanity of "mindless violence against civilians." He is truly vile to say this after supporting that very thing through the invasion of Iraq. He is just a POS who lies about everything.

I think that the bombers in London are people on their own special wave length, much like the American Tali ban (extremists who think it's OK to shoot doctors, etc.) They'll do their thing anyway but our behavior counts and the invasion of Iraq was an act of "mindless violence against civilians" regardless of the motivation.

There should be an investigatoin but it will be just like the one that screwed BBS. Britain is locked down as tight as we are.

[SweetLeftFoot]

37. Locked down

Britain has been locked down a lot tighter than you lot for a lot longer. They had 30 years of Provo bombings to practice ... and no land border with the third world.

[SweetLeftFoot]

38. Locked down

Britain has been locked down a lot tighter than you lot for a lot longer. They had 30 years of Provo bombings to practice ... and no land border with the third world.

[NoSheep]

41. So. What do you think about all this?

:hi:

[SweetLeftFoot]

I don't think it was a set up

I think it was good British Muslim kids, sick and tired of seeing their Dad spat on in his shop, sick of being called Pakis, sick of drunks yelling at their sisters when they wore hijab. Kid might have done some time, might have been attracted by the cordite glamour of Finsbury Park mosque etc. There they met a real operator who thought "Here's some useful idiots", fired them up with even more hellfire and crusader/Jew bullshit and was on the Eurostar back to Paris while the fired up kids were planting the bombs.

Blair doesn't want an inquiry because it will probably show that he left London unprotected by hosting the g8 thing - although Old Misery Guts Geldof can probably take some credit for that.

I don't know if you've ever been to London but it is rather strange in that it is so massively aware of terrorism (legacy of the Provo campaign) but, like any Western city, they remain vastly vulnerable.

Yanks tend to think only of Blair through the Bush/Iraq prism. There's far more to it than that.

The simple nature of British cabinet government means that "conspiracies" and "cover ups" like those you talk about in an American context - which I think have some validity - are far harder to conduct.

London is a world city. Like it or not, we are now involved in world war ... much of sparked by our own actions ... and world cities get hit.

I fear for my countrymen up in Sydney in 2009.

[SweetLeftFoot]

48. I don't think it was a set up

I think it was good British Muslim kids, sick and tired of seeing their Dad spat on in his shop, sick of being called Pakis, sick of drunks yelling at their sisters when they wore hijab. Kid might have done some time, might have been attracted by the cordite glamour of Finsbury Park mosque etc. There they met a real operator who thought "Here's some useful idiots", fired them up with even more hellfire and crusader/Jew bullshit and was on the Eurostar back to Paris while the fired up kids were planting the bombs.

Blair doesn't want an inquiry because it will probably show that he left London unprotected by hosting the g8 thing - although Old Misery Guts Geldof can probably take some credit for that.

I don't know if you've ever been to London but it is rather strange in that it is so massively aware of terrorism (legacy of the Provo campaign) but, like any Western city, they remain vastly vulnerable.

Yanks tend to think only of Blair through the Bush/Iraq prism. There's far more to it than that.

The simple nature of British cabinet government means that "conspiracies" and "cover ups" like those you talk about in an American context - which I think have some validity - are far harder to conduct.

London is a world city. Like it or not, we are now involved in world war ... much of sparked by our own actions ... and world cities get hit.

I fear for my countrymen up in Sydney in 2009.

[autorank]

72. I hope it's cleared up by 2009. Your analysis makes more sense

than any I've heard so far.

What troubles me is the difference between the US response to this vile and murderous act and the lack of universal outrage over the Provo bombings, which were ongoing. I don't think it's an outrage for anyone to bomb any city, period; including Bush and bLiar. The world reaction should be consistent outrage, whatever the racial/ethnic configuration of the events.

I hope they deport bLiar. Send him here, he'd get a great radio show and be marginalized forever.

[SweetLeftFoot]

73. Yep

but let's not forget where a lot of the money and materiel for the Provo campaign came from - the USA.

[autorank]

75. I have not forgotten it and it's a point of national shame for us, frankly

Monyhan and Kennedy really stepped up to the plate and, I believe, sincerely opposed this. The people who gave money here were both violating the US law and also basic human decency. There should have been a robust process invoked to stop it and there was not. It was and remains simply shameful.

Now, there is no reason things can't be turned around by 2009. The "oil wars" are just another profit chase for both the defense industries and the energy groups. It's time for each country to nationalize it's energy industry and take the real power away from the delusional mandarins who run these companies and who engage in their pathetic version of real politic. They can't even make it work for goodness sakes.

The major barriers between a peaceful 2009 and our current problems are embodied by bLiar and Bush and those backing them. They truly are the gang that couldn't shoot straight and they need to be put to pasture.

Good luck.

[SweetLeftFoot]

78. Hmmmmmm

While the Provos certainly did some despicable things they were fighting a legitimate war against a brutal occupying power. People remember the bombs in pubs but they forget the 13 killed in Derry on Bloody Sunday, the 9 year old girld killed with rubber bullets, the lies, the torture, the murder of the Brits.

It was a nasty, vicious horrid thing and I am glad it looks like it at least peaceable for a while. But I can't really blame Irish Americans for donating money and weapons, especially in the 70s.

[autorank]

82. You don't need to blame them. I will. I'm tired of personalized foreign

policy in the US. It's ridiculous and mindless violence, anywhere by anyone, it truly despicable. The very same rationale against the Provos could be applied by the British troops who ostensibly went there to keep the Catholics from getting slaughtered. Seriously, who would have protected them, Ireland? The cycle of violence is stopped, IMHO, when it's identified as being unacceptable at any point in the cycle. That doesn't mean you lay down and get slaughtered, but when you can hold it down at any level, particularly supporting terrorism or state terrorism (which would cover both sides of the No. Ireland and Iraq situations), then there is a chance for people to successfully ride from home to work and have their employers underpay them and take there jobs to third world countries for a fraction of the cost. It's a grand life if you don't falter.

[Benbow]

91. Bollocks - total piffle - NI citizens voted in UK general elections

NI citizens out of work got paid UK employment benefit and other State benefits. Doesn't sound brutal to me. Are the US occupying forces paying unemployment benefit to out-of-work Iraqis - thought not.

Where are you based, so-called SweetLeftFoot? Do you actually know anyone in Northern Ireland? More people were killed by Irish Republican terrorist acts in NI than by British troops - remember Omagh? Knee-capping is a uniquely IRA punishment: do you call that brutal or not?

You know FA.

[autorank]

102. Thanks Benbow. We all need this reminder.

[SweetLeftFoot]

104. Well

Northern Irish citizens were also denied housing rights and jobs by the Protestant apartheid state - that was actively backed by the British state.

And yes smart arse, I have been to Ireland, I have lived in the north, I do "know" people there. Some of them are even my relatives.

Knee capping is certainly brutal - if the equally brutal RUC wasn't a sectarian based organisation that had different laws for different citizens, nationalists wouldn't have had to organise into groups like the IRA.

I find it amazing that so many British people can be opposed to occupation and authoritarian behaviour when Britian itself maintains an occupation of its closest neighbour, an occupation marked by bloodshed and slaughter on a terrific scale.

Last time I was in the north - late last year - I saw that the towers filled with mikes and cameras are still there, spying on nationalist areas. The helicopters still hover a treetop height and the Loyalist murder gangs are still not being made to disarm,

So where are you based so-called Benbow? (I can almost smell the quivering chinned outrage of a Pommy from here ...)

[Cha]

113. And just why should we

trust tony? His Major Lying help get us into the Iraqi Tragedy!

blair cannot be trusted.

I bet George Galloway has some choice thoughts on the investigation of the bombings.

[autorank]

122. ...not trusted, of course, that's why they call him Tony bLiar!

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[Clark2008]

6. Holy Mother of God!

OK - that's it. I'm taking the fucking tin foil hat off because this isn't tin foil hat shit anymore.

And this is AP via Yahoo, hardly a conspiracy web site.

Thanks for point this out, NoSheep. The clouds are parting and I hope soon they'll part for the rest of the sheeple.

[NoSheep]

9. Power to the People!!!!

I don't need a picture drwn for me...y'know?"

[SweetLeftFoot]

40. Who's to say

the bombers didn't have a mole well placed who could have told them that. The IRA used to specialise in recruiting high placed agents who could tell them exactly when and where "major" events or identities would be or happening. This was possible because of the massive Irish immigration to Britain. These people had English accents and were "clean" ... but hadn't forgotten their history. Given Britain's large Muslim population, whose to say there aren't a few well placed individuals who got sick and tired of watching the death in Iraq and decided to do similar?

[NoSheep]

47. You speak from native experience.

Are you saying the 'mole" (perhaps) planned to bomb on the "exercise" day?

[SweetLeftFoot]

50. Why not?

It would have caused even more confusion, embarrased the government and given conspiracy theorists ample ammo.

If you look at some of the IRA ops where they were using inside info, you'll see what I mean.

[NoSheep]

61. You raise an important POV. We shall see.

:hi:

[Old and In the Way]

95. Can I ask a question?

Assuming the terrorists are of ME origin-

I heard on a TV news report that the bombings occured in stations/tubes that were located in close proximity to working class neighborhoods that have substantial ME populations....is that true? If so, why would they choose targets that would most likely affect their own? Why not bomb targets associated with the financial/governmental districts of London? That would seem to be the logical attack points for terrorists seeking revenge against the actions of the British government.

[Tom Bombadil]

96. London itself is a huge cosmopolitan city

with a large muslim population and many tube stations are in ethnically diverse areas.

We need to remember that these terrorists are fanatics. They seek to cause maximum casulaties, to terrorise by mass murder. An attack on London's financial districts might not have the same impact.

[Clark2008]

98. Well, when there were riots in Los Angeles, the people sacked their

own neighborhoods.
And, in Iraq, Muslim Arabs are targeted on a regular basis by the "insurgents."
I don't know that it matters who they're targeting, but rather what is the easiest target, without any thought to who it hurts.

[Old and In the Way]

100. Well, LA was a riot and Iraq is a war zone.

Not sure they are equivalents to this action. A terrorist bombing is planned and I'd think there'd be some thought as to the target (such as the WTC/Pentagon attacks) selection. The choice of location, if it were a ME neighborhood, would not seem the 1st choice of ME terrorists.

[SweetLeftFoot]

107. Those areas

Are massively protected - the City, Canary Wharf - all these places have been bombed before. Similarly, I imagine the idea was to creat as many civilian vasualties as possible and as much confusion.

Most Londoners don't go near these places, but most do travel on the Tube or the buses.

[Geek_Girl]

115. No shit

I'm still wondering wtf Guiliani was doing in London. I was pretty much buying he MSM explanation of the London bombings until I saw his evil ass being interviewed in London the day it happened.

[TreasonousBastard]

46. We have removed the above post because...

it is yet another of perhaps hundreds of references we have seen since Thursday to the Prison Planet article.

The article refers to an AP story that AP itself pulled and corrected later and includes some very "interesting" speculation of its own. We are reviewing just how we will treat references to Prison Planet as a "reliable" news source

We have, in general, been harsh with posts with speculations about Thursday's tragedy. We know that all possible avenues of inquiry should be explored, but right now the little factual information available is being overwhelmed by fanciful speculation, and we are trying to slow this down as much as possible for the time being.

[NoSheep]

49. Cool. Can you give us a reference to what the AP said?

:patriot:

[TreasonousBastard]

53. Ya hadda ask, didn't ya?

:hi:

Give me a little while.

To tell you the absolute truth, I've got to dig it out from somewhere it's buried. We've been dealing with it all weekend and are kind of on "automatic" now.

[NoSheep]

59. No problem.

i wouldn't want misinformation to get in the way of our cause. the truth is all we need. :hi: :thumbsup: :kick:

[The Magistrate]

58. The Initial Report, Ma'am

Came from Israel National News, which attributed it to an Army radio broadcast citing "unconfirmed reliable sources", and stated that moments before an explosion at London, Netanyahu was warned to stay where he was. A.P. picked up the report, and within a coupkle of hours retracted it: it has been denied by both English and Israeli authorities. Netanyahu was scheduled to speak at a location near one of the stations bombed, and after the first reports of explosions, was told not to go there. Some persons have decided to cling to the initial report, because it allows erection of a great conspiratorial scheme in which the English knew and Jews got special favor. They claim the initial report must be the unvarnished truth, and the later discrediting of it mere cover-up, but it is noticeable they do not apply that same logic to the inirial reports of transformer explosions, and insist the subsequent corrected accounts of bombs are a mere cover-up for electrical malfeasance....

[NoSheep]

63. I know precisely what you are speaking of. I heard the report come

out and then it was retracted. I did not realize I was referencing that report. It was my intention to reference the report which alleged there was an "exercise" of a identical nature going on at the exact time of the bombings. I regret if I posed something else in error.

[sadiesworld]

56. I thought the Prison Planet article was based on a BBC

interview? Are you talking about the Peter Power (?) info?

[The Magistrate]

62. That Article, Ma'am

Blends in a number of things, all of which are simply treated as grist for the mill of the fantasy life of the fellow who runs that site. None of them are reported straight, but simply blended into his pre-existing view. The simulation exercise being run was a simple role-playing eventin which managers were gathered together to rehearse getting reports of chaos and giving orders. It was not a thing in which people pretended to plant bombs and such-like, as he pretends, and could not possibly have provided the slightest cover for anything.

The method of such people is to take a morsel of fact, and bury it beneath an intricate filligree of supposition and distortion, counting on the cedulity and ignorance of an unsuspecting audience in search of marvels and secret knowledge.

[NoSheep]

64. Were you a theater major? Just askin.

;) :toast:

[The Magistrate]

67. No, Ma'am

Not a major of any sort....

"No, you hit him! You naughty moose!"

[NoSheep]

69. Can I quote you?

[NoSheep]

71. Bullwinkle?

[The Magistrate]

74. Fawlty Towers, Ma'am

The moosehead who speaks English....

Though Bul;lwinkle is a favorite as well....

[NoSheep]

79. Gee! I have all that on tape. No matter how many times I watch it

I never get all the humor. Manuel is my personal favorite! Episode: The chef is drunk and they have to go retrieve a meal from another establishment. Fawlty ends up beating his car with a piece of hedge! privet, I'd imagine! Hysterical!

[The Magistrate]

81. "A Gin And Tonic, A Lemon Squash, And A Scotch And Water, PLEASE!"

[NoSheep]

84. Brilliant stuff! I love all the Monty Python folks. Perhaps I should

retire to the Lounge. I feel I am wasting space now in GDP. This isn't exactly the Institute of Silly Walks.
No place for a Twit Race, I'd say!

:+

[Pallas180]

119. TB - what's wrong with thinking conspiracy theories on DU ?

I don't understand the desire to shut that kind of thought down.

That's like insisting that one magic bullet made three holes in JFK and Governor Connally. And saying any witness who saw a puff of smoke on the grassy knoll is wacky.

[jojo54]

5. Now, WHO in their right mind wouldn't want a probe????

Answer me that, Tony!

[NoSheep]

7. What The Fuck????

:think:

[Benbow]

94. There is no cover-up - there is a criminal investigation already started

A "public inquiry" is a different animal entirely.

[alittlelark]

8. I HOPE the Britons will not allow the cover-up that we allowed here.

I hope they will DEMAND truth.

[NoSheep]

43. Real Patriots Demand Truth.

:patriot: :patriot:

[CantGetFooledAgain]

11. Oh no, we can't possibly have an inquiry!

Heaven forfend! The distraction! How in the world can we catch the perpetrators while AT THE SAME TIME investigating the circumstances of the bombing itself!

I am getting so sick of these corrupt motherfuckers. Blair, your political career is over.

[NoSheep]

14. Can't AND Won't get fooled again!!!

[Pachamama]

70. Can you imagine if all criminal investigations were handled the way the *

administration & Blair suggest? Can you imagine in murder investigations a homicide detective saying to the family "We must catch the perps, we are pretty certain of who we believe did it, so don't worry, there's no need to take those fingerprints off that blood stained knife... :eyes:

[NoSheep]

80. NoShit. n/t.

[Mnemosyne]

12. Is he insane?!

Sounds sooo familiar.

[NoSheep]

18. Did you check out the link to the "exercises" going on at the SAME time?

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m13556

[Mnemosyne]

26. Sure did, and again I ask...

Is he INSANE??!!!

Gawd, this is so familiar, isn't it?

Makes your head spin and your brain explode.:nuke: :think:

[NoSheep]

30. Celebrate and poke your eye out at the same time. Unreal.

:evilfrown:

[Mnemosyne]

36. Guess he figures it worked for *,

Why not him? :shrug:

Didn't Einstein say that insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result? Where do we put this? They keep doing the same thing and want the same result, no culpability, and they get it!

My brain hurts with each new bunch of BS from Tony or *! :grr:

Think I need to relax. :smoke:

Join me?

[NoSheep]

39. ah, yes dude. Listening to Beck's Mutations . Bass Ale...Ahhhh.

;-) we have each other. We shall overcome!

[Mnemosyne]

42. I believe we shall!

Have a good night NoSheep, nice relaxing with you!:hi: :toast:

[NoSheep]

45. cheers. stay the course.

:toast: :beer:

[uppityperson]

13. Don't they need to figure out who did it before they catch them?

Am I missing something here? No inquiry into who and how, just go get them? What?

[drdtroit]

15. Shhh, mind your own and just go shopping.

:sarcasm:

[NoSheep]

17. lol AND put my own eye out.

;-)

[NoSheep]

16. Irony?

Wouldn't want to insult your intelligence:7

[qanda]

20. No need to let an investigation get in the way

Of making everyone believe it was some terrorists from Iraq. We already know who did it, it was a one-legged Jordanian zombie.

[nashville_brook]

21. since you wouldn't want any CT.... eom

[LibertyorDeath]

22. It's good to see not everyone buys the shit they're selling.

[NoSheep]

24. Perhaps I should change my screen-name to NoShit !?!

:kick:

[LibertyorDeath]

31. Perhaps hyphenated NoSheep - NoShit has a good ring

:)

[NoSheep]

33. Dayum! That bush clown IS branded, isn't he?

:hi: :kick:

[Pallas180]

23. WHAT!!!!

not him too.

[NoSheep]

25. Oh yeah, baby!

(say it in the voice of Austin Powers)

:(

[hedda_foil]

27. MIHOP: The Sequel?

[JRob]

28. Good... Keep it up assholes, eventually the people will say WTF!?

[Pooka Fey]

29. WTF??? Tony bLiar: An inquiry now would be a "ludicrous diversion"

<snip>
As police and security services on Sunday continued searching for the bombers - thought to be Islamist terrorists - Downing Street said the prime minister believed an inquiry now into the outrage which killed at least 49 people would be a "ludicrous diversion."

Instead, in a statement to the Commons on Monday following last week's Group of Eight summit, Mr Blair is expected to focus on the direction the government must take to ensure future terrorism is defeated.
<snip>
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/8186face-f17a-11d9-9c3e-00000e...
:scared::wtf::scared:

[NoSheep]

35. Good info Pooka Fey. i think deja vu is in order.

:eyes: :wtf: :kick:

[Pooka Fey]

44. Well now, NoSheep, Ah'm not afearin' to venture down thar tah tha

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[FreedomAngel82]

51. I'm sure he will....

I'm sure he'll take the right direction. :eyes:

[FreedomAngel82]

32. Very interesting

And yes we have heard this before. Bush didn't want a 9/11 comisssion until he had a lot of pressure from other people and even that's a bunch of crap.

[NoSheep]

34. gosh...they are dumb. c'mon....Blow Job vs. illegal war and conspiracy

against your own country? :freak:

[SnoopDog]

52. I guess nobody cares to investigate crimes anymore. Does this mean

we all can commit crimes...?...as nobody cares to investigate and apprehend the preprtratior...?

So killing 50 people and wounding 700 is ok but jay walking is the crime of the century.

Have we all gone mad?

[NoSheep]

65. Here are some $64,000 questions:

How can you expect a man who runs around on his wife to answer truthfully when you confront him?
Has my personal security been compromised by such an act?
Has national security been compromised by such an action?
What am I to think, in comparison, of our present administration; their actions, their connections and interests?
Yeah..I think the time looks ripe for us all to revert to being robber barons and pirates!

[Benbow]

92. Sigh - there IS A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION IN PROCESS

What the Prime Minister is saying can't happen at the moment is PUBLIC INQUIRY, which is something different. And he is saying that we must not take anyone off the job of capturing the bombers. Makes sense to me, not to spread the expertise and personnel too thinly.

[Catamount]

55. I wonder what Daily Kos will make of this? n/t

[shance]

57. How else does one read this but being obstruction of justice?

He's going to block an investigation?

What person who wants to find the culprits blocks or stops an investigation?

[NoSheep]

66. A guilty person. n/t

[shance]

68. Well, he is definitely sending an invitation out for speculation

and doubt from saying there is no need for a special investigation.

[Benbow]

93. A criminal investigation is under way - a "public inquiry" is different

[ncteechur]

76. Blair just doesn't want it known who screwed the pooch!

[NoSheep]

85. Naturally; and in keeping with the dominant paradigm.

:eyes:

[nadinbrzezinski]

77. Have we heard this song and dance before?

Nah//

[NoSheep]

83. It's a repeat (command) performance.

:eyes:

[tandem5]

86. That makes perfect sense to me...

Yes. Perfect sense... Perfect sense. It's all starting to click.

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

And I'm going to my happy place... my happy place...

Axis of... evil! Yeah that's it! I understand that there are like three of them - like dimensions x, y, and z. I shall call x Iraq, y shall be Iran, and z... z will be Palau. And there is a coalition... of the smelly? No that's not it... of the willing! Yes! And there are monkeys... or it's headed by a monkey... or something (I don't really remember that part). And Bush... wait is that his name? He liberates people from... life? No.. wait he's pro life! That's right - pro life. So that means he's for it... life - for life! And.. there's something else that he's for... spraying... sprinkling... spreading! Yes that's it! Spreading! Okay... don't help me. He's for spreading... freckles! No. Shit! I mean freedom! Yes freedom! To whom? What? Wait no... Oh shit! I read it wrong it says *Blair* and not Bush "rejects call for blahbidity blah blah..." Who the fuck is Blair? Oh you mean from "The Facts of Life" TV show? Okay... I'm going to say the same thing I said about Tom (hunk O' licious) Cruise - keep celebrities out of politics! Oh wait! Damn it! Except for Ah-nold! He rocks! :headbang:

[NoSheep]

87. Can I get a witness?

:applause: :rofl: :popcorn: :applause: :rofl: :popcorn: :applause: :rofl: :popcorn: :applause:

[TheGoodCitizen]

88. Why would he not want to investigate?

[Al-CIAda]

89. War games on 9/11, bombing 'exercises' on 7/7? My, my...and

no investigation here either?

Nothing to see here, move along.

[Tom Bombadil]

90. Personally I can't stand Blair

for obvious reasons but in this case I have to agree with him. We can investigate later but right now the police and security services are desperate to catch these loonies before they strike again!

Terrorists are most likely young British born Muslims, and therefore difficult to detect, inspired by Bin-Laden and radicalised on the streets of Britain.

[1932]

97. Jesus, Tories. Give them a chance to run the investigation first...

...so that you have a chance to complain about something.

[Walt Starr]

99. More whacko conspiracy theories over the status quo

The law enforcement investigation MUST proceed prior to any parlimentary investigation, otherwise you run the risk of tipping off the terrorists and them getting away.

:eyes:

[Justice]

101. I don't disagree - no probe now, conduct criminal investigation now

The real failure of the Bush administration was not pursuing the ones who planned 9/11. The probe was important, particularly in planning for the future. However, if Blair is doing a proper criminal investigation - that is what is most important.

I do question why there was no intelligence, no warning, no chatter about this attack - and a probe would uncover whether that was true.

However, right now, let Blair conduct the criminal investigation and make sure he pursues that.

[shance]

103. How would a government inquiry impede an investigation?

This makes no sense.

[Tom Bombadil]

106. Because anti-terrorist police officers, MI5 agents and security

officials would be called upon to give evidence to an inquiry at a time when they are desperately needed in the manhunt for the terrorists.

There may well be an inquiry eventually, but not now, and for good reason. Were Americans demanding an inquiry into 9/11 four days after it happened?

[shance]

109. "Desparately needed in the manhunt?" Is that like Osama Bin Laden?

I wish I did, but I see no legitimate reasoning in your post.

And you BET people, namely New Yorkers and Jersians, were asking for an inquiry. They asked and they asked and they demanded and they asked. And the White House stalled and stalled and hedged and avoided and STALLED.

They finally got an Inquiry which was not a legitimate inquiry in the eyes of Americans because it was not an Independent Council.

[Tom Bombadil]

111. Were New Yorkers and

Jersians demanding a government inquiry a mere 4 days after 9/11, when they were still numb and in shock?

As regards to Osama, you cannot compare the two manhunts. Bin Laden never set foot on US soil and was not directly involved whereas the 7/7 terrorists are most likely still at large in the UK and plotting their next massacre.

[Chomp]

105. The conspiracy theorising...

...in this thread is deeply, deeply distatseful. It is making me absolutely insane with rage.

If you think that Tony Blair and the Britsh government (with the support of British special/security services) planned/executed this then you are pitifully deluded. You simply do not understand the nature of Blair, the Labour Party or the way that public/political life is conducted in the UK. You are clueless about these matters and should not fill the knowledge-vacuum with your own dark imaginings. Anyone who is serious about understanding the way the world is working at the moment will quickly walk away from this bull.

And apart from anything else, it is an affront to people who die in these atrocities to get a collective hard-on speculating wildly about how it was all an inside job and how it further re-inforces your own world view. That is turning tragedy into pornography and is shameful.

It is also deeply illiberal.

And before people declare a cover-up, please take time to at least understand what a "public enquiry" in the UK means. Do you know the sequence of official involvement in UK criminal investigations? Do you consider the Bristsh police to be part of the cover up? The opposition parties? MI5? The press? Did you see the Conservatives effectively withdraw the request in parliament later in the day? Did you see the parliamentary debate? Do you understand ANY of this before spouting?

To denounce this non-decision and howl about cover-ups without even understanding the basics of the story is the absolute height of irreposonsoibility and ignorance.

[Tom Bombadil]

108. Agreed 100%

This conspiracy theory is utter nonsense.

Blair may be duplicitous, and a poodle to Bush, and he certainly committed a monumental blunder in supporting the Iraq War, but everything he ever did, he believed was in the best interests of the British people.

7/7 was the work of Islamic extremists. I understand my country and I know my capital.

[Eloriel]

110. Yeah, and there are millions of Americans who

just "know" their country -- and their leader -- too.

I have no idea who was behind it. But things look mighty damn suspicious at this point. If you don't see that, fine. But don't try to shame ME into not wanting a helluva lot more information before I believe ANYone is innocent.

Blair may be duplicitous, and a poodle to Bush, and he certainly committed a monumental blunder in supporting the Iraq War, but everything he ever did, he believed was in the best interests of the British people.

You think so, huh? If that's true -- if Blair honestly did believe all that he's done has been in the best interests of the British people -- he's in denial, if not delusional. YOU DON'T LIE YOUR CITIZENS INTO WAR and expect that it's in their best interests -- not unless you're a sociopathic Straussian Neocon, of course. They believe it's not just their right but their obligation to lie to the people.

[Tom Bombadil]

112. I'm not saying that Blair

isn't in denial. He's been duped, bribed, cajoled, whatever.. into the arms of the sinnister neo-con movement. He lied his country to war and for that he cannot be forgiven.

But, that does not mean he is involved in a high level cover up of mass murder on behalf of the UK government, as some on these boards have implied.

Quite frankly this conspiracy theory is fucking garbage.

[shance]

116. Again, you are jumping towards accusing those who are simply ASKING

QUESTIONS.

It is individuals like you Tom who are jumping to conclusions and making the knee jerk accusations yourself.

[Eloriel]

117. Now, let's be clear, okay?

But, that does not mean he is involved in a high level cover up of mass murder on behalf of the UK government, as some on these boards have implied.

Who? Where? *I* haven't because that's not what I suspect. So who was it? And if it was "some," then "some" who have questions and suspicions DON'T imply that, right?

Mostly I've seen accumulations of stories that show something other than a presumed "official story," without accusations. Speculations? Perhaps. Accusations? I've seen none, frankly.

So it's really not much of a conspiracy theory yet, is it? Mostly like conspiracy DOUBTS and worries and concerns...and okay, a bit of speculation, perhaps, but just a bit.

You have to admit some of the facts that have been uncovered DO lead to a thirst for further information, and especially those that don't necessarily support the Official Story, don't they?

So tell me, did David Kelly really kill himself in that unlikely place in that awkward, totally counterintuitive way? Or am I engaging in untoward, "fucking garbage" conspiracy theory to even ask? (And PLEASE note, there are no accusations inherent in the question -- implied or overt. It's just a question.)

[Tom Bombadil]

123. I agree, it's good to ask questions and there

should always be a thirst for more info, but I judge each case on its merits.

In the case of the London bombings, some people at DU were doubting the official story before there even was one. It is this knee jerk reaction that I opposed.

Re. David Kelly, yes I believe his death was highly suspicious. As for the London bombings, I believe the official police statement to be correct.

Unless anyone can prove otherwise?

[NoSheep]

118. Ditto! Blair is a known liar.

Real patriots demand truth. I will always question the ethics and motivations of a known liar

[shance]

114. Wow.

You are making a racist statement Tom without anything to back up what you're saying.

That's pretty shameful to accuse those that may and probably at this point have absolutely nothing to do with this crime.

[Tom Bombadil]

121. So Shance,

If I'm proved right, that this was the work of Muslim terrorists then will my statement still be racist?

No doubt whatever the police discover, you'll still believe there was some sort of cover up by the establishment.

[Pallas180]

120. Ahem. Did you read the Online Times UK-Tony asking for special powers?

funny . That;s how we got the Patriot Act after 9 11 taking away
civil rights from Americans and destroying what is written in the
Constitution and Bill of Rights.

What a coincidence.