You "out" a gay person. You BLOW THE COVER of a CIA agent!!

[ClassWarrior]

When you call it an "outing," you turn Plame from an agent of the USA into a surrogate lesbian. Don't unwittingly advance the Radical RW agenda by adopting their language!!

NGU.

[ailsagirl]

1. Good point. The wording is very important. n/t

[smartvoter]

2. You are absolutely right. nt

[ClassWarrior]

3. kicking for the language

:kick:

NGU.

[MO_Dem]

4. Great point!

We need to be alert to these tricks of language that the repigs try to use to shape the minds of the sheeple.

[mourningdove92]

5. On AAR the other day they were calling it

"ratting" out a CIA agent.

I liked it.

[NAO]

6. According to GHW Bush, you BETRAY THE TRUST, are an INSIDIOUS TRAITOR

Quoting George Herbert Walker Bush, 1999:

"Even though I'm a tranquil guy now at this stage of my life, I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who BETRAY THE TRUST by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most INSIDIOUS OF TRAITORS."

[MO_Dem]

7. Remember Ari Fleischer's admonishment

that everybody needed to watch what they say? Won't it be fun if it turns out Ari was one of the leakers that blew the cover of a CIA agent while we were at war?

(I like your idea and I'm taking every opportunity to use your phrasing!)

[ClassWarrior]

8. Language matters.

:thumbsup:

NGU.

[ClassWarrior]

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[ArkDem]

10. Wrong

v. out·ed, out·ing, outs
v. intr.
To be disclosed or revealed; come out: Truth will out.


I don't think the gay culture has ownership of the words. Look in ANY dictionary.

[ClassWarrior]

11. Obviously you don't understand the emotional impact of language.

NGU.

[ArkDem]

15. I do understand the correct usage of English. Emotional

impact my ass.:smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke:

[ClassWarrior]

16. Well then you're all set to write a college essay.

But I sure would never look to you to write a persuasive speech.

NGU.

[ArkDem]

21. Well, not persuasive to less that one percent of the readership,

I guess.

[ClassWarrior]

27. Huh?

Did you miss a word? This post isn't clear. Sorry.

NGU.

[Catherine Vincent]

12. Good point. I never thought of that.

[JohnnyBoots]

13. Betray America's trust, Expose a patriot to danger, Vindictively

breach America's wall of security on the front of the war on terror, etc.

[JohnnyBoots]

14. Barney Frank, "Right Wing Hitman"

[fishnfla]

17. I have to disagree

Its an acceptable use of the word. I dont think Timothy Noah is a radical right winger.

http//www.slate.com/id/2122393/

You jumped down my throat for using it too ClassWarrior. I think playing thought and speech cop is wrong.

[ClassWarrior]

18. Sure, it's acceptable usage - but it conjures up the wrong frame.

And the Noah article just demonstrates the magic of framing. People who AREN'T Radical RWers unknowingly pass along Radical RW talking points. For more explanation, please read "Don't Think of an Elephant" by George Lakoff.

Also, I'm sorry you got the impression that I "jumped down your throat." I don't recall the incident, but perhaps you mistook my sincere passion for matters of language and communication as aggression. That was definitely not my intent.

Peace.

NGU.

[Roland99]

19. Oh give me a break. It's been called outing for a long time

[ClassWarrior]

20. And I've been asking people to reconsider using it for a long time.

Just because someone's been bashing himself in the head with a hammer for a long time, that doesn't make it smart.

NGU.

[Roland99]

22. But this isn't someone bashing their head with a hammer

You're comparing apples to oranges.

[ClassWarrior]

23. When we keep using language that hurts us and helps the enemy?

Yes, it is bashing our own heads with a hammer.

NGU.

[Roland99]

24. Jesus Christ....

:eyes:

[ClassWarrior]

25. Do you agree that "blowing the cover" is equally acceptable usage?

NGU.

[Roland99]

32. Then people will bitch and moan about oral sex.

Just get over it.

It's BS.

[ClassWarrior]

33. Because if all other things are equal, what could possibly be...

...your motive in arguing all day long against something as ridiculously simple as using a different phrase? Even if there's only a chance that it could help our cause, don't you think it's worth the minimal expense of effort? Or am I missing something here? Hmmmm...

NGU.

[El Fuego]

26. When did "Out" become standard English verb?

I was wondering that.

[gardenista]

28. I still don't agree with you, but I'm glad you posted this thread.

It generates a good discussion.

[ClassWarrior]

31. Agreed.

:thumbsup:

NGU.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

29. I agree - both words could apply but

"blowing her cover" is more descriptive of what took place and damning of it to the ear than mere "outing". I will use the more appropriate term from now on. Thanks.

[gulliver]

30. "Blow the cover" is much better, IMO.

It sounds more like a crime -- which is what it is.

[KeepItReal]

34. Kick

<EOM>

[fishnfla]

35. Its become part of the lexicon of our language

It is used for all sorts of revelations now. I would rather it be done so than just for conotations of sexual preference. Lots of terms begin their journey meaning one thing and progress to other meanings. Its how language works

PS: another great liberal and published author (What Liberal Media?=great book, BTW) guilty of using it in the same context

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3449870/

[ClassWarrior]

36. So has Pro-Life. Should we allow Orwellian language to destroy the truth??

So Eric Alterman is another living example of the insidious beauty of framing. People who AREN'T Radical RWers willingly - and quite unwittingly - advance Radical RW talking points. For more explanation, please read "Don't Think of an Elephant" by George Lakoff. It's inexpensive, a quick read, and it really will change your way of looking at things.

NGU.

[duhneece]

38. Class Warrior has it nailed-

I love "Blowing the cover" & "ratting out."

[Gay Green]

40. Excellent point.

Up to now, I've called it "outing." :blush: