Henry Kissinger, republican Rasputin, PNAC ? ?

[Pallas180]

Henry Kissinger speaking at Evian, France, May 21, 1992 Bilderburg
meeting. Unbeknownst to Kissinger, his speech was taped by a Swiss
delegate to the meeting.


"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful.

This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil.

The one thing every man fears is the unknown.

When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."

[Pallas180]

1. think about it. "whether promulgated or real" willingly give up rights"

to world government.

[NoFederales]

17. I can remember back during the Nixon years when this SOB

was zipping all over the world. One of my favorite cartoons about Kissinger depicted him as a bee bzzzzing wildly all over. As a beekeeper I have often thought that Kissinger was one drone that should have been squished long before his last winter--and someday so he shall.

NoFederales

[rman]

2. interesting, but

source?

For all i know Bilderburgers go to great lengths to not make public what is discussed there.
The only things we are allowed to know is when and where they meet, who are invited, and that they discuss things that are of great importance to the world - but we're not allowed to know the contents of the discussions.
So if this Kissinger quote is correct (which would not surprise me), then presumably someone leaked it. Who originally claimed Kissinger did make that statement?

[Pallas180]

4. read on top of the quote RMAN. google the quotation.

it's been all over ever since he said it. Taped by a Swiss.

[punpirate]

3. No, I don't think so...

... there's a fine, but very distinct, line between the neo-conservatives and Kissinger's brand of politics. Kissinger was the ultimate amoral realist--he would do almost anything to maintain a rough balance of power in the world, as long as the US could maintain its edge over other countries.

The neo-cons, by contrast, are into world domination, and see Kissinger's game-playing as a waste of time. Their attitude is best summed up what they're saying about Iran--better to use American force to bring "democracy" to Iran now, rather than live with the tension of a state unfriendly to the US.

In fact, the neo-cons (led principally by Cheney and Rumsfeld) in the Ford administration were determined to marginalize Kissinger, and they were behind the move to boot him out of his job as National Security Advisor, and to limit his role to Secretary of State (he'd held both positions in Nixon's administration). The neo-cons saw the NSC as the vehicle by which to influence the president on foreign policy, and having Kissinger there would have been to allow another world view to compete with their own.

Cheers.


edit for syntax.

[rman]

5. neocons/PNAC-ers *are* amoral realists

you might know they follow the teachings of Leo Strauss (Wolfowitz amongst others was a pupil of his), who holds such views as

"Those who are fit to rule are those who realize there is no morality and that there is only one natural right, the right of the superior to rule over the inferior".

"A political order can be stable only if it is united by an external threat, if no external threat exists, then one has to be manufactured."

"Perpetual deception of the citizens by those in power is critical because they need to be led, and they need strong rulers to tell them what's good for them."

[punpirate]

7. Oh, I would agree they're amoral...

... but I don't think of them as realists--at least in the political sense of the word--they're actually utopians. They want to dominate it all--that "right of the superior," as Shadia Drury describes it.

Cheers.

[rman]

8. going by that Kissenger quote

he is a proponent of the same methods the neocons use.

You'v got to be pretty self-righteous and highly motivated in obtaining your goals to think that it's ok to "promulgate" an outside threat.

If anything Kissenger is more patient and more carefull then the 'new' neocons, but i see no evidence that he does not want to dominate it all, nor that he does not feel superior to those who stand to be deceived by any kind of promulgation that he supports.

He's basically saying he and his ilk have the right to manufacture threats - is that not an indication that he feels superior to the 'little people'?

[punpirate]

14. Just going by the quote...

... I don't see anything in the language that suggests that Kissinger approves, or disapproves, of this. If it's an accurate quote (and I have doubts about that), it appears to me he is simply stating a political principle (one which was definitely true of Hitler and Germany, for example, and is increasingly true in this country today). I don't see anything to suggest that this is some plan of action, either.

BTW, I can't find the original citation of this. It's widely repeated, but there's no original source. What makes me wonder about the authenticity is the latter part about Los Angeles pleading for their "world government's" help. That has the whiff of the anti-UN reactionary to it, and it sort of defies logic--wouldn't the US come to Los Angeles' defense?

Cheers.

[Pallas180]

19. PunPirate, you miss the point - her refers to ONE WORLD GOVT

which they have been working toward since the 1950's
AND YOU dont get a voice or vote in it...

[punpirate]

21. I don't miss the point...

... I simply dispute the evidence. Every source I can find says "a Swiss delegate taped" this. But, I can't find a name. Can you? Was this published somewhere? I can't find evidence of that, either. Can you?

I'm not deficient in American history because I disagree with your point of view. I knew about Strauss a long time ago. And David Rockefeller. And the University of Chicago. And Allen Bloom, and Martin Feldstein and Wolfowitz, et al. (Just as an aside, Strauss was not the major influence on David Rockefeller. Friedrich Hayek was.)

Look, it's okay if you want to pursue a conspiracy theory, the facts of which most people get wrong.

But, you said that the Trilateral Commission doesn't admit Asians or Africans. Have you looked at their membership lists lately? They say they have over 100 Asian members. One of their executive directors is Japanese.

The Bilderbergers are proto-Nazi world domination freaks? John Edwards was an attendee in 2004. Is he secretly an Aryan fascist?

The CFR is an American institution. I wouldn't expect it to have an international representation.

Most of the people involved in such groups are out to make money on the global economy, as I've suggested.

The neo-conservatives, as represented in the current administration, have been out to create imaginary threats to support the defense industry ever since the end of WWII (there have been three incarnations of the Committee on the Present Danger so far, all of which were closely aligned with what we now call the neo-conservatives and have considerable informal connections to the defense industry--read John L. Boies on that). They're just utopians that believe they can run the world by military force, and to do that requires excessive military spending (and that, happily for the industrialists, puts a lot of money into the hands of the wealthy who promote the interests of the neo-conservatives). The neo-conservatives may actually be interfering with the economic aims of the globalists represented by the Bilderberg Group, et al.

What I don't see is real evidence. The quote you described has been circulated to every nutcase site on the web, but there's no evidence whatsoever (in the terms that most people consider evidence) that Kissinger actually said it. Kissinger's a really nasty bastard, so you want to believe it. But, he's not one of the Straussian neo-conservatives inhabiting the Bush administration today. They don't care for him, as I tried to explain. You can deny that, but I've researched it. The things I described happening in the Ford administration did happen.

The neo-conservatives present in the government today are distinctly obsessed with American exceptionalism, not a one-world government (unless that government is American). They've never been able to tell the truth about anything, and they believe their own lies. That is fundamentally different than the world view of the globalists, who believe that quiet manipulation of markets and trade agreements--pragmatic realism, self-interested as it is--will bring them wealth.

Cheers.

[Pallas180]

11. Punpirate - have you noticed? they've succeeded. Yes Drury and

many others have written the same thing since the 1950's.

One world govt and globalization. It's here.

and have you noticed, we don't have a say in it?

[Henny Penny]

15. Of course they are "realists"....

its just that they create their own reality!!

And unfortunately it is one where the best traits of humanity are seen as weaknesses.

[Pallas180]

9. Sorry, Kissinger was/is member of Trilateral Comm with GHWB

whose plan is one world government,(globalization) because "the common man is not fit to make his own decisions" paraphrased from the founder of The Trilateral Commission, David Rockefeller .

AND, sorry again, but David and Nelson Rockefeller brought over and installed the founder of the Neocons and PNAC as a Professor at the Chicago University, birthplace of the Neocons . Professor Leo Strauss,brought up as Kissinger was, in their formative years in Hitler's Nazi Germany.

You don't seem to know much of the history of this country and its politicians...all has never been what it seemed . A fairly good encapsulation of the politicians installed since WW2 and their connections is truly engrossing. Below the URL is a snippet here about Rockefeller, Strauss, Perle, Wolfowitz, their organizations and how we came to the Iraq war and this state of affairs...but to truly understand, and its almost completely accurate, you should read the whole thing.

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:x_gvBMxx0k0J:www.surfaceonline.org/essayamerica6.htm+Professor+Leo+Strauss+%2B+Rockefeller+Trilateral&hl=en


"The elite inner-circle members of the Bilderberg club, Council on Foreign Relations and Trilateral Commission, conspire to politically, and economically, dominate the entire world under their New World Order, or Globalisation as they now prefer to name it."

"Since the Second World War, Rockefeller’s Council on Foreign Relations has filled key positions in virtually every administration. Since Eisenhower, every man who has won the nomination for either party (except Goldwater in 1964) has been directly sponsored by Rockefeller’s CFR.
Before defining the characteristics of fascism, we should look at the neo-conservatives who run the US government on behalf of the elite. In her book, Leo Strauss and the American Right, <13> Shadia Drury, professor of political theory at the University of Calgary, Canada, names current politicians, political advisers, administration and Supreme Court officials, who were followers of the teachings of the fascist Leo Strauss."

"Leo Strauss (1899- 1973) was a philosopher at the University of Chicago (built by Rockefeller money) where he taught many of those currently involved in the US administration. Strauss left Nazi Germany in 1934 having been given a Rockefeller Foundation bursary and is considered to be the “fascist godfather” of today’s neo-cons.
According to Jeffery Steinberg in Executive Intelligence review <14>: “A review of Leo Strauss’ career reveals why the label ‘Straussian’ carries some very filthy implications. Strauss was an unabashed proponent of the three most notorious shapers of the Nazi philosophy: Friedrich Nietzsche, Martin Heidegger, and Carl Schmitt. Recent biographies have revealed the depth of Heidegger’s enthusiasm for Hitler and Nazism.
“The hallmark of Strauss’s approach to philosophy was his hatred of the modern world, his belief in a totalitarian system, run by ‘philosophers’ who rejected all universal principles of natural law, but saw their mission as absolute rulers, who lied and deceived a foolish ‘populist’ mass, and used both religion and politics as a means of disseminating myths that kept the general population in clueless servitude.”

Professor Shadia Drury <15> provides a fascinating glimpse into the mindset of the neocons “Leo Strauss was a great believer in the efficacy and usefulness of lies in politics. Public support for the Iraq war rested on lies about Iraq posing an imminent threat to the United States - the business about weapons of mass destruction and a fictitious alliance between al-Qaeda and the Iraq regime. Now that the lies have been exposed, Paul Wolfowitz and others in the war party are denying that these were the real reasons for the war.

“The idea that Strauss was a great defender of liberal democracy is laughable. I suppose that Strauss’s disciples consider it a noble lie. Yet many in the media have been gullible enough to believe it. The ancient philosophers whom Strauss most cherished believed that the unwashed masses were not fit for either truth or liberty, and that giving them these sublime treasures would be like throwing pearls before swine… A second fundamental of Strauss’s ancients has to do with their insistence on the need for secrecy and the necessity of lies. In his book Persecution and the Art of Writing, Strauss outlines why secrecy is necessary. He argues that the wise must conceal their views for two reasons - to spare the people’s feelings and to protect the elite from possible reprisals. The people will not be happy to learn that there is only one natural right - the right of the superior to rule over the inferior, the master over the slave… and the wise few over the vulgar many."

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If you care to read the encapsulated history, which is verified by many other articles and writers, it would explain what is happening in this world. Incredible. Hitler tried to take the world over with tanks and bullets. They have done it much more successfully without
spilling much "Aryan" blood. It occurs to me that since Bilderburg nor Trilateral nor CFR allow any Asian or Africans membership in their societies, they are still following the Aryan philosophy.

It's truly disgusting, and that so much of the poplulation can be so stupid as to fall for it.

[rman]

6. ok but i think it won't convince my mom that Kissinger ever said that

(in spite of my mom being rather far left-wing)

you know, anonymous sources and all that.

[Pallas180]

10. Actually this is serious stuff. If you and Mom read the entire

article, click on the URL - you might just see what has occurred, who
is pullling the strings, and what they're up to.

Here's another quote from the article for you. You want to complain about the American media not telling the truth - being cheerleaders for the war in Iraq and * ?

"On a separate occasion, David Rockefeller stated: “We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promise of discretion for almost 40 years… It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards world government. The super national sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”

[rman]

13. I do take it seriously,

and i'd like to read it.
But i don't see an URL to click.
Google turns up a lot of links, are you refereing to a specific link?

[opihimoimoi]

12. That stupid STUPID MAN.....The Chinese played him for a FOOL with

the Ping Pong Diplomacy... He thought it was wonderful...He and Nixon went to China and thought they were doing just great.

Little did he know it was all a set up and the Chinese played them for the fools they were.

Now look, The Chinese have a 500% Surplus and we a deficit...

Them Chinese was a backwards nation(Read THE IRON ROOSTER, Paul Theauro,sp) and needed to be upgraded. W
what better way than to get the WEST to build factories, equip them with the latest, then train Chinese to do the work?...and get paid for it. Then compete with the world......in cheap goods but in overwhelming numbers.

Poor Henry......he got had....

[thebigidea]

16. would a neocon PNACer EVER support UN troops in LA?

he's just a slightly different sort of asshole, but the shit still stinks.

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

18. IT's a made up quote

Not that Kissinger isn't a shit, but this is just bullshit peddled by the far-right who hate the UN & think Kissinger & Rockefeller etc are promoting a "Globalist New World Order"

[Pallas180]

20. It's not made up and what's the matter with you. Who was the

first person you heard talkig about New World Order?

Pappy Bush, member of Rockefeller Trilateral Commission with Rockefeller and members of Bilderburg.
'The first time I heard him say that, it gave me chills.

New World Order. And they aint talkin about the UN.

They're talking about exactly what is happening in the world today.
They are PNAC.

If you dont read, you won't get it.

There were congressional hearings in 1953...and at that time "the Elite" said "Whether you like it or not there is going to be a New World Order and we are going to run it"

google google Warburg 1953 Congress
New World Order

Wake up and smell the coffee.



NEOCON ICON ( slightly reminiscent of the Third Reich, dontcha think?

[punpirate]

22. If it's not a made-up quote...

... then provide evidence that it's not, on at least basic journalistic standards--two original concurring sources or unaltered physical evidence.

You seem sure it's true. Proof, then, should be available. Satisfy all us skeptics. Prove us wrong. Provide evidence that Henry Kissinger said it exactly as written at the time purported.

After all, if a tape recording was made, and if it's that important (because your argument hinges upon it), it should be available, in an unaltered form.

Evidence is a bitch, but as with many issues in this world of ours, much depends upon it, and a little goes a long way.

Cheers.

[Pallas180]

23. Punpirate-

may I suggest you google the quotation yourself and prove it to yourself.

Game playing I wont do.

Thank you

[punpirate]

24. An answer would be most helpful...

... and the game-playing is all yours, as I surmise.

Now. A name. A publication.

The ball is in your court. It is your obligation to provide the evidence to prove your point.

Do so, please.