Rove's involvement in Election Fraud 04' / Ohio

[Broken Acorn]

Now that we know Rove is a proven felon and will out a CIA agent for his political benefit, we can only assume that he helped assist in the illegal victory for * in Ohio and other states during election night from his 'Command Room' in the WH.

Remember that his numbers were drastically different than the exit polls?

When will others come forward to bring to light these actions?

[second edition]

1. You know, I can't provide proof, but....

I bet he did have a large hand in orchestrating Ohio and Florida too.These were the two states where they could count on strong repub support.I also think he was responsible for the SBV and the subsequent media coverage of them too.

[ChiciB1]

14. DEFIN ITELY Florida!!!

To THIS day, I still KNOW Kerry WON Florida!!

The swiftness of them calling Florida for Bush is the KEY indicator. Don't let them focus on Florida!!

So we went directly to Ohio at about 11:00 PM that night, right after they started dumping votes into The Boy King's column here in Florida! I watched it happen, county by county and was OUTRAGED!

Still Am!!!

[eallen]

2. "ASSUME"?!?

Many of us are members of the reality-based community, and think that is one of our chief distinctions to the freepers. We don't assume. We don't assume even that Rove committed a felony, but wait until a prosecutor can figure out what laws his misdeed violated, closing all the technical issues that might otherwise let it escape the rigors of criminal definition.

Let me be clear that there is no doubt that Rove is corrupt, that leaking Plame's identity was dishonest and disloyal, and even so that it just touches the surface of his misdeeds. I am glad that his conduct is now under a prosecutor's microscope, and I hope that the prosecutor can prove some of his misdeeds fit all the elements of a crime. But I am not going to assume that that is the case.

I congratulate Kos for purging the conspiracy theorists over there.

[second edition]

6. Gee, aren't you being a little hard on the poster?

Why not view this as speculation and a topic for discussion.None of us are really in a position to have access to and present hard facts.
And personally, I think Kos could have retooled these theorists and placed them into a particular discussion board. Kos comes off as a jerk in my opinion. He wants to be taken seriously, and unfortunately, he often lets his ego and personal opinions get in the way of serious reporting.

[eallen]

12. You're right. I'm just tired of all the conspiracy theories.

[pgh_dem]

8. I love this reality-based community...can I join?

It seems like a very logical place. I like the logic that 'there is no doubt the Rove is corrupt, that leaking Plame's identity was dishonest and disloyal', but that we can't draw any conclusions from that. In the reality-based community, we can be assured that Rove's corruption and dishonesty begins and ends with blowing Plame's cover...oh, and covering up the blowing of Plame's cover...

I'm sure a reality-based special prosecutor will be assigned to investigate election fraud any day now. If I choose to hold my breath until that happens, will I be OK without oxygen in the reality-based community?

Snarkiness aside, couldn't *our* community come together and say that maybe 'assume' is too strong a word, but 'suspect' should be well within reasonable discourse, no?

[Broken Acorn]

13. Excuse me eallen

OK, I could have used the word suspect over assume, but I take offense to your conspiracy theorist claim.

I think you might be the one in the dark if you believe that * won the 04' election, even though ALL exit polls showed Kerry up by 3% before the NEC's servers mysteriously went down for 2 hours.

When the power was restored, suprise, suprise, * was leading by 3%.

I don't visit Kos and really don't care to, but the whole 'purge the CT' topic seems very ingonorant to me.

While you're at it, why don't you purge all the people in here who think the world is round too, maybe you can congratulate Kos if they do the same.

[NoSheep]

16. I agree with this post. The hubris that characterizes the current

administration is plain. Over and over and over, this administration has been incompetent and has lied to the American people. We have great reason to believe due to exit poles and all the bullshit voting irregularities that are known to have occurred, that we now have at the head of our government a thief, backed up by cold hard cash and a vast network of connections to seats of power throughout the US. We have huge conflicts of interest involving 2 major industries, oil and defense, that are the only thing 'gaining" from a war in Iraq that we had to have sold to us by a pack of lies. How much more do you need to know in order to find yourself questioning every action of this administration and all those associated with it? :banghead:

[rwork]

3. Now this is really getting good.

Talk about the potential for legs.Karen Hughes was preparing * for a loss due to exit polls. Karl went to his special computor room in the Whitehouse and spent a few hours. When he came out he said to * you are going to win BIG.

[second edition]

7. Yeah! I read something like that in Newsweek in Nov.2004. n/t

[KansDem]

4. Right! He was fixing the poll numbers around the election...

Remember that his numbers were drastically different than the exit polls?

Makes sense. In order to invade Iraq, BushCo fixed the intelligence around their Iraq policy, so in order to win the election, BushCo fixed the poll numbers around their (re)election policy.

That Rove is a scamp!

[pgh_dem]

9. haha..sweeet frame...'fixing the poll numbers around the election' n/t

[Laura PourMeADrink]

5. He said that Kerry did have the advantage in the election but that

this was offset with repug advantage in absentee ballotting. Criminals like Rover always leak clues when they don't get caught. The fraud was probably in the ab's.

Let's hope that the Plame case "opens the door" and the press will search for more...

[texpatriot2004]

10. I agree Broken Acorn...and it's not a conspiracy if it's true!

Power corrupts. It's really not hard to believe (although it is sad, shocking, and infuriating) that our government officials (BushCo) lie, cheat and steal...even elections. It's a fact that the machines used in November 2004 could be hacked easily in a matter of a few minutes. Karen Hughes breaking the loss to Bush, all the numbers in support of a Kerry victory...then, all of the sudden, after Rove was at his laptop...

RIGHT? You have to believe many outlandish things to believe Bush actually won.

BushCo, the real evildoers, cheated the first time and they cheated again in Nov. 2004. Many Americans are asleep and blind to this fact. Electronic voting is not auditable. The machines are in the hands of manufacturers who are biased to money...and BushCo.

I have a hunch you are on to something Broken Acorn. I hunch that I have had since November 2004.

I hope that the American people will find the political will to do what the government is currently to corrupt to do - IMPEACH BUSH! Send Rove and Cheney to jail where they belong; hell, send Bush too.

[Al-CIAda]

17. " it's not a conspiracy if it's true!" -Um, it IS 'conspiracy' if its true

What you mean to say I assume is it isn't a theory.

[Peace Patriot]

11. "When will others come forward to bring to light these actions?"

About as soon as someone comes forward to bring to light Dick Cheney's involvement in deliberately outing a 20+ year CIA eyes and ears network around the world which was seeking accurate information on WMDs, in order to cover up something else he was trying to do (plant WMDs in Iraq?) or is doing (planting them in Iran? or profiting in WMDs?

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See
Plame...the tip of the iceberg... (Plame maybe investigating Cheney arms deals when they busted her CIA weapons op)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2178477#2180220
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Or, about as soon as that guy (or woman) comes forward, who is currently buried somewhere in the military, who knows why there was no air cover for, or any defense of, our nation's capitol, or even of the Pentagon, on 9/11, when they had nearly an hour's notice?

Or...you name it. Your favorite Bush Cartel cover up. About as soon as...

--the Democrats stop saying that there were insufficient election "irregularities" to change the result?

--or, as soon as Democratic election officials stop going on lavish, weeklong, "fun and sun" junkets put on by Diebold and ES&S at the Beverly Hilton?

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(See:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x380340

(Note: Mine is a bipartisan anger about coverups and corruption.)
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--or, as soon as Bush's FBI explains what they did with the evidence they took from Paul Wellstone's plane crash, and why there was no public inquiry for a U.S. Senator's death?

--or, as soon as British intel explains where their surveillance of David Kelly was, when he was suicided?

--or, as soon as someone comes forward to disclose where the anthrax came from?

--or, as soon as the Diebold hacker in the 2002 Georgia election comes forward with the code that was used?

--or, as soon as the Bush FBI explains what Nicholas Berg's name, email address and account password were REALLY doing in Zacharias Moussaoui's computer?

--or...I could go on and on. And I suppose y'all could, too. But do believe that any human being is capable of seeking truth and light, at any time--and that it WILL happen to some of those currently lost in the darkness of this murderous, lying, thieving, Byzantine junta.

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The answer to the stink in Washington DC is restoring our right to vote, by throwing Bushite electronic voting machine companies--Diebold, ES&S and brethren--out of the election business NOW--or at the least achieving some measure of election transparency with paper ballot backups, no secret programming code and strict auditing. The only place where we can get that done is in state/local jurisdictions, where the authority over election systems still resides, and where ordinary people still have some say. See the DU Forum "2004 Election Results and Discussion" for information and action ideas:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=203http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=203

[Broken Acorn]

15. Thanks Peace Patriot

I completely agree with your position. Hopefully they won't purge you like someone already here has suggested.

I do think that Rove was vital in coordinating the Election Fraud of 04'. Maybe it is just wishful thinking by me that once things start snowballing with his indictment and people start jumping ship, we might get some credible sources to come forward about Ohio, Florida, New Mexico, Nevada, etc. in regards to stealing the election.