Help me out here, do we have debunking on the anti-Joe Wilson

[Eloriel]

meme that the Senate Intelligence Committee debunked his report?????

I'm really sick of hearing this, every damn time I turn around today.

[bear425]

1. Here's a good source

for debunking right wing talking b.s.

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/004870.php

[ClintonTyree]

2. Senate Intelligence.....

what an oxymoron that is. I hadn't even heard of a Senate Intelligence Committee investigating this until now. :shrug:

[politicaholic]

3. If his report was debunked, but stated as fact during 2003 SOTU...

isn't that lying under oath on Smirky's part? Isn't THAT an impeachable offense or at least a federal crime?

One would think so...or maybe I'm just confused, I'm no lawyer.

[Eloriel]

5. Well, I don't know if you have your timeline right, nor

do I think SOTU is "under oath."

[politicaholic]

10. I thought the oath of office was extended....

to official congressional addresses. Perhaps I'm wrong.

He did mention yellow cake though: (go to the link, the whole thing is pretty funny...well, I find it amusing)

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0307/S00099.htm

FLEISCHER: I'm sorry, I see what David is asking. Let me back up on that and explain the President's statement again, or the answer to it. The President's statement was based on the predicate of the yellow cake from Niger. The President made a broad statement. So given the fact that the report on the yellow cake did not turn out to be accurate, that is reflective of the President's broader statement, David. So, yes, the President' broader statement was based and predicated on the yellow cake from Niger.

Q: So it was wrong?

FLEISCHER: That's what we've acknowledged with the information on --

Q: The President's statement at the State of the Union was incorrect?

FLEISCHER: Because it was based on the yellow cake from Niger.

Q: Well, wait a minute, but the explanation we've gotten before was it was based on Niger and the other African nations that have been named in the national intelligence --

FLEISCHER: But, again, the information on -- the President did not have that information prior to his giving the State of the Union.

Q: Which gets to the crux of what Ambassador Wilson is now alleging -- that he provided this information to the State Department and the CIA 11 months before the State of the Union and he is amazed that it, nonetheless, made it into the State of the Union address. He believes that that information was deliberately ignored by the White House. Your response to that?

FLEISCHER: And that's way, again, he's making the statement that -- he is saying that surely the Vice President must have known, or the White House must have known. And that's not the case, prior to the State of the Union.

Q: He's saying that surely people at the decision-making level within the NSC would have known the information which he -- passed on to both the State Department and the CIA.

FLEISCHER: And the information about the yellow cake and Niger was not specifically known prior to the State of the Union by the White House.

Q: What does that say about communications?

[Alizaryn]

4. SusanG has a great KOS diary that might help.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/13/93855/0369

[NMDemDist2]

9. very good diary and check this out too, whatever went on with

Wilson had nothing to do with the WH LYING about Rove's involvment

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8550312/

[teach1st]

6. It's hard to debunk an accurate report

Wilson's was correct. Did Iraq attempt to buy uranium from Niger or not?

From Larry Johnson, ex-CIA and "classmate" of Plame

http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/7/13/04720/9340

But don't take my word for it, read the biased Senate intelligence committee report. Even though it was slanted to try to portray Joe in the worst possible light this fact emerges on page 52 of the report: According to the US Ambassador to Niger (who was commenting on Joe's visit in February 2002), "Ambassador Wilson reached the same conclusion that the Embassy has reached that it was highly unlikely that anything between Iraq and Niger was going on." Joe's findings were consistent with those of the Deputy Commander of the European Command, Major General Fulford.

[EVDebs]

7. A former CIA Plame colleague lashes out : Larry Johnson

Former CIA Agent Lashes Out at White House For Blowing Colleague’s Cover Thursday, October 2nd, 2003

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/10/02/158200

This is from 2003, but the agency people aren't pleased with this as you can guess.

[eleny]

8. The answer is that Iraq had no WMD - proves Wilson was right

:shrug:

[Cocoa]

11. make them prove it

don't waste time on their wild goose chases.

[Eloriel]

12. Thanks for the great responses, everyone. n/t

[Cocoa]

13. dupe

another poster perpetuated this meme earlier today...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1925133

[NMDemDist2]

14. Perpetuated? it seemed to me the OP was asking for the debunk of

the RW shill's spin.

I bookmarked some of the responses to use against the RWers and their spin. I find having those talking points very handy :)

[Cocoa]

15. both posts came in a very familiar form

very short post with no info, asking for debunking.

A common form of spreading rumors without seeming like one is spreading rumors. The lack of specificity makes debunking a challenge, and meanwhile, the rumor gets spread.

[NMDemDist2]

16. it's no rumor, have you read the WSJ op-ed page today? n/t

[Cocoa]

18. the WSJ op-ed page?

are you kidding?

[NMDemDist2]

19. we don't read it sure, but the freeps do. they are spreading it far and

wide and it's in our best interest to be prepared with the truth as a rebuttal of the BS that's already flying.

JMHO :shrug:

[NMDemDist2]

17. the admins have posted a thread for it here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1925615&mesg_id=1925615

[omega minimo]

20. :bounce:

:kick: