So what kind of counsel is Poppy giving Dimson?

[Old and In the Way]

I'm betting zilch. He fired Rove once and probably was shut out of this administration by that Svengali a long time ago.

Can't say that I'm shedding much of a tear for the Bush family. They should have quit while they were ahead....

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

1. "You know son, underlings are always expendable"

Loyalty is something to be encouraged in those beneath us but is not necessary for the elite.;)

[peace frog]

2. Nah, Poppy is too busy schmoozing

with Clinton "the son he should have had" to trouble himself with Junior. Besides, he knows Dimson won't heed his advice anyway, so why bother.

[wakeme2008]

4. Maybe Clinton is talking too Bush Sr. more than

Jr... Jr want to be his OWN MAN. (that what Rove and Dickie tells him anyway)

[cliss]

3. You could be right.

I personally think Bush completely discounts the old man. I bet George Senior tries repeatedly to talk to "Junior" and try to straighten him out.

Even though all the people around Junior are all has-beens from Dad's administration.

[Old and In the Way]

6. I think so too.

This is one complicated father/son dynamics going on here. Junior has to both thank his Dad for bailing him out of all his lifelong problems, but must paradoxically highly resent him at the same time. He was always measured against his father's accomplishments and came up lacking bigtime. Dad was the youngest WW2 pilot, Jr. was AWOL. Dad was doing serious CIA work at an age when Bush was snorting coke doing not much of anything. Dad ran things...he ran things into the ground.

I think the motivation for Jr. to become President was to show Dad up...prove he was tougher, that he could have a bigger impact (boy was he right...in a really negative way) on American history than his father. He refought the Iraqi's...just so that he could bag the biggest trophy. Mission accomplished. See Dad? I had the guts to do it...you didn't. Along the way, Rove, who couldn't have had a lot of love for Poppy, probably built a wall around George, Jr....isolating him to the point of dependency.

If he loses his brain, I think W is in bigger trouble than most people realize. He's not smart enough or tough enough to fight the political battles that are growing on many fronts. His domestic and international policies are a spectacular failure...he is hated and reviled by most of the world. I think we'll see some serious deterioration in his mental health as he ponders his failures and his future. He's dug himself such a big hole this time, even the old man is not going to be able to get him out of it.

Shakespeare would have loved to have had a crack at writing this tradegy, I think. The Madness of King George (Act 2)

[cliss]

8. This is more serious than I thought.

Thanks for the feedback, Old. I just looked at a similar article on Yahoo News. The title of the article is "White House is tight-lipped". There was a photo of Bush, looking dazed, distraught. He's looking down. RumsFailed sitting next to him looks like a Cigar Store Indian.

Maybe Joe Wilson knows this. That could be why he's calling for Bush to "fire Rove". He might know that Rove is propping up this precarious House of Cards. Let's watch and see what happens next.

[wli]

9. lunacy

I'm concerned he may do something drastic on account of his lunacy. With any luck he'll just collapse instead of doing those drastic things.

[GreenPartyVoter]

5. Jr won't listen to Poppy.. He said as much that God is his real father

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

7. Poppy has already told Dimson,

"Don't worry about a thing, George. Remember you can pardon them all with just a stroke of a pen."