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liberalfriend Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:11 PM
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How will Bush be remembered?
I've just started reading Woodward's "Shadow" and so far it is pretty interesting since it looks at the presidencies and how they were affected by the watergate scandal. I guess my real question is what do you all feel will be the impact Bush and CO. will have on the presidency and its future office holders?
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:12 PM
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Too early to say, frankly...
Ain't gonna be pretty, IMO.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:12 PM
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1. I think it's still too soon to tell. Way too much happening
that could have a mojor impact. Ask me again in 2 years.
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RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:13 PM
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2. a little something like this...
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:20 PM
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5. Is that Bush's brain? n/t
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RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:21 PM
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8. the image that comes up when you google: steaming pile shit
:D
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:32 PM
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14. Same difference. n/t
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:19 PM
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4. It depends on if he gets away with the crimes or not.
If he gets away clean with all these crimes, gets his extreme judges and takes us down to true fascism he may be remembered as the greatest President of all time since they will be writing all the history books and dissent will be quashed. If he does go down and all the trash is cleaned out of Washington future Presidents will receive more scrutiny than ever, which is probably a good thing.
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liberalfriend Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:20 PM
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6. yes it is WAAAAAAAYYY to early but....
Just speculate here. There probably have been some serious things that he has done to shape the presidency, so jsut go wild! Speculate! But try and be serious about it. I'm curious to see what eveyone thinks.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:21 PM
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7. Well, the Reagan legacy is beggars and infomercials.
What's left for little George?
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:24 PM
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9. Who's Bush? n/t
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:24 PM
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10. Worst.President.Ever
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Glorfindel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:25 PM
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11. I want him to live a loooonngg time...
like Aaron Burr, Kaiser Wilhelm II, Herbert Hoover, and Richard Nixon, and understand what's it's like to be the most despised man on the planet. If, that is, * is capable of understanding anything.

:puke:
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liberalfriend Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:29 PM
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12. hey now what did Arron Burr ever do to you?
remember that Got Milk comercial? (I do cuz I wasz taking AP History at the time and we were going over Hamilton and the duel)

ARRRROOOWWNNNN BUUUUUHHHHHH!!!!
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Glorfindel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:42 PM
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18. Actually, I think ol' Aaron is sorta kewl....
I was just using him as an example of a politician detested in his own time who lived a long life afterward. But I never saw the "Got Milk" commercial since I don't watch TV.
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liberalfriend Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:12 PM
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24. hehehe I'm just kidding!
Arron Burr is what Zell Miller wishes he could be!
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JHBowden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:29 PM
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13. Bush = McKinley
McKinley was another president who did special favors for large corporations and got the U.S. military bogged down in an long insurgency, that time in the Phillipines (1898-1913).

William Jennings Bryan was defeated in 1900 because he made the war and Phillipine independence the #1 issue. McKinley and the Republicans tarred Bryan by saying he was encouraging the insurgency, hence prolonging the war and endangering the troops.

Sound familiar?
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:36 PM
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15. 1000 words
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:38 PM
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16. Worst President ever from the most corrupt political family
this nation has ever seen.
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Lunatic Pandora Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:38 PM
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17. I think it would be a little like this...
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:14 PM
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30. Hi Lunatic Pandora!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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liberalfriend Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 10:01 AM
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34. welcome to DU
great bunch of people here, very informative discussions.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:43 PM
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19. Aside from all the good gossip and stuff here...
and every other site that can't stand him, it looks like he's going to end up down on the bottom-- way below Harding.

He has gone to war with two countries for no good reason and it looks like both wars will have no beneficial or postive effects on wither us or the countries invaded.

Other than that, he has had no domestic or foriegn policy intitives that could be in the least considered memorable.

Even that lowly incompetant Harding gave us the OMB, the GAO, HEW, the 8 hour day, and supported the 19th Amendment, which gave women the right to vote just before he ran for President.

And no one ever accused him of being personally corrupt. He was admiared, in fact, for his early business acumen and honrable dealings.

Shrub can't even stand in the shadow of Harding, whjich is a sorry indictment indeed.

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JHBowden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:46 PM
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21. um, the teapot dome scandal?
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 09:47 PM by JHBowden
Even *if* one proves the Harding was never directly involved, he is still blameworthy for putting his cronies in prominent positions. Covertly leasing public oil fields to business associates in exchange for personal loans isn't my idea of personal honesty.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:54 PM
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22. He never got a nickel out of it, but...
I see your point.

Even so, Reagan had the same problems in his cabinet, and Shrub's buddies just have learned enough to not get caught so easily.

Perle should go down, along with a few other profiteers. It's tough to tell if Cheney is really getting a personal financial boost from Halliburton, but either way, Halliburton stinks worse than Teapot Dome. And is costing the taxpayers a hell of a lot more.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:33 AM
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27. This was a tempest in a teapot
compared to Halliburton...

shrub is going to be known for the amazing level of corruption his admin was involved in.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1930252
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mandomom Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:56 PM
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23. Who?
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:20 PM
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25. For me, similar to Reagan...
Carter had us moving in the right direction...along came Reagan to do away with that. Clinton got us going back in the right direction...along came Bush.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:21 PM
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26. Most incompetent, ignorant, destructive president in history. n/t
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:36 AM
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28. Pope of the Holy bomb
Edited on Fri Jul-15-05 12:41 AM by caligirl





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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:57 AM
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29. Bush has a History of destroying everything entrusted in him....He will be
remembered for the Major Set Back...if not utter Destruction of the PUB PARTY...

More and more Bush supporters are having "buyers remorse" and wish they hadn't voted for him...

He will be known as the guy who made this mighty Nation the laughing stock of the WORLD....

Soon the backlash will reach a roaring cresendo and the PUBs will turn on him as they did Nixon..."I am not a CROOK"

When will Bush give his Checkers speech?
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Senator Lamb Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:36 PM
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31. he will be remembered
as a reflection of the people who helped put him in power and bought into his beliefs.

ignorant, jingoistic, fake patriotism, fake christianity, fake values, puppets, self-centered, simplistic sound bite loving.
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YOUTHTHINK Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 03:05 PM
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32. If history repeats itself, it wont be important....
The actions of this president have changed the process of government and law...but in that he is not unique..what sets him apart for me is the massive divide he has created between a people on domestic issues, a strategy that has been used to bolster his support for anything else he puts on the table.This is not a new tactic, but it has never worked so well. Perhaps because people are more definite those issues.If this is how we speak as a nation, we can kiss our voices goodbye.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 03:07 PM
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33. It's not too early...
I can tell you how I'll remember him:

The worst, most morally-bankrupt, and stupid President in history.

TC
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DemGirl7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 07:39 PM
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35. I think he would be remebered as the worst president so far....
if the historians get it right, if not, I will tell my children, and children's children that he was. He is already the worst president according to my mom, and she lived through Nixon, and Reagan(according to her both of them were "assholes").
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 08:09 PM
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36. Dishonest - Cuz It's Impolite To Call A Ex-Prez A LIAR
and a thief.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 08:23 PM
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37. How has Vlad Tepes been remembered?
History will look upon Bush as worse.
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Alien8ed Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 10:20 PM
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38. As Richard Nixon's "Vindicator", By Comparison.
n/t
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 10:23 PM
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39. Traitor - he knows what he's doing - and he's doing it to us.
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 10:24 PM
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40. Klutz.
Because it is not political and he fell of bikes and segways, plus choked on how many pretzels for how many times now?
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Hidden Stillness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 12:53 PM
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41. At Last Millard Fillmore, Buchanan Can Rest in Peace
I think it will be harder than just to explain that Bush was the worst, etc., which everybody knows. I think it will be like the great shames of history, when you are just perplexed as to why nobody did anything to stop it, or if they could not, and a whole, long explanation of all the background will have to be given first, before anyone from the future--I hope to God different from the present--will begin to understand it.

Bush is actually a kind of blank non-entity, and much of this current era of Government-destroyed-by-corporate-crime is actually the work of real operatives, (Rove, Cheney, lobbyists, corporate lawyers, DeLay, etc.), ripping apart every social program, law, legal protection, and everything else, turning the public airwaves over to the mutlinational corporations who were the original criminals, etc., etc., with the hapless asshole Bush as the front. The reduction of the entire world of commercial life to a very small group of hugely powerful corporations that, now, no one can fight because of their scale--these are the kinds of things that will have to be explained, to understand the era of Bush. Not a "personality" or a "trend," but a brutal, violent takeover of all the previously independant areas of Americans life, now under the iron-fisted control of global corporate capitalists.

Bush's entire two terms have been a bizarre, total neglect of the country's problems, and a willful dismantling of even the foundations of our mixed economy--the ONLY actions done by this Administration have been corporate crimes. It is as if they are not really even politicians, but oil executives who seized power. The workings of media propaganda combined with censorship of the opposing side, and the sponsors' pressure that made that situation exist, will need to be explained, to try to understand how a total asshole like Bush could ever have been presented and believed to have been a "leader."
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 01:19 PM
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42. As the prison guards at Ft. Leavenworth will say.....
...."The real dopey one in the cell next to Rove."
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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 02:15 PM
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43. Bush=Hoover
I have no fear that many, many people in this administration will be placed in jail, but I have a feeling that Bush will be remembered for the catastropic melt down of our economy. I have a feeling we are just months away from the next Great Depression, and when that happens, THAT will be the note next to the face of the Chimp in the encyclopedia...
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 02:37 PM
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44. As the Great Divider
He divided the country and the world to further the pathetic delusions of grandeur and empire of a small group of grasping, meretricious war-mongers.
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