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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 06:36 AM
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OK, let's say the just outcome happens and Rove is sentenced to jail...
...what's to stop Chimp from fully pardoning Rove and hiring him right back into the White House (if Rove's job is even interrupted)?

After all, this Administration has shown it has nothing but contempt for the rule of law, and for the American people, too, while we're at it. They only seem to care about getting their way on things by fooling barely enough of the public to not be openly up in arms against them after they perpetrate each latest outrage.

What's more, they're already doing their best to muddy the issue in the minds of the public. To the neocons, politics trump everything--"law" doesn't matter, what's important is what the public will tolerate. What's to stop them from banking on the idea that, when the time comes, the outrage at the wanton abuse of power that a pardon would be will be blunted enough for them to get away with it? Chimp's usual ilk of cult supporters will even be trumpeting it as his latest heroic act.
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Zensea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 06:39 AM
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1. the real world
People still make excuses for Nixon also, but that doesn't (or didn't) do him any good in the long run.
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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 06:54 AM
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7. Nixon didn't have talk radio, FOX "News (sic)"...
Edited on Fri Jul-15-05 07:09 AM by Crankie Avalon
...and the rest of the right wing echo chamber that has since been built up.

I hope you're right about the "real world," but these are a group of people who have said "we make our own reality." While that attitude bites them in the ass internationally (where they have to answer to the larger world outside America), domestically they are the highest power so long as they can keep enough of the American People befuddled.
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Mary 123 Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 06:41 AM
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2. Petition to Fire Rove
That's why I signed the petition to fire Rove. I don't really want him fired....I want him behind bars; but, if people just let this stuff go on without so much as a whimper, it will never end. They have been getting away with too much for too long and I do partly blame the media; but as a people, we need to complain and let our elected officials know that we aren't going to accept this abuse of power.
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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 06:57 AM
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9. You are absolutely right we all need to do all we can...
...but I can't help wondering if this is another time they get away with something evil. Still, if they do get away with it, it shouldn't be for our lack of trying to bring them to justice.
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 06:41 AM
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3. He will not go to jail

The legal process - if any - will be stretched out until the end of Shrub's second term and he would issue a blanket pardon for all issues related.

Just like daddy did for Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger who could haev nailed Bush I's ass for Iran-Contra-related matters if he (Cap) had gone to trial.
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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 07:01 AM
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10. Wow...that's a three year wait...
...I was a pre-schooler at the time, but didn't the Watergate-related sentences have a much shorter timeframe?

Then again, Iran-Contra took forever to finally play out, so maybe your prediction will be right.
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4MoreYearsOfHell Donating Member (943 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 06:45 AM
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4. Rove in jail?
come on now, isn't treason in a time of war punishable by something a little more extreme, shall we say?
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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 07:02 AM
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11. You're holding out for the whole enchilada, I see...
:D
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booksenkatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 06:49 AM
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5. No one had a problem with Ollie North after his crimes
Hell, our culture forgave him everything, embraced him, and gave him a cushy job and a fine see-gar. No one batted an eyelash when Bush the Smarter pardoned his cabal. So my feeling is that regardless of what happens to Rove through our legal system, the doughboy will never want for anything. It's been decades and decades since treason bothered your average American.

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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 07:08 AM
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13. Ollie North, Tom Delay, Newt Gingrich, and Karl Rove will be...
...million dollar co-hosts of a one-hour show on FOX called "All-American Ethics."
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 06:52 AM
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6. It will depend on what he's charged with.
Some things can't be pardoned.
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 06:56 AM
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8. Like what ?
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lynettebro440 Donating Member (950 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 07:03 AM
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12. When you have Gauddd on your side
Edited on Fri Jul-15-05 07:04 AM by lynettebro440
You can't ever loose. Dig deeper, this sick bunch of bastards are way more satanic then you might think.
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