This excitement on edwards....I think he is a "smooth talker" with no

[cthrumatrix]

experience in delivering solutions to the problems in America.

He was a trial lawyer getting $$$ from coprorations form clients.

What record does he have? not much

I think he does a nice job of "telling how bad everything is...and saying he can bring change...and the crowd "hoots"

I don't trust him...he would get destroyed by the media (if they wanted to)

I'm looking for somebody that can beat bush, take the media abuse and have a record on delivering issues.

Vs Clark he doesn't have the military background, foreign affairs exp.

Vs Dean...forget about an issues comparision or delivering on budgets or healtcare or edcuation etc...

I don't see the "substance in this hype"....

thanks for reading...and share why you feel other

[Renew Deal]

1. This sounds like the description of Dean.

Almost word for word. I mean Dean is such an empty suit, people in IA didn't even vote for him.

What experience does Dean have delivering solutions to America? He was in charge of a tiny liberal white northern state. Everyone was on his side. He claims that he is proud of signing the civil union law. But he signed it because a court forced him too in a basement. Now he takes credit for it.

What record does Dean have? Edwards has more FP experience than Dean. Sorry, but crossing the border to Canada for partying in Montreal doesn't count.

Perfect descrition of Dean. I think he does a nice job of "telling how bad everything is...and saying he can bring change...and the crowd "hoots"

"I don't trust him...he would get destroyed by the media (if they wanted to)" This also sounds like Dean. They have already done it. Dean is an easy target. His positions have more holes than swiss cheese.

"I'm looking for somebody that can beat bush, take the media abuse and have a record on delivering issues." Me too. In fact, I don't want someone to explode under a little scrutiny (Dean).

Same here for Dean. Vs Clark he doesn't have the military background, foreign affairs exp.

And this one??? Dean is going to work with the cock roaches? Vs Dean...forget about an issues comparision or delivering on budgets or healtcare or edcuation etc...

I don't see the "substance in this hype"....

thanks for reading...and share why you feel other
touche

[wtmusic]

3. Healthcare? You've got to be kidding

Dean has the best plan, hands down. He has the experience, hands down.

Budgets? He has the best record, hands down.

Clark has *no* experience with either of those huge issues.

[Renew Deal]

4. You are wrong about Clark

and it's not relevant anyway.

[wtmusic]

7. Oh, so your criticism of Dean is relevant

but mine of Clark isn't.

Got it. :eyes:

[Forkboy]

16. lol

you got it.

[cthrumatrix]

6. healthcare and fiscal responsibility....seem like issues ....I agree

[Renew Deal]

21. Health care and Fiscal responsibility

OK, So he went into office with 9.7% with no insurance and left with 9.5% without insurance.

And then he was fiscally responsible? A balanced budget is required by law.

Here's a good strategy. Tell all americans that you will raise their taxes. That will sell well. That's another reason why he lost IA and may not win anything.

[Renew Deal]

41. Funny how the post above is being ignored?

:shrug:

[Forkboy]

51. it's not relevant

you know...like the Clark comment above.

[Renew Deal]

56. Huh

does not compute

[Forkboy]

62. see post 4

if it still doesn't compute get a new computer.

[Renew Deal]

63. Oh, you are talking about the Dean supporter that is bashing Edwards

Yes, that has nothing to do with Clark.

[Forkboy]

67. You brought up Dean

which had nothing to do with original post.Then when someone brought up Clark (which also had nothing to do with the original post) you said it wasn't relevant.In conclusion (hope this "computes") you're bitching about someone bringing up something unrelated to the original post,yet the very first response FROM you had zilch to do with the original post either.

Hypocrisy is very unbecoming.

[Renew Deal]

68. Let me simplify this.

The original poster supports a candidate (Dean) with the same weaknesses that he claims makes Edwards unelectable. How can he have a problem with one, but not the other.

[Forkboy]

70. Not the point

I could care less about who supports who.One's hypocrisy shouldn't green light someone else's.

The question regarded Edwards,not Dean,not Clark and not the frigging tooth fairy (who at this point might get my vote before Dean and Clark do).

[Renew Deal]

71. lol

Finally some levity. :)

[cthrumatrix]

5. okay...next....what a non-response

go back and look at gov. record vs edwards on healthcare, education and bal budgets, womens rights etc...

your reply leaves out facts...

[Renew Deal]

9. Ever heard about people that live in glass houses.

That's Dean.

[wtmusic]

2. I felt that too, but...

the guy is a motivator, and would probably have as good or better diplomacy skills than any other candidate. In the last debate I felt he was the most sincere of the candidates.

The experience issue is worrisome.

[lcordero]

8. Clark has 34 years of experience in implementing solutions

[wtmusic]

10. Yep

Military solutions. :silly:

[KittyWampus]

34. Wrong- Spousal Abuse, Education, Race Relations

But these facts have been presented so many times one can only surmise that you are intentionally not reading it.

[shivaji]

11. Can someone please name what Edwards lead legislation...

is well known? Has he actually done any serious legislative work in the senate?

I would like to know since I am having a hard time picking my top favorite amongst Dean, Kerry and Edwards.

[cthrumatrix]

15. do your research...there is not much there....imagine that in a bush

contest...the media would go nuts.

[beaconess]

19. Patient's Bill of Rights for one

But remember that a Senator's work is not only about introducing bills and voting on the floor. Their Committee work is crucial, along with other things. Edwards has been highly effective on his Committees (Small Business, Judiciary, Health and Education, Intelligence), as well

[mmonk]

12. don't feel other

My concerns also.

[cthrumatrix]

13. This is edwards 2nd election ...and I refuse to vote for somebody with

no expereince...it's that simple..let him build a record...not paragraphs of what if's...talk is cheap.

[LBJBestEver]

18. So you wouldn't vote for Edwards in a GE against Bush?

What UNITY

[cthrumatrix]

23. I'm ABB...i just don't think edwards would give the dem's the best shot

[Renew Deal]

27. And you think a loose cannon

who will raise taxes accros the board will stand a chance? Dean thinks the south is a foreign country. I am sure southerners will like that.

[cthrumatrix]

32. you know what....he doesn't "promise the world"...that's what I see in JE

he talks a good game..but has no experience in issues....not a good combo.

[Renew Deal]

36. How exactly does JE promise the world.

Specifics would be nice. OK, Here is Edwards voting record. Dean's name is mysteriously absent.

http://www.adaction.org/Campaign2004/2004PR_1/2004pr_1.HTM

[mmonk]

46. I would

vote only. I would give up on America addressing the hard questions about itself though. It would be obvious it ain't going to happen.

[cthrumatrix]

52. thank you...I'm done with this thread...you ask about the candidates

"plans" and it's answered by non-answers and other candidate bashing...i was looking for substance in his record and delivering on issues...you have more than answered my questions.

I will vote ABB....but IMHO Edwards is "the promise candidate" as I thought.

[Renew Deal]

55. lol

:eyes:

[LBJBestEver]

14. I don't come here to feel like I'm in FR.

[cthrumatrix]

17. well tell us why he is the candidate then....that was my question...

there hasn't been much "content"...

[LBJBestEver]

22. Your post was nothing but a bunch of one-line RW talking points.

I refuse to respond. You are a Dean fan who is bitter about his plummeting and are taking it out on the other candidates.

[cthrumatrix]

25. so you flame as oppose to share facts on why he would be good-- nice

[spooky3]

26. go to JohnEdwards2004.com. It's all there.

No need to keep repeating or restating the same points here.

[LBJBestEver]

42. Honestly? I'm not even a JRE fan but he is LIGHTYEARS ahead of Dean

In the "electable" department. He is maybe the best stump speaker I've ever seen. He is very likable and would be competitive anywhere in the country. Dean has been neutered by the media. He is damaged goods at this point I think. Being from Vermont doesn't help matters.

[Renew Deal]

44. I agree with the Damaged goods thing.

Imagine the ads. CALIFORNIA, OHIO, NEW YORK and of course the Soviet Union is our biggest threat.

[Forkboy]

20. Waaah

[LBJBestEver]

24. It's nothing but candidate bashing

This whole forum.

No matter who wins, there will be people here who are bitter.

[cthrumatrix]

28. NOOOO....we asked for his accomplishments and a record on issues

you know...normal stuff in which we elect a president

[Renew Deal]

29. That's not the way you asked it.

You bashed first. Asked questions later. And everything you describe is a weakness in your candidate.

[JohnKleeb]

30. Edwards has a record, granted hes only been there for a brief while

but your point is a good one but I wanna know what you think of Wes Clark, he has no governmental experience period. BTW Edwards has more experience as a senator at least than RFK did running in 1968.

[Forkboy]

33. welcome to politics 101

you know the old saying about not being able to stand the heat....

[LBJBestEver]

39. Yeah but on a Democratic website?

The infighting is ridiculous.

[Forkboy]

54. I see lots of ridiculous things here

[mmonk]

66. It's not bashing

it's giving an opinion. I'm a constituent of Edwards. He will talk about doing things for the little people. But answers about other things such as how this country was mislead about Iraq and coming to the fact that attacking it at the time we did with somewhat cooked intelligence was dishonest to the American people will be absent. This issue doesn't have to be number one with Edwards, but it is important that Americans aren't misled again and we have a road map for restoring America in the eyes of the world. He also needs to give his position on many issues that strike at the core of democracy. I know he supported unquestionably the bush plan to include an invasion of Iraq as part of a war on "terrorism". So I need to hear more from him.

[Lex]

31. Drudge . . . is that you?

Haven't we been over these republican talking points about 1000 times now?

[cthrumatrix]

35. no....it's rove...be ready (becuase this what they would be like). I want

the BEST dem candidate...one that can stand up to the scrutiny

I'm ABB for the 2nd time

[Renew Deal]

38. If that's the case?

How do you support Dean? His head exploded once already and he hasn't even faced Rove. I mean he even flipped on an old man.

[cthrumatrix]

45. he yelled at a pep rally and the media tore him apart ...and now has come

back..I call that "tough"...becuase he has a record and people KNOW who he really is and not an excited yell.

[Renew Deal]

59. Which one of the Feb. 3 states is Dean going to win?

In his comeback.

[Zinnola]

37. Edwards is a smooth talker

I agree with him some of the time, but he has the same old tired "promise the populace anything" to get elected. What he proposes on the stump will not be implemented in an Edwards presidency. I am too pragamatic and that is why I am backing Dean. Dean admits the fact that he has to work with congress to get things passed and does not promise the moon.

[Renew Deal]

40. Dean thinks congress is full of cock roaches.

Except Harkin of course? You think Dean's health care or tax plans will pass?

[cthrumatrix]

47. you resort to name calling...share with us how edwards pays for all of

these promises...?

i read his site...it's ideas...he's never delivered any of this

[Renew Deal]

53. Name calling? Dean said congress was full of cock roaches.

You read Edwards site. Please post what you need clarified. Otherwise it is all there. Detail would be nice.

[Forkboy]

57. From all your responses one would think this thread was about Dean

almost seems like an obsession...

[LBJBestEver]

60. It is about Dean, all the posters who like Dean are now bashing Kerry/JRE

incessantly.

[Forkboy]

64. Must suck huh

too bad all the people were relentless on Dean.They now whine when the same tactics are turned on them.

:nopity:

And I'm not even a Dean supporter...

[LBJBestEver]

69. I don't advocate bashing Dean, either.

[Forkboy]

72. sure you dont

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=193465#193477

[Renew Deal]

61. He has no interest in Edwards

besides trashing him. All of the weaknesses he mentioned are also weaknesses of Dean. I asked for which specific issues he needs clarified and got nothing.

[Forkboy]

65. "besides trashing him"

glad no one in this thread has ever done that before :eyes:

[KFC]

43. Maybe he should take a cue from Dean - Shit his pants in public

Those red-faced stupors can be apealling.

[cthrumatrix]

48. amazing...i ask for why edwards...and the response is ant-dean....

that tells me alot on why edwards is soo strong...not.

[LBJBestEver]

49. Read your original post. It sounds like an RNC attack memo.

[Renew Deal]

50. You support a candidate with some of the same weaknesses

and a lot worse.

[Forkboy]

58. Pass the Ben Gay

some people will need it for their sore knees jerking around.