NYT: 'Indispensable' - Does It Have A Shelf Life (More Repubs Bash Karl)

[Hissyspit]

Pointed out by Americablog:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/17/weekinreview/17korn.html?oref=login

'Indispensable': Does It Have a Shelf Life?
By ANNE E. KORNBLUT

One former Republican official who retains close ties to the White House said there could be a political cost for keeping Mr. Rove on board even if he is found to have done nothing illegal. "If Karl survives, he does so at the president's political expense," said the former official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he did not want to be seen as disloyal to Mr. Rove.

"George W. Bush came into office promising two tenets that are in competition now: straight talk, non-parsing - and loyalty," the former official said. "He's either got to choose loyalty or straight talk. He can't do both."....

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"The Bush operating style is, you be loyal to me, I'll be loyal back to you - and I'm not going to let my critics think they can prompt a lot of resignations just by pointing out that we said we'd fire them," said Professor Stephen Walt, academic dean of the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard.

But, Mr. Walt said: "With Bush now being a lame duck, you start to wonder whether or not he'll have the same clout. At what point does the R.N.C. start weighing in and saying, 'Gee, we know he can't run again. But do we want to be saddled with a scandal that will make it harder for us to win in 2008?' "

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[Oversea Visitor]

1. Hey too late

Lame duck republican already allow chimp to run wild and brought US to utter destruction. Don't think the lame duck republicans know what to do now, they just standing there and staring at all this mess and wondering "this all a dream right, not happening, just a dream"

[StClone]

4. We warned them

Add Bush to this list of self-destructive habits that were sold with fancy ads and lies.

- smoking
- SUVs

[Oversea Visitor]

5. When the republican implode

it be real ugly. Going to a lot of bitterness and anger. All this just a build up to the big bang.

[snot]

2. If I were advising Bush . . .

I'd say, show just enough hesitation to evince becoming loyalty; then w/o too much delay, have Rove resign, with whispers that the resignation was strongly suggested by Bush; then of course, out of public view, keep consulting Rove as fully as ever, since one does need a brain--I'm sure more than one sinecure awaits Rove in the various conservative so-called think-tanks; meanwhile claim credit for understanding that, regardless of Rove's "innocence," Rove's resignation had to be accepted in order to allay any possible concern re- any adverse effect on national security . . .

I mean, it's so f---ing simple, I'm surprised it's taking this long . . . I can only presume Rove's most recent advice has been colored by his own egotistical concerns . . . and I imagine Bush is well aware of that possibility and is feeling pretty darn anxious all around . . .

[CJCRANE]

6. Trouble is

that it would be pretty obvious if Rove resigned but then still kept coming to the WH every day.

[Hissyspit]

7. That's what secure telephones are for. n/t

[snot]

8. Yes, there are lots of other ways to communicate. nt

[Cha]

14. They keep rove in the

wh dungeon if they have to.

[Dan]

12. the problem with this is...

Security Clearance issues.

What is going on - might be a felony,...might be treason.

And now, the Vice President's chief of staff is involved...

lies on top of lies, and it is all going back to the central issue:

Bush wanted war with Iraq.

Everything else is a sympton, remember that. The problem or the hud of this whole mess is, the Iraq war.

Bush now truly will have his place in American history. If Bush is impeached, I wonder if the families that have lost members in this conflict will have the right to sue Bush and other members of this administration that are found guilty of high crimes, etc.

We live in interesting times....

BUT, what is also important is this: The GOP is revealing that their loyal is to the party and the president, not the Constitution of the US. Unless we change the Congress in 2006 - we will not get to the truth. On a grassroots level, we must change Congress, force the GOP congressmen to determine - what do they stand for: The GOP or America.

[Peace Patriot]

3. Huh?

"'Gee, we know he can't run again. But do we want to be saddled with a scandal that will make it harder for us to win in 2008?' " --Anne E. Kornblut, NYT

Gee, whadda we gotta worry about when we got Wally O'Dell counting all the votes!

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This is such crap.

[cestpaspossible]

9. This article includes a blatant lie in paragraph six

"So far, there is no proof that Mr. Rove committed any wrongdoing, let alone anything illegal: while he spoke to two journalists about Valerie Wilson, a C.I.A. operative whose husband went to Niger on a fact-finding mission about weapons of mass destruction, the accounts so far suggest Mr. Rove merely confirmed what the journalists already knew."

As has been pointed out by Henry Waxman, confirming classified information is the same as originally disclosing classified information according to the law.

[Penndems]

10. Is Karl Rove indispensable? Short answer: Of course not

This country has survived:

The Revolutionary War
The French and Indian War
The War of 1812
The Mexican-American War
The Civil War (which almost DID tear us apart)
The Spanish-American War
Two World Wars
Economic depressions
Assassinations (and attempted assassinations) of our leaders
Terrorists attacks from both foreign and domestic enemies
The Korean War
The Viet-Nam War
The Persian Gulf War
. . . and now, The War in Iraq

No one in government is indispensable. We'll survive Karl Rove (and the rest of this crooked, conniving cabal). We've survived WORSE than Karl Rove. For the RNC to suggest otherwise is asinine and shows just how limited they are when it comes to learning from past mistakes. How typical of those clowns to engage in inflated self-aggrandizing.


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[wallwriter]

11. There's blood in the water...

and there will be more.

Feeding frenzy to follow. Sure, he might survive, but he also may end up as a bloody carcass that floats to the surface for a few moments just before sinking permanently...

[Cha]

15. Little rivelets of

blood..don't know if it's human, yet.

Heh, they mentioned Watergate in this article as a precident!

"But there are few historical models for the ousting of a figure like Mr. Rove. There is the save-the-sinking ship model. When the Nixon administration began to unravel, because of Watergate, three of Richard Nixon's most trusted aides - H.R. Haldeman, the chief of staff; Richard Kleindienst, the attorney general; and John Ehrlichman, the domestic policy adviser - had to go, in order to try to save the president himself. No presidency before or since has seen such upheaval at its highest echelons."

[Cha]

13. Yeah, like Gore

was?!!!