Bush* will Pardon Rove or anybody else found to be involved

[Toots]

We must get smarter about all of this. We must associate a behavior pattern to all of this and not just an individual crime. It should not be that difficult if we had an Independent Press Corp.

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[mom cat]

2. Ahd Hastart will have to pardon Bush and Cheney!

[ChairmanAgnostic]

3. stepnw!lf, don't say that.

Today's chicago suntimes has a story about a career diplomat who found himself on the terrorist alert list created by the TSA. I did not know that once one, you cannot get off.

These people will stop at nothing to win, and finding themselves cornered like injured bears, all they know is to attack.

[malaise]

4. It hardly matters

Their collective credibility is in tatters. Nothing they say can be taken seriously - the lame duck is severely wounded here and so are all of the hench men. Still I'd love some arrests and impeachment would be an early Christmas present. All sensible people now know this is about going to war based on lies and attempting to destroy anyone who killed the lie.

[rexcat]

5. The only problem about the lame duck

is he has 3 more years to screw things up, especially with the court nominations.

[peace frog]

9. Ain't that the truth

The next three years will be at least as painful as the previous five, may the gods help us.

[iconoclastic cat]

7. With us, it's in tatters---with the rank (in terms of odor) and file Repub

sheeple, Rove has already been cleared!

[stray cat]

6. Bush/Cheney are at the center of it all.

Nothing happens in this WH without them instigating it.

[Fovea]

8. If ** pardons Rove

then he will wind up also having to pardon Libby and Cheney at the very least. If he does that, the Republican party can kiss its ass goodbye for the presidency for a decade or so, and with the current DeLay and Frist problems, probably the House and Senate as well.


Hubris and criminal corruption is destroying the Republicans.
The good news is that if they do rebuild, they will have to do so without the taliban and the oligarchs. Because giving the theocrats what they want is very unpopular with everyone but the theocrats. And the corruption of the oligarchs is going to be what brings them down.

Maybe Kevin Phillips will get his wish and see the paleocons rise again someday...

[Somawas]

12. I'd hope that you are correct in that prediction

but even as rotten as Nixon was, his resignation in disgrace bought us only four years of Carter.

[Fovea]

13. Carter was the victim of blowback

from the middle east.

I believe that the region understands American politics better, and that a Democratic administration can achieve things in that region that the Repugs cannot.

Of course, one of those things is energy conservation, which reduces the power of the Islamic OPEC nations.

[kestrel91316]

10. Also let's not forget that ..................

* has his finger on the red button and is starting to piss off China. He has 3 more years to get us all killed.

[Gregorian]

11. Smarter = Fairness Doctrine

With a real press, none of this would have happened. We'd have had Gore. But it's big. It started with little things. Dumbing down. An intelligent population would not have tolerated the repealing of the Fairness Doctrine. It's about comfort. It's about what the corporations can do to make our lives better. It's about what they can do for us. Life is easy. Too easy. And we are lazy and fat. I only just woke up, myself. But the fairness doctrine would at least force those who know to tell the rest. That's what it's supposed to be about.
So the way I see it-
Education and vigilant population and media.

Pardon away. We know they're not going to jail. That only happens if you smoke a joint. The bigger picture is changing those who have the power- the people. And that's a slow operation. Especially when the money for schools has already been spent on bombs.

[Zodiak]

14. 2 cents

A pardon or two would certainly be "in character" for these creeps, even if it does damage the pary for a decade. They think of themselves first, the party second, the fundies third, and the rest of the world seems to be somewhere between last and next to last.

We have to have historical perspective on this. Tricky Dick went down for relatively minor offenses even though the corruption and death seeping from his administration was great. Iran-Contra produced convictions that didn't hurt the Republican party one bit, and the pardons that ensued only put the same criminals back into our government.

So we cannot settle for impeachment in disgrace because that may only produce a Democratic administration that has to suffer from all of the blowback that Bush created. We cannot convict the lessers because Bush will just pardon them before he leaves office and they will come slithering back into power by hook or crook.

We need more, and we need to prove to the world that this kind of scum in our government will never be allowed to hold power in the stongest country in the world again. That means a DNC-style President (because the moderates will only continue the wars and the corporatism and let the pukes skate in the interest of "bipartisanship") to replace Bush and convictions all around for the administration. Convictions that stick and cannot be pardoned away.

So how do we do that? How do we stop the blowback, fix the problems Bush made, and keep the reigns of power from these neocon criminals forever?