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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 02:58 PM
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Olbermann: Rovian Re-Adjustment
Tonight on Countdown
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President Bush said Monday that if anyone on his staff committed a crime in the CIA-leak case, that person will "no longer work in my administration." His statement represented a shift from a previous comment, when he said that he would fire anyone shown to have leaked information that exposed the identify of a CIA officer. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8605680/

Matthew Cooper, a reporter for Time magazine, said the White House senior adviser Karl Rove was the first person to tell him that the wife of former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV was a C.I.A. officer, according to a first-person account in this week's issue of the magazine. http://www.nytimes.com/

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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 03:37 PM
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1. hope he has john dean or joe wilson on
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 04:03 PM
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2. The Meme (Frame) is: Bush Failed to Fire Rove . . . nt
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 05:30 PM
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6. Bush should have fired Rove in 2000
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 04:16 PM
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3. Keith is one bright man. He knows that Rove is in major trouble.
Rove will godown in Plames

The more we learn, the more it seems as though Rove orchestrated the leaking. Today we learn in the NYT that he was rabidly out to get Wilson, a bit rabidly even for some WH staffers. This weekend we learned Cooper probably had more than the two named sources (Rove and Libby) he gave to the grand jury. We also know Rove was the primary source for Cooper and Libby one of his confirming sources. We so know there were at least 6 primary contacts (incl. Miller, Cooper, Novak, and Pincus) as reported. We also know that there were at least two different primary sources (Libby for Novak and Rove for Cooper) and maybe more (remember Miller's source did not explicitly release her, but Cooper's gave him an explicit waver). And we know that 3 contacts confirmed their stories with one or more other "high administration officials." Therefore, there were minimally 9 calls/contacts. All this with every thing we know about Rove strongly suggests coordination, collusion, and/or conspiracy.

Anyone in the administration who discovered the Plame-Wilson-Niger connection would have taken the information to the world master of personal assassination: Rove. (I'm guessing the VP's office first learned the information since they would have felt somewhat responsible for Wilson's trip to Niger. I'm also guessing the topic of leaking the Plame information was discussed at an emergency meeting of the White House Iraq Group). With 6 original calls, Rove would have to make sure that no two officials tried to act as a primary source for a single reporter (it would appear too eager) He would make sure the primary contacts pitched the information in an off-hand manner, not as the main subject, to make the contact think the source is trying to do him or her a favor ("Don't go too far out on this Wilson thing, I don't want you burnt."), etc. He would also have insured that no two official had exactly the same pitch. Then he would have to arrange for a number of officials (probably 3-4) would be ready and willing to confirm the story. Some of the confirming sources could be primary sources for other reporters, but JUST DOING THE NUMBERS one realizes that there had to be at least 4 officials involved and that they coordinated the leak (and maybe later their responses to the prosecutor).

Therefore an indictment appears likely for Rove and 3 others. In addition, Rove will either be indicted for or censured for his role in the coordination.

Rove would have more to coordinate! To establish guidelines like: No source should call another's contact, Pitch the information off hand, not as the main subject, Make the contact think the source is trying to do him or her a favor ("Don't go too far out on this Wilson thing, I don't want you burnt."), etc. AND Rove would have had to field a group of officials to support the sources stories.

And then we haven't even begun to ask the question of how Rove got the information. (Doesn't leaking the information to him also constitute a crime?) Did Plame give information to officials as one report suggested? Why did Ashcroft recluse himself? (This rings of possible involvement of Cheney or W.) Did Rove have the proper clearance prior to becoming Deputy Chief of Staff to have seen the material? Or were other federal laws broken to the effect that classified information was used for political purposes? Etc.

I think the great thing we have going for us on this case is Patrick Fitzgerald. By all accounts a fine prosecutor.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 05:32 PM
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7. Great Post Skip!
:thumbsup:

I see it the same way. RICO???
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 04:17 PM
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4. This also indicates that W. thinks an indictment is possible and
wants to hang onto Rove as long as possible.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 05:29 PM
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5. Kick for Keith
:kick: and :loveya:
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MidnightWind Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 06:27 PM
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8. According to Craig Crawford's blog. . .
he'll be on Countdown tonight with Keith at about 8:10 pm. Bump for Craig and Keith! :bounce: :bounce:
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 06:38 PM
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9. I'll be watching and
Welcome to DU MidnightWind ! Glad you're here :hi:
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 07:01 PM
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10. Rove .... now
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 07:03 PM
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11. wonder if that laughter was more from the bushies in the room
vs the reporters?
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