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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 11:25 PM
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Abortion Distortions (Boxer and Santorium make false claims)

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Abortion Distortions

Senators from both sides make false claims about Roe v. Wade.
July 18, 2005

Summary
As President Bush considers exactly whom to nominate to succeed Justice Sandra Day O'Connor on the Supreme Court, Senators Barbara Boxer and Rick Santorum both have distorted some facts about the effect of Roe v. Wade.

Boxer, a Democrat, claimed that repeal of Roe "means a minimum of 5,000 women a year will die" from illegal abortions. But that's a 69-year-old figure dating to a time before penicillin and the birth-control pill. Experts say nowhere near that many women were dying from abortion complications even in the years just before Roe made abortions legal nationwide.

On the other side of the abortion debate, Republican Santorum says that suicides by women, and also crime, "got worse, much worse" after Roe. But in fact, the female suicide rate is one-third lower now than in 1973. And the Justice Department's annual survey on crime victimization shows a 69 percent drop in property crime and a 53 percent drop in violent crime since Roe.


Analysis
Boxer's False Statistic

On July 5, Sen. Boxer claimed that overturning Roe v. Wade would cost the lives of more than 5,000 pregnant women a year. That might have been true before the invention of penicillin and the birth control pill, but it's not true now. The best evidence indicates that the annual deaths from illegal abortions would number in the hundreds, not thousands.

Boxer made the claim to support her position that the repeal of Roe would be the sort of "extraordinary circumstance" that could justify use of the filibuster to stop the confirmation of a nominee to the Supreme Court. The Associated Press quoted her this way:

Boxer: It means a minimum of 5,000 women a year will die. So all options are on the table.

But Boxer was just wrong. The figure comes from a 1936 study by Dr. Frederick Taussig who estimated that abortion claimed the lives of 5,000 to 10,000 women a year. It is impossible to know if his figures are accurate, given that no reliable records exist on the total number of illegal abortions that occurred, much less the number of deaths. Taussig extrapolated the data from trends in New York City and Germany.

His estimate is at least plausible. Women had few means to prevent unwanted pregnancies, and illegal abortions were often performed in less than sanitary settings. Furthermore, penicillin wasn't in use until World War II, and not widely available to the civilian population until after the war ended in 1945. And Enovid, the first oral contraceptive, wasn't available until 1957. But whether Taussig's estimate was accurate or not, the conditions of the 1930's don't apply today.

From the 1940s through the 1960s, in fact, the best available evidence shows a dramatic decline in abortion-related deaths occurring even before the first states liberalized abortion laws in 1967. The Journal of the American Medical Association quotes official estimates from the National Center for Health Statistics showing an 89 percent decrease in abortion-related deaths by 1966. That is based on counting the number of death certificates that listed complications from abortion as the cause of death. The numbers reported for any given year are assuredly low since doctors could easily misstate the cause of death to protect the family. Still, these are the only figures that allow comparisons over time. There's no reason to think that the rate of under-reporting would vary from one year to another, and so little reason to doubt that a steep downward trend took place long before Roe was decided.

Christopher Tietze, one of the leading experts on abortion trends, wrote in 1969 that it was plausible that 5,000 women a year died from abortion in the 1930s, but concluded that "it cannot be anywhere near the true rate now." He said that, although the 235 formally listed on death certificates in 1965 was too low, "in all likelihood it (the actual number) was under 1,000." An abortion statistics expert at the Guttmacher Institute, Stanley Henshaw, is studying abortion rates during the first part of the century. Though his data collection is unfinished, Henshaw concurred that Tietze's estimate of fewer than 1,000 deaths is "reasonable."

Boxer would have been correct to say that some increase in deaths of pregnant women would result should abortions be made illegal. But the number is much lower than she claimed. In 1972, the last year before Roe v. Wade legalized abortion nationwide, CDC counted only 39 deaths from illegal abortions based on surveys of health care providers, medical examiners' reports, state and national records, and news reports. However, Henshaw said it's difficult to quantify the number of deaths that could result today if Roe were overturned. For one thing, it is not clear how many states would actually make abortions illegal again. And Henshaw noted it is unlikely that the numbers of deaths would be as high as they were before 1973 due to medical advances and emergency services available today. In any case, Boxer's 5,000 figure was nearly 70 years out of date, and clearly wrong


Santorum's Overreaching
Republican Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania claims in a new book that a number of social ills got "much worse" after Roe was decided in 1973. He's clearly right about some, but wrong on at least one, female suicide, and possibly on another, crime.

The book is It Takes a Family: Conservatism and the Common Good, released on July 4. It devotes several chapters to abortion, and one of them includes this argument :

Santorum, p. 250: Back before 1973, there were all sorts of claims in favor of legal abortion. Legal abortion would lead to less domestic violence, since young women would not be forced into unhealthy and inappropriate marriages. Fewer desperate women would commit suicide. There would be fewer out-of-wedlock births. There would be fewer divorces. There would be fewer children in poverty, less crime, and less child abuse, since all children would be wanted and grow up in stable families. None of this happened. Not a single social ill improved as a result of legal abortion: in fact, they all got worse, much worse.

Santorum is right on some things: The percentage of children living in poverty is up, according to the Census Bureau. It was 15.1 percent in 1973 and 17.6 percent in 2003, the most recent year on record. The birth rate among unmarried women aged 15-44 has increased as well. It went from 24.5 per 1,000 unmarried women in 1973 to about 44 most recently, according to the Center for Disease Control's National Center for Health Statistics. And Santorum has a strong case regarding divorce: the number of divorced persons has risen from 3 percent of the adult population before Roe to 10 percent most recently. The divorce rate (per 1,000 population) rose for several years after Roe and didn't dip back below pre-Roe levels until 1999, according to Census Bureau figures.

Santorum may also be right about child abuse and domestic violence. We could find no reliable statistics on either that allow comparisons with 1973, and Santorum's Senate staff did not respond to several requests from us to say where he is getting his information. As things stand, we consider those claims unverified.

But not all the social problems Santorum cited have gotten worse since the Supreme Court decided Roe v. Wade. And at least one has actually gotten better.


Suicide Rates
Santorum says suicides by "desperate women" got "much worse" since 1973. Actually, the suicide rate for women has dropped by one-third since Roe was decided. According to the Center for Disease Control, the rate was 6.5 per every 100,000 women in 1973, and had fallen to 4.06 by 2001, the most recent year on record.

As seen in this chart, it is true that the female suicide rate went up after Roe , but only slightly -- by 0.4. It peaked in 1977 before plunging.

And those numbers refer only to the raw rate of suicides per 100,000 women. The National Center for Health Statistics also publishes an "age-adjusted" suicide rate. Statistics show that women in their 40's are more than twice as likely to commit suicide as women in their 20's, and the age-adjusted rates attempt to cancel out changes in the overall rate that might be due simply to a greater concentration of women in the population who have reached a suicide-prone age. The age-adjusted figure offers even less support for Santorum, however. It shows an even more dramatic decrease since Roe - a decline of 41 per cent, compared to a decline of 34 per cent for the unadjusted rate. Either way, Santorum was way off.


Crime
Santorum's claim that crime has gotten worse since Roe is also doubtful, though here the picture is a bit muddled.

According to the FBI's Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program the overall rate of crimes reported to police is actually 2 percent lower now, though it rose after Roe and is still higher for some categories of crime. But according to an annual survey conducted by the Department of Justice, the number of people saying they were crime victims has shown a huge and steady drop since 1973. The survey may be the more accurate, since it attempts to capture the large number of crimes that go unreported to police.

Santorum would be correct to say that the FBI's crime rate rose in the first years after Roe, continuing a trend that had been evident for more than a decade. But it plunged starting in 1992 and was about 2 percent below the 1973 level in 2003, the most recent year on record. And it is true that violent crimes reported to police are still 14 percent higher than in 1973, although reported crimes against property are down 3 percent, according to the FBI's statistics.

By another official measure, crime decreased dramatically since 1973 in both categories. The Bureau of Justice Statistics' (BJS) National Crime Victimization Survey shows that crime rates in 2003 are at the lowest levels recorded since the survey's inception, which coincidentally was the year Roe was decided.According to this annual survey, the number of people saying they were victims of property crime dropped steadily after Roe to, most recently, about 69 percent below 1973 levels. Meanwhile, the number of people who say they were victimized by violent crime has decreased by 53 percent since 1973 . Furthermore, by this measure the rate of violent crime was actually stable between 1973 and 1977, the first several years following Roe .

How can the FBI's statistics show an increase in violent crime while the Bureau of Justice Statistics survey shows it dropping by half? There's reason to believe that persons are simply more likely now than in 1973 to report certain crimes to police.

The survey collects responses from a statistical sample of the population, and is not an actual count of crime reports. It attempts to measure the large number of crimes that were never reported to police, as well as those that were. Even now, half of all violent crime goes unreported. Furthermore, the increase in the FBI's violent crime rate is due entirely to big jumps in the numbers of reported rapes and aggravated assaults, which may simply reflect that women are less likely to keep silent about such crimes than they were 30 years ago. The FBI's murder rate, meanwhile, has dropped more than 39 percent since 1973. That's one category of violent crime that is almost always reported, since a dead body is hard to ignore.

In any case, even using the FBI's crime statistics, there is less crime today overall than there was in 1973, contrary to Santorum's claim.

Santorum would have been correct to say that many of the arguments for legalizing abortion proved to be unfounded. But he doesn't have the facts to include female suicide and crime among his examples.

These false claims by Boxer and Santorum show that whoever is named to the current Supreme Court vacancy, truth is already a casualty in the confirmation fight.

--by Jennifer L. Ernst and Matthew Barge


Sources

Justin M. Norton, "Boxer: Filibuster To Block Anti-abortion Supreme Court Candidate," The Associated Press , 5 July 2005.
Christopher Tietze and Sarah Lewit, "Abortion," Scientific American: January 1969, 220(1).
Frederick J. Taussig, M.D., F.A.C.S., Abortion: Spontaneous and Induced, (St. Louis: C.V. Mosby Co., 1936) 25-28.
"Induced Termination of Pregnancy Before and After Roe v. Wade," Journal of the American Medical Association, 268 (Dec. 1992): 3231-3239.
Suzanne White Junod, Ph.D, "FDA's Approval of the First Oral Contraceptive, Enovid," Update, Food and Drug Law Institute: (July-August 1998).
Ricki Lewis, Ph.D, "The Rise of Antibiotic-Resistant Infections ," FDA Consumer Magazine, September 1995.
"Abortion Surveillance - United States, 2001," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, Center for Disease Control: 26 Dec. 2004.
"Criminal Victimization, 2003 ," National Crime Victimization Survey, Bureau of Justice Statistics, September 2004
"Criminal Victimization, 1973-1995 ," National Crime Victimization Survey, Bureau of Justice Statistics, April 1997
"National Crime Victimization Survey Violent Crime Trends, 1973-2003," Bureau of Justice Statistics, website, 12 September 2004
"National Crime Victimization Survey Property Crime Trends, 1973-2003," Bureau of Justice Statistics, website, 12 September 2004
"Crime in the United States," Federal Bureau of Investigation, website, undated
Michael R. Rand and Callie M. Rennison, "True Crime Stories? Accounting for Differences in Our NationalCrime Indicators," Chance Vol. 15, No.1, 2002
"Reducing Suicide: A National Imperative," Institute of Medicine , 2002
"Leading Causes of Death 1900-1998 ," Center for Disease Control, website, undated
"Age-Adjusted Rates for 69 Selected Causes by Race and Sex Using 200 Standard Populatino: United States, 1968-78," National Vital Statistics System, Center for Disease Control/National Center for Health Statistics, undated
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Copyright 2004 Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania


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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 11:26 PM
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1. need to avoid distorting the facts
If your claims get debunked reestablishing credibility and restating your argument are unlikely to happen before the debate closes.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 11:30 PM
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2. How did the abortion issue ever become part of the Gov't business?
I'm old enough to know this but I don't. Why wasn't this issue always something handled streictly inside the medical community?
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 11:31 PM
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3. I take exception
No one knows how many woman would die from illegal abortions if Roe V Wade were overturned

To project based on a 69 year old figure is inane. The population is much more, and they are assuming that if an illegal abortion was performed, that person would have access to penecillin, which may NOT be the case, especially if it was an illegal act they did, and they could be charged with murder

Sorry, but I just don't buy it. No one knows, but one thing is almost certain, it would affect the poor and the ones who are least able to handle most

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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 11:38 PM
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4. I have issues w/FactCheck.org - I don't trust them on any number of
Edited on Mon Jul-18-05 11:40 PM by Justitia
things.

So, if some number less than 5000 women die from illegal abortions each year, this is acceptable? When there are extremely safe (and formerly legal) alternatives? I find that proposition insane.

Bottom line: Women have always, and always will, have abortions. Period. Will the USA now make them criminals and leave them to be permanently maimed or die as a consequence?

We are quickly imploding backwards into the Dark Ages.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 11:41 PM
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5. Wasn't abortion legal in some states in the years right before Roe?
I would think that might account for the lowering of the number of women who died from complications from *illegal* abortions. Because at that time it was a safe and legal option in some more progressive states. IIRC New York was one of the states where it was legal.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 11:46 PM
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6. factcheck.org and everyone else should mind their own business
this is between a woman and her doctor

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liberaltrucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 11:46 PM
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7. Just gotta admire DUers
When we present an argument, it's backed up by factual sources, and if our side is wrong, we say so. I'm not much of a Bible person, but I'm reminded of the verse "you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free".
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 11:49 PM
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9. Except the extrapolation from factcheck.org is not valid
to todays standards

in addition they fail to account for the increase in population, and that it would affect poor and disadvantaged woman more, who are less likely to seek treatment if something goes wrong
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 01:37 AM
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11. Factcheck.org - the same people that during the debates & the prez
run-up claimed that Kerry/Edwards were wrong @ *ush planning to privatize Social Security. They frequently try to force their 'facts' into ill-fitting forms, then proclaim the facts are wrong because they don't fit!

I read their stuff, but compare & fact check on my own.


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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 11:49 PM
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8. Minimum of 5000
My guess that it is actually more.
If abortion becomes illegal where you think those women will go to have abortion. Reality check here ok. There is a lot of unwanted
pregnancies. Think what it would be like for the lower income group.

5000 may just be the tip of the iceberg.
Where did Boxer go wrong?
She did say minimum.

Take a lot at sexual crime rate. Babies born out of wedlock etc.
What is 5000 .... if all those unwanted pregnancies end up as illegal abortions you going to see lots of women dying from this.
That is a facts, reality and
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 11:50 PM
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10. you are absolutely right
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:39 AM
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12. making abortion illegal
Even one woman's death from an illegal abortion is too many.
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