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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 06:30 PM
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Report: Bloomberg to reveal Rove, Libby gave false testimony
RAW STORY

Bloomberg News has slotted a story alleging that senior Bush advisor Karl Rove and Vice President Dick Cheney's Chief of Staff 'Scooter' Libby provided false testimony to the special prosecutor to a Washington-based grand jury, RAW STORY has been told.

Patrick Fitzgerald, the Chicago special prosecutor appointed to investigate the outing of former covert agent Valerie Plame Wilson, may also be looking at whether other crimes -- such as perjury, obstruction of justice or leaking classified information -- were committed.

It's breaking tonight or tomorrow AM, sources say. Bloomberg has been among the head of the pack in breaking elements of the CIA leak scandal; they recently hired former Wall Street Journal editor Al Hunt.>>>>snip

The story dovetails with an account provided by investigative blogger journalist Murray Waas earlier this week.

"White House deputy chief of staff Karl Rove did not disclose that he had ever discussed CIA officer Valerie Plame with Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper during Rove's first interview with the FBI, according to legal sources with firsthand knowledge of the matter," Waas wrote.

"The omission by Rove created doubt for federal investigators, almost from the inception of their criminal probe into who leaked Plame's name to columnist Robert Novak," he continues, "as to whether Rove was withholding crucial information from them, and perhaps even misleading or lying to them, the sources said.">>>.snip

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Report_Bloomberg_to_reveal_Rove_Libby_gave_false_te_0721.html
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 06:35 PM
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1. Is BIT the same as Bloomberg news?
Edited on Thu Jul-21-05 07:17 PM by imenja
Or do they have more than one channel. The one I get, BIT, seems to be all business news. Is it possible my cable company doesn't carry regular Bloomberg news?
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 06:36 PM
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2. To say the obvious...
Bloomberg better have details about how the testimony was false or it's wasting our time with non-news...
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 06:38 PM
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3. No this was also reported on CBS
Raw story is a good source they have a network of reporters they talk to
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 06:47 PM
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4. These criminals are under zero pressure to cooperate.
With pardons waiting, it's anything goes. I don't know how anyone could make much sense of a situation where potential defendants can simply lie as they please. But then I don't really know what I'm talking about. Just spouting off the top of my head, as I usually do on DU. Maybe I'm just a big dipshit, or maybe some of what I say is useful. I'm just hoping we can get our country back on it's feet again.
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 07:50 PM
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5. Murray Waas account?
"The story dovetails with an account provided by investigative blogger journalist Murray Waas earlier this week."

Does anyone know where this account is posted?
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 07:57 PM
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6. two ways there is a thread in gdp right no and at the raw site with a link
plus there is breaking news on the WSJ for tomorrow on another tie to damage in the plame
affair or as I like to call it

TRAITOR GATE.
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:05 PM
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8. Got it!
Thanks
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:03 PM
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7. kick
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:09 PM
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9. Cha-ching! I'm lovin' it!
I'm praying to you, God, Allah, YVHV, Vishnu, and Barbara Jordan. PLEEEASE make this one pan out!!
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:33 PM
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10. Fantastic story...
I can't believe this is really happening.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 10:25 PM
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11. This is also CONSPIRACY in legal terms with more than one
http://americandefenseleague.com/conspdef.htm

Legal definition of Conspiracy
Conspiracy. A combination or confederacy between two or more persons formed for the purpose of committing, by their joint efforts, some unlawful or criminal act, or some act which is lawful in itself, but becomes unlawful when done by the concerted action of the conspirators, or for the purpose of using criminal or unlawful means to the commission of an act not in itself unlawful.

A person is guilty of conspiracy with another person or persons to commit a crime if with the purpose of promoting or facilitating its commission he: (a) agrees with such other person or persons that they or one or more of them will engage in conduct which constitutes such crime or an attempt or solicitation to commit such crime; or (b) agrees to aid such other person or persons in the planning or commission of such crime or of an attempt or solicitation to commit such crime. Model Penal Code, § 5.03.

Crime of conspiracy is distinct from the crime contemplated by the conspiracy (target crime), Corn. v. Dyer, 243 Mass. 472, 509, 138 N.E. 296, 314, cert. denied, 262 U.S. 751, 43 S.Ct. 700, 67 L.Ed. 1214. Some jurisdictions do not require an overt act as an element of the crime, e.g. Corn. v. Harris, 232 Mass. 588, 122 N.E. 749.

A conspiracy may be a continuing one; actors may drop out, and others drop in; the details of operation may change from time to time; the members need not know each other or the part played by others; a member need not know all the details of the plan or the operations; he must, however, know the purpose of the conspiracy and agree to become a party to a plan to effectuate that purpose. Craig v. U. S., C.C.A.Cal., 81 F.2d 816, 822.

There are a number of federal statutes prohibiting specific types of conspiracy. See, eg., 18 U.S.C.A.  371. See also Chain conspiracy; Co-conspirator's rule; Combination in restraint of trade; Confederacy; Seditious conspiracy; Wharton Rule.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 10:32 PM
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12. Rove, Libby Accounts in CIA Case Differ With Those of Reporters
By Richard Keil

July 22 (Bloomberg) — Two top White House aides have given accounts to the special prosecutor about how reporters told them the identity of a CIA agent that are at odds with what the reporters have said, according to persons familiar with the case.

Lewis “Scooter'’ Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff, told special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald that he first learned from NBC News reporter Tim Russert of the identity of CIA agent Valerie Plame, the wife of former ambassador and Bush administration critic Joseph Wilson. Russert has testified before a federal grand jury that he didn’t tell Libby of Plame’s identity.

White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove told Fitzgerald that he first learned the identity of the CIA agent from syndicated columnist Robert Novak, who was first to report Plame’s name and connection to Wilson. Novak, according to a source familiar with the matter, has given a somewhat different version to the special prosecutor.

These discrepancies may be important because one issue Fitzgerald is investigating is whether Libby, Rove, or other administration officials made false statements during the course of the investigation. The Plame case has its genesis in whether any administration officials violated a 1982 law making it illegal to knowingly reveal the name of a CIA agent.
>>>>snip

Robert Luskin, Rove’s attorney, said today that Rove did tell the grand jury “he had not heard her name before he heard it from Bob Novak.'’ He declined in an interview to comment on whether Novak’s account of their conversation differed from Rove’s.

There also is a discrepancy between accounts given by Rove and Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper. The White House aide mentioned Wilson’s wife — though not by name — in a July 11, 2003 conversation with Cooper. Rove says that Cooper called him to talk about welfare reform and the Wilson connection was mentioned later in passing.

Cooper wrote in Time magazine last week that he told the grand jury that he never discussed welfare reform with Rove in that call.
The leak case shows that administration officials have in effect been using reporters as shields by claiming that the information on Plame first came from them.>>>snip



Libby didn’t return a phone call seeking comment.>>>snip

The various accounts of conversations between Rove, Libby and reporters come as new details emerge about a classified State Department memorandum that’s also at the center of Fitzgerald’s probe.
A memo by the department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR) included Plame’s name in a paragraph marked “(S)'’ for `Secret,’ a designation that should have indicated to anyone who read it that the information was classified, the Washington Post reported yesterday.

The memo, prepared July 7, 2003, for Secretary of State Colin Powell, is a focus of Fitzgerald’s interest, according to individuals who have testified before the grand jury and attorneys familiar with the case.>>>>>snip



Bush had said in his State of the Union message in January, 2003 that Iraq was trying to purchase nuclear materials in Africa.

The memo summarizing the Plame-Wilson connection was provided to Powell as he left with President George W. Bush on a five-day trip to Africa. Fitzgerald is exploring whether other White House officials who accompanied Bush may have gained access to the memo and shared its contents with officials back in Washington. Rove and Libby didn’t accompany Bush to Africa.
One key to the inquiry is when White House aides knew of Wilson’s connection to Plame and whether they learned about it through this memo or other classified information.

>>>>snip
Yet special prosecutor Fitzgerald, not media coverage, will determine the outcome of this investigation.

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/21/breaking-bloomberg-reporting-that-rove-libby-may-be-subject-to-perjury-charges/
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 10:37 PM
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13. Proof here of conspiracy
From the new york times article. http://nytimes.com/2005/07/22/politics/22leak.html?hp&ex=1122004800&en=da4770e9392bb1c6&ei=5094&partner=homepage


They had exchanged e-mail correspondence and drafts of a proposed statement by George Tenet, then the director of central intelligence, to explain how the disputed wording had gotten into the address. Mr. Rove, the president's political strategist, and Mr. Libby, the chief of staff for Vice President Dick Cheney, coordinated their efforts with Stephen Hadley, then the deputy national security adviser, who was in turn consulting with Mr. Tenet.

At the same time, they were grappling with the fallout from an Op-Ed article on July 6, 2003, in The New York Times by Mr. Wilson, a former diplomat, in which he criticized the way the administration had used intelligence to support the claim in Mr. Bush's speech.

The work done by Mr. Rove and Mr. Libby on the Tenet statement, during this intense period, had not been previously disclosed. People who have been briefed on the case discussed the critical time period and the events surrounding it to demonstrate that Mr. Rove and Mr. Libby were not involved in an orchestrated scheme to discredit Mr. Wilson or disclose his the undercover status of his wife, Valerie Wilson, but were intent on clarifying the use of intelligence in the president's address. Those people who have been briefed requested anonymity because prosecutors have asked them not to discuss matters under investigation.
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