2006 election Every Republican Congressman is Vulnerable on Plame Stance

[IChing]

Many Republican congressman and senators are vulnerable because of their stance on
Traitor-gate. When the indictments come down and the full implications of the damage to the nation's intelligence gathering community is finally brought out in public, and it will,
their stances on using it as political purposes smears on the Plame affair, or their denying and inactions of the implications of this affair makes themselves accomplices to the damage caused to the intelligence gathering community, and a co-conspirator to treason-gate.

This is an important political fact, for many are on public record taking the wrong stance on this. Watergate happened because Republicans saw the damage Nixon did
to their integrity of the party (if ever had it). This time they didn't and should and will pay dearly.

[UT troll]

1. "full implications"?

The only results from this investigation will be perjury or obstruction of justice or both. At most there will only be 2 people charged with anything.

[IChing]

4. The only results? Surely you're an optistmist for your Party.

You think only 2 people will be contained by the stench of this?

[UT troll]

7. Oh I am. Believe me!

I hope Cheney gets a perp walk out on the lawn of The White House.

52. I think you guys are making a mistake aligning yourselves with the CIA

The CIA is not a popular organization among most people. It is rightfully viewed with suspicion and distrust. If you think that people are going to vote on whether a CIA operative was outed or not you're going to be sorely dissapointed.

Further, where are our morals if we will go to the lengths of actually defending the CIA as an organization simply to get Karl Rove prosecuted. I've had enough of all this talk about how important the CIA is to "our national security," and how brave these criminals are. Basically people are engaged in defending one criminal enteprise to damage another.

This is how they get people running in circles.

On another note, Rove being prosecuted (if it happens) will take at least a year maybe longer. If he is prosecuted he may not be convicted. If he's convicted the Bushies are still going to be in power, and in a position to start another war, and put fascists on the Supreme Court.

And if people think this is some kind of road to impeachment, they should really think about what it takes to get impeachment going and then who's going to be left in power if it's successful (which would be highly unlikely given the composition of Congress).

In the midst of all this the Bush regime is tightening its control and solidifying its fascistic agenda.

From national ID Cards: http://www.epic.org/privacy/id_cards/

to NorthCom's doctrine on using the military for domestic surveillance and policing: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/07/06/MNG6UDJJKA1.DTL&feed=rss.news

There's the Patriot Act, Torture, Spying on peaceful citizens and groups like the ACLU and Greenpeace, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the bankruptcy bill, the christian fundamentalist upsurge, the neocons, the anti-immigrant militias, etc.

The World Can't Wait! Drive Out the Bush Regime!

http://worldcantwait.org/

[TahitiNut]

5. Another customer of "CrystalBalls'R'Us," I see.

The ol' Magic Eight Ball gave up the ghost, huh? :eyes:

[IChing]

6. Do you think I struck a nerve? I think I at least just drew blood.

[TahitiNut]

21. I think DUrlington Cemetary could use more space.

:silly:

[UT troll]

8. Nah

I've just helped beat this issue to death on the law school discussion board I frequent.

[IChing]

14. Are you the Caveman lawyer?

[IChing]

15. Your legal background is showing

Announcer: < over SUPER > "One hundred thousand years ago, a caveman was out hunting on the frozen wastes when he slipped and fell into a crevasse. In 1988, he was discovered by some scientists and thawed out. He then went to law school and became.. Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer.

Jingle: "He used to be a caveman,
but now he's a lawyer.
Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer!"

Judge: Did you hear that, Mr. Cirroc?

Cirroc: < cell phone to his ear > Hang on a second.. < to the judge > I-I'm sorry, your Honor. I was listening to the magic voices coming out of this strange modern invention! < smiles maliciously to the camera >

[Al-CIAda]

17. "I'm just a simple caveman, your strange modern ways

frighten and confuse me, but one thing I know...."
:rofl:

[Al-CIAda]

16. Loved that character. n/t

[tk2kewl]

11. Hey look!... A Rove-publican!

[UT troll]

13. What the hell man?

I wish as much as anyone else here that this guy got a fat sentence to go to jail, BUT I don't have to repeat mantras to myself - or to anyone here - to show that I'm a democrat.

Is it pointless for me to post if I'm being a realist on most issues? I'd prefer sensible discussion that go get 'em statements. If this preference is not shared, please let me know.

[TahitiNut]

20. R.I.P. -- the DU gene pool just got some chlorine

... to clear up some bottom scum. Thanks, mods! :hi:

[IChing]

24. I don't want his frozen caveman lawyer remarks removed

He might go on and be nominated to the next supreme court by the bushenfurher.

[AuntiBush]

41. "ONLY!?!?!?! ..... "perjury or obstruction of justice!?!"

"ONLY!?!" As an American that's insulted. And trust me, I'm one of the kinder souls on this posting board. While tons of American tax-dollars were spent to get Clinton out while all, and yes I say "all" he did was what any man would have done, he lied about consenting sex with an adult -- at that, women, too.

How many Republican Congressional members and their blind-mice supporters are without sin?

So please, do not insult my GGGGGGGG-uncles whom signed the very piece of paper that gave you your freedoms, liberties and independence you're enjoying right here, right now, thanks to his signature, of which he and others so declared.

He's certainly tired of rolling over in his grave right now.

[Lecky]

42. Is perjury no big deal these days?

Even if there are only perjury indictments without fail the Republicans will try to make excuses and in effect, just make themselves look like huge hypocrites.

[Sparkly]

43. Only if it's about sex.

If it's about national security, no big deal.

[calimary]

49. I'd guess perjury, obstruction of justice, AND conspiracy - since

there were quite a few players in this. I hope you're wrong about only two people charged with anything.

I can't help but suspect that since bush's and cheney's right-hand men have their asses in a sling over this, it is NOT possible that their bosses were completely clueless about this. Furthermore, when you consider what a pissy little vindictive twat bush is, I'd imagine there were days in the White House where he was giggling like a school girl when he thought about what his good buddy turdblossom was up to.

Unfortunately, they'll also get pardoned on their way up the river, so they won't have to get their little hands dirty. Sigh... I don't want to wait until the afterlife to see these guys get their comeuppance. I want to see it NOW. In the next few months. Leading up to the 2006 elections, when we take back the House and maybe the Senate; the MSM talks endlessly about the republi-CON blood bath; the CONS themselves are jolted, stunned, demoralized, and caught completely flat-footed; NOBODY in their "right" minds will admit to ever having voted republi-CON; and IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS get rolling. It would be lovely to be able to point to all this at some later date and explain to our kids that - "you see, crime REALLY DOESN'T pay. Even the biggest of the bigshots has to face justice if they've done something wrong." That's what I want to see.

And BTW - Welcome to DU! Not sure what to make of you, but if you want to be one of the Good Guys and battle the dark siders, you've found a good home here.

[NewJeffCT]

2. I've already asked my Congressman to respond on Fitz's investigation

He's a Republican - Rob Simmons - and a former CIA "analyst" who has flip-flopped on the severity of the Plame outing:

See my thread in the CT forum:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=143x1670

[UT troll]

9. His donors

What you need to do is put pressure on his biggest donors in his district to put pressure on him. Any contact you might have there would help out, as long as they can call and identify themselves with whatever large donor company they work for.

[NewJeffCT]

48. good idea

a DUer that recently graduated from college is going to work at a major company in that area...

[IChing]

12. When they take the Party (Bush) line on this issue they are being set up

for a fall. At least he flip-flopped, some have not and contributed to the affair.

[NewJeffCT]

27. No, he flip-flopped in reverse!

He originally said it was a very serious matter, now Simmons thinks its no big deal.

[IChing]

28. Good, any chance of an opponent in your state running against him?

My area is blue.

[NewJeffCT]

36. yes...

A man named Joe Courtney is going to run. He narrowly lost to Simmons in 2002 in a 3 way race. This time, no significant green candidate that I know of is running.

[IChing]

37. e-mail Courtney on some of points of this tread

damn it would be good to have Simmons lose his seat.

[IChing]

40. I hope he loses he should know better.

[skids]

3. We need to start collecting a list of quotes and video clips.

Hitting them hard with prepared material will help.

[IChing]

10. I agree and I'm for letting the republican to continue putting their

foots in their mouths. National security problems addressed and explained on the C-3 democratic panel is a wonderful source of the damage this affair has done. By not speaking out the republicans have to bear witness to their actions.

[IChing]

18. Hitting them hard with prepared material will help.

I think it is a great idea you have. Being soft on the outing of a CIA operative and not understanding the implications of that stance.

[skids]

23. We need a coordinator...

...someone with access to a wiki or other colaborative system.

Imagine a giant table. Along one side, various media issues (Rove, Coingate, Schiavo, Delay, etc.) Along the other side, names of representatives and talking heads. In the chart, a list of the place and time of everything they ever said about it. From that, links to video as time/effort permits.

Go along one axis, and you have a "hit peice" on that person, showing all the stupid stuff they have said. Go along the other axis, and you have a "usual suspects list" showing all the usual suspects parroting RNC talking points.

I can't coordinate it though -- I have time now to put a bit of legwork in, but expect to be wage slaving again soon and cannot take on the committment.

[IChing]

25. It could be taken on by each state's DUer for that district or

Senate seat. Also this could brought back to HOWARD DEAN in e-mails etc. hell, we send them money.

What a great thought you have

[donkeyotay]

29. Adopt a Republican

Smoke your own, if you've got one, or adopt one if you don't, but don't let them hide from treason-gate. The other part of this, and this applies to dems as well, is aren't they upset now that they know they were mislead into supporting war? I think before this is over GOPers will support impeachment rather than face angry voters at home.

[IChing]

30. I agree but some think that the cool aid will protect them from

Reality.

[donkeyotay]

33. Yeah, that's the bitch about creating reality

It doesn't protect you from the other reality's consequences. Those rats will jump, because reality is about to grab ahold of their re-election plans harder than a postal poodle.


:)

[IChing]

34. Some will Jump Ship, but some will go down with their Captain with the

band still playing "Hail to the Thief"

[IChing]

26. I e-mailed DEAN's office with your idea on talking points

in regards to this strategy.
If the DNC is worth their salt, they should already be on this.

[Imagevision]

19. I couldn't agree more, as 06 gets closer watch repugs begin to

jump from the Bush Titanic ship!

[IChing]

22. It is a good talking point for Repuglican opponents can use

I hope they don't jump ship,

I want them to go down with ship

[nyhuskyfan]

31. Don't forget. They ALL voted against denying clearance to leakers

It wasn't even anything that could have been used against Rove. The measure simply stated that anyone who leaks classified information should be denied all future access to that information. Seemed like a 100-0 vote to me.

Not one Republican voted for it. Not one.

[IChing]

32. The testimony from all the CIA analysis on what this has done

Is something to be quoted from.
Anyone know when the hard copy comes out?

[IChing]

35. Just found one

"Johnson, who said he is a registered Republican, said he wished a GOP lawmaker would have the courage to stand up and "call the ugly dog the ugly dog."

"Where are these men and women with any integrity to speak out against this?" Johnson asked. "I expect better behavior out of Republicans."

"I wouldn't be here this morning if President Bush had done the one thing required of him as commander in chief - protect and defend the Constitution," said Larry Johnson, a former CIA analyst. "The minute that Valerie Plame's identity was outed, he should have delivered a strict and strong message to his employees."

[IChing]

38. shameless kick

[IChing]

39. It seems this is really upsetting the freepers

I'm seeing attacks in similar threads

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1949297

plus of course this one

[TankLV]

44. NATIONALILZE the elections.

"The REPUKES condone TRAITORS!" (of course they'll use the proper term, not "democrat" like the repukes (like mehlman does to us).

"The (insert current) REPUKE scandal..."

The party that ALWAYS LIES.

[phiddle]

45. A unifying label:

"Bush's Baby" could be applied to each Republican officeholder by his/her opponent. Too scared to speak up, too dependent to set the security of the country first, and whose mother's milk is corporate contributions. This would nationalize the election in theme, but locally.

[Stuckinthebush]

46. I think you are exactly right on this

I have heard what I call "real" Republicans say that they are embarrassed and disgusted by this scandal. This is much bigger than Clinton's junk, and for them to see their representatives and party defend the criminals is enough to make them sick.

You will hear freepers and the like pull every excuse out of the hat on why this isn't a big deal, but what they are doing is hurting our country with their attitude.

The GOP is guilty of being an accomplice to a crime. Their base should be mad as hell

[phiddle]

47. So, let's write/e-mail

Republican officeholders requesting that they disavow some of the the most egregious statements by Ken Mehlman and ilk. We could also request that he/she go on record as subscribing to Larry Johnson's comments today. We've got their nuts in a vise, and it's time to squeeze!

[bvar22]

50. GOP Soft on Treason!

Republican Party
Soft on TREASON!!!

[Bullwinkle925]

51. This is something we can do. Mobilize - call, write the congressmen/women

and let them know that they can be fired from their jobs if they will not follow through on this.