I defy any repubs (or lurking trolls) to provide evidence that Wilson lied

[ncteechur]

They cannot. They cannot point to one statement Joe Wilson has said that is false.

This administration has LIED about everything. And we have them cold.

Scott McClellan LIAR

KKKarl Rove LIAR

Scooter Libby LIAR

Condi Rice LIAR

DICK Cheney LIAR

Colin Powell LIAR

George W. Bush LIAR

Karen Hughes LIAR

John Bolton LIAR

and on and on and on

[tridim]

1. Rush said so

That's all the proof they need.

[ncteechur]

3. Was he high when he said it--talking out of his head and all.

"HeadRush"Limbaugh

[barbaraann]

2. Crickets...

I hear crickets.

[annabanana]

18. yum

[mikelewis]

4. Who cares if he lied or not, this is not about Wilson in any respect.

Whether or not the information Wilson provided was accurate or a deception is completely irrelevant. Wilson could have stood on a soap box in front of a billion people and proclaimed himself to be from the planet Ninny, it makes absolutely no difference.

The crime was revealing Valerie's name and has nothing to do with anything Joe Wilson said or did. It's an ignorant defense.

The case they are trying to implant in the Repubs minds is that:

1) The CIA failed in their assessment of Iraq's WMD intel
2) The CIA was trying to cover their collective asses by pinning the failures on the Bush Administration.
3) Valerie Plame, a specialist on issues concerning WMD, was either directly or indirectly responsible for the faulty intelligence and may have been involved in a plot to discredit the administration by sending her husband on that fact finding mission.
4) That there is still no proof that the intelligence was faulty since Britain still stands by the information.
5) That the Wilson's were Democrat sympathizers who used their positions to create a scandal.

The only thing this constant vitriol accomplishes is establishing motive. If they believed this to be the case, we know why they broke the law. They wanted to get revenge against Wilson and the CIA for embroiling them in Iraq with faulty intel. It's amazing actually, they should just shut the fuck up and say, "No Comment" but they can't seem to help themselves. By their defense, they show their motivation to commit a crime. Absolutely stupid.

[AntiCoup2K4]

5. This "Joe Wilson is a Democrat" thing is the biggest bullshit of all

I think I can guess how he voted in the last election, and probably Valerie as well, but let's not forget that this is a man that Poppy Bush once proclaimed a "hero". Poppy wasn't known for making statements like that about Democrats.

So attempting to justify Rove's treason by saying "Well Wilson was a Democrat" is complete horseshit, especially when history suggests just the opposite. Not that partisan differences justify treason anyway.

Unless your a brainless Busheep totally blind to how these lying criminal pieces of shit have damaged this country in the last 4 years.

[mikelewis]

6. Absolutely, thier using the "She was cheating on me so I had to kill her..

defense. Unfortunately, murder is a crime, cheating isn't. Even if it were, two wrongs don't make a right. They're screwed either way.

[1932]

7. Weren't Wilson's grandfather and uncle Repubican governor and congressman

from CA (respectively) and is he related to Pete Wilson?

[AntiCoup2K4]

16. According to this story, Pete (ex CA governor) is his uncle

http://www.newshounds.us/2005/07/13/oreilly_factor_newt_gingrich_lies_about_ambassador_joseph_wilson.php

And Pete Wilson is known to be a personal friend of George Bush Sr. Perhaps the Wilsons go back with the "family business". Possibly Joe met his wife on the job?

[Al-CIAda]

9. Actually it is even MORE outrageous to claim that as 'excuse'.

They chose politics OVER national security. They chose to put the entire nation at risk with a political 'hit' on citizens whos only offense was to tell the truth.

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[TankLV]

24. Oh - YOU again! Why don't you just give up?

We have demolished every singly one of your repuke talking points, and yet you persist!

You tried posting this crap/spew on another thread and it didn't work!

Now I see how you've gotten over a thousand posts!

Boy, they are really coming out of the woodwork tonite!

[ncteechur]

8. Well it has been almost 3 hours since I posted this thread and

no republicans, which I know are scarce on these boards (even trolls), have listed one thing.

We'll see but they don't have a damn thing. LIARS!

[mmonk]

10. They can't

There is no there to post.

[IChing]

11. THERE have been plenty here at DU today

Maybe not on this thread but check some of the others.

[mmonk]

13. I know there have been

ran into one on another thread. There's no there (disputing information) to post. All they can do is attack Wilson using the talking points they've heard.

[IChing]

15. Was that "Frozen Caveman Lawyer" that was on mine and another?

[mmonk]

44. They were on

this thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1949448

[bearfan454]

12. The pukes know you're right. n/t

[four more wars]

14. Hure is yar damn proof Librul fooul

Herr Fuhrer Booosh sayd so. Weelson is a poo poo hed.

so ne naw ne naw


:sarcasm:

please don't ban me for my low post count, I'm taking the piss :)

[ncteechur]

17. OK, we're up to 6 hours and still no evidence submitted of Wilson lying.

They're afraid. They have nothing. Like Jack Nicholson said,

"Deep down in places they don't talk about...they can't handle the truth!"

[quiet_please]

19. How is it...

that any freeper can reply? We don't allow them here. They get banned when they post their propoganda.

Just me or is this a flame bait thread?

[snowbear]

20. Wha...

Are you serious...? :wow:

Just because DU doesn't give the boot to the Freaknoids that come in here.. doesn't mean they're not here.

Keep your ears and eyes open.. :hide:

[TankLV]

27. Yes - there are even likely some on this very thread!

[ncteechur]

26. Abe, are you a freeper? Come clean!! You are wrong if you are repeating

Ken Mehlman's talking points. And you know you are wrong.

[snowbear]

28. I'm not sure he's a freeper... but...

His first sentence didn't seem to jive with the next sentence..

Which left me highly confused! :silly: :crazy:

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[AntiCoup2K4]

43. Shit... it takes 11 hours for a Freep to respond to this thread.....

....and I miss it? :evilfrown:

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[buzzard]

29. I don't think that is the case, I have seen many posts by republicans

and they were allowed to express their opinions, on the other hand try and post at freep and you will be banned, they are not interested in any way to hear alternate viewpoints. I was booted after 3 posts being called an idiot troll when I tried to explain why I thought the current US government was exhibiting many of the signs of fascism.

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[ncteechur]

22. Wait a minute. I'm a bit confused.

ARe you saying that the repubs can't point to a single time Wilson lied OR are you saying that Wilson lied?

If you will go back to the transcripts of what he said, he does not say that the VP sent him to Niger. He said that the agency sent him to Niger. That the VP's office wanted someone to go to investigate the yellow cake reports and that they farmed it out to the agency who then ultimately asked Wilson if he would go.

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[snowbear]

37. Well ncteechur ......

This post answers the question that both of us had.

Yes indeedie deed, deed.

Nice try there Abe.. :eyes:

BTW Abe: Read the Media Matter information. You're reciting RNC Talking Points word-for-word! :mad:

Even the networks today (with perhaps the exception of Faux) were saying Melman and his talking points turned out to be bogus.

And you're calling "us" extreme!?!?!? :wow:

[snowbear]

25. Welcome aboard Abe!

:hi:

I'm kinda-sorta guessing you're referring to Mehlman's comments about Cheney sending Wilson?

Here's what media matters said about Melhman and the RNC Lying Points:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200507140001

It's incredible how much Ken Melhman has been spouting out lies in the past few days!!

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[THX1138]

36. Confused

Didn't you just claim that Joe Wilson was a liar upthread? You should be careful. Calling people liars might "turn people off to the party".

Hope you'll be back to share your Joe Wilson insights after the indictments are handed down. All this "Wilson is a Kerry contributor" spin won't mean dick. This isn't about Joe Wilson. Its about his wife, and a very narrow definition of the law. Criminal law I might add. Do you think Fitzgerald is playing tiddlywinks? You might want to take a look at his track record. He plays for keeps.

[snowbear]

38. Yup.. he confused us all....

But post #35 shows his true colors.

:eyes: We've been freeped. :eyes:

[magellan]

41. Thanks for the advice

But whether you approve or not, someone in the administration (and likely more than one someone) is a liar and a traitor who put their petty ambitions above our national security. If using the proper words to describe these despicable actions rankles you to the point of leaving, then adios.

[Wizard777]

40. Go Joe! Way to avoid that bear trap!

Vice President Cheney is not a covert agent. Even if he does like to play hide-n-go seek. This is one instance where if a statement must be made. Then a lie is far better than the truth. As some are about to find out. There is a lil shame on you Joe to it. But no !!!SNAP!!! Gotcha! to it. ;) Joe didn't take the bait good for him.

[ncteechur]

39. Not really. The record is clear. Wilson isn't lying.

And Karl Rove or Carl Rove or KKKarl Rove or turd blossom or whatever this schuck's name is, deserves any and all punishment he gets. The guy has NO honor and NO shame.

We knew they were lurking. But they know that this administration is underhanded. They were sold a bunch of manure that they bought when they voted for these crooks. Now they cannot admit for one moment that they were taken to the cleaners. As their jobs disappear and their little tax refund gets eaten up by rising gas and healh care costs, they still cling to their fantasy of the president they would most want to attend a bar-b-que with. What they don't see is that Bushco would drop your steak is the dirt, put it on your plate and tell you its your fault if you don't eat it-dirt and all.

[Wizard777]

42. Sorry! For the defense.

Their are two sides to every coin. Let just say Saddam actually had obtained the Yellow Cake Uranium. What is he going to do with it? Process it in a ficticious mobile lab? What about the aluminum tubes that wouldn't work? Maybe place it in one of the melted missles and......aw crap!

Go Hans Blixx! Way to yank that rug! Blixx, that's just so much fun to say. We have got to name something after him.

[Toots]

45. Of course Wilson Lied

That is why the Administration held a Press conference and brought it to the public's attention immediately so things would not get out of hand. D'Oh I guess sneaking a call to one or two "journalists" on double double secret background isn't quite the same thing is it? No transparency, no Press conference to all journalists just double secret skull duggery to two tried and true "journalists". Yep we believe this Administration because they have always been so open and transparent with their business. Why would anyone ever doubt them? :crazy: So it stands to reason that Wilson had to have lied and for that lie it was imperitive to out an undercover CIA agent and damage our National Security. I feel sooo much safer now knowing that our undercover investigaters on serious National Security matters arte no longer on their job. Much safer...

[cosmik debris]

46. Here's your proof

Wilson said he was born in 1950 but his birth certificate clearly shows that he was born at 3:27 AM That was no accidental slip. He is trying to deceive you into believing that 3:27 AM is the same thing as 1950. But I can see through his shallow deception. I hope you can too.:crazy: :sarcasm:

[AndrewJacksonFaction]

47. Could I get some help with this?

Here is aresponse I received and I would like some info on how to defeat it. I feel they are misconstruing things.

"Former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, dispatched by the CIA in February 2002 to investigate reports that Iraq sought to reconstitute its nuclear weapons program with uranium from Africa, was specifically recommended for the mission by his wife, a CIA employee, contrary to what he has said publicly."

"Wilson's assertions -- both about what he found in Niger and what the Bush administration did with the information -- were undermined yesterday in a bipartisan Senate intelligence committee report.

The panel found that Wilson's report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts. And contrary to Wilson's assertions and even the government's previous statements, the CIA did not tell the White House it had qualms about the reliability of the Africa intelligence that made its way into 16 fateful words in President Bush's January 2003 State of the Union address. "
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...4-2004Jul9.html

That article is from over a year ago, yet some on this board persist in perpetuating the "16 words" myth.

Apparently the Lying Weasel was on the Today show this morning. This blogger asks a lot of questions that I suspect the Perky Katie Couric didn't broach:

http://volokh.com/archives/archive_...html#1121326634

And as far as the liberal outrage at the "outing of a covert agent", I'm still waiting for you guys to chime in on what Sandy Berger is on the verge of getting away with.

[Sparkly]

48. Both links are bad.

Valerie Wilson didn't send him on the trip, and if she "recommended" him in response to a memo for a pro-bono trip to Niger, so WHAT?!?

The BIpartisan committee didn't say any such thing -- a bunch of Republicans did later.

The only myth about the 16 words was the 16 words.

Sandy Berger has nothing to do with this, but rather than respond to the truth of this matter which has had life/death consequences, the Republicans stonewall by going after Democrats.

[AndrewJacksonFaction]

49. Thanks

These are all the same things I came up with.

I should have left the Sandy Berger part out of this quote as it has nothing to do with it. The person that wrote this is lke a 2 yr old always saying "well lok what this person did"

[Emit]

50. Actually, if you've not read the Senate Committee's report

We all should. It does not exactly show Wilson in a particularly favorable light. I, too, have had this same article thrown at me as "proof" that Wilson lied. The article takes things out of context, and hammers Wilson, and it is old, but it draws a lot of its info from the Senate Committee report.

Try this link for the Wa Post article. Yes, the article is dated, but it's the article that many Bush & Co. supporters are referring to for all of their "talking points" in smearing Wilson:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39834-2004Jul9.html

(At that article link, there are also links to the Senate Committee report to the right.)

I was surprised when I read the report, actually, as I felt it, too, was convoluted and didn't clear up any of these points that the Repugs are repeating.

Here's a link for the Senate Committee report:

http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/lit/iraq/documents.html#sicrpt

This site has links to individual sections of the report in PDF form---this July 2004 article that was referred to above takes quotes from the "Niger" Section and the Conclusions section, I think.

And before anyone tries to kill the messenger here, please note, I'm a big Wilson fan. I'm just stating that I thought the report was, well, less than flattering. Bottom line is however, you have to read the whole report. As with all their talking points, Repugs take things out of context and twist them to "prove", well, to prove nothing in this case, really...

Anyway, anyone following this, please read it and let me know what your thoughts are on how the Committee portrayed Wilson. I'd be curious to hear from some DUers about this.

[ncteechur]

51. According to Larry Johnson (a REPUBLICAN) all that Valerie

Plame was supposed to do was to find out whether her husband wa available to go to Niger. He did, after all, have connections in that part of the world and would be wel-equipped to discover if there was in fact anything to the intelligence about the yellow cake.

She did not and could not send him. The administration sent through the CIA.