N.Y. Times Corp. Publishes Edited Version of Rove Leak Article in IHT

[Up2Late]

I think we have a NEW Crime or at least, an Extremely Un-ethical act by the New York Times here.

I was just about to publish the link to what I thought was the SAME article, that is being published in Saturday's "International Herald Tribune," which I'm sure most here know, is owned by the same Corporation as The New York Times.

Turns out, an article with the same name, same authors, accredited to the same Newspaper (The New York Times) is being republished by the same Corporation, but in an Edited form!

Edited to REMOVE the last 5 Paragraphs of the original New York Times Article, the part that contains all references to John R. Bolton!

What is this? Is this more than just un-ethical?

:wtf:Is this NEW News?

Their are a few other minor edits, but this one seems Major to me. Here are the links for comparison:

<http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/07/22/news/leak.php#>

<http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/22/politics/22leak.html?ei=5094&en=da4770e9392bb1c6&hp=&ex=1122004800&partner=homepage&pagewanted=all>

For those without access to the N.Y. times Artical, Here's what was cut (in Blue) from the Int. Herald Tribune artical:

Mr. Rove has also told the grand jury that he never saw the memorandum, a person briefed on the case said. Democrats who have been eager to focus attention on the case have urged reporters to look into the role of several other administration officials, including John R. Bolton, who was then under secretary of state for arms control and international security and has since been nominated by Mr. Bush to be ambassador to the United Nations.

In his disclosure form for his confirmation hearings, Mr. Bolton made no mention of being interviewed in the case, a government official said. In the week after Mr. Wilson's article appeared, Mr. Bolton attended a conference in Australia.

In addition to ferreting out the original leak, the grand jury is examining the truthfulness of its witnesses, comparing each account with previous testimony. One apparent area of interest is the conflicting accounts given by Mr. Rove and Matthew Cooper, a Time magazine correspondent who has said he spoke to Mr. Rove about Ms. Wilson, about why they spoke on July 11, 2003.

Mr. Rove, said a source familiar with his testimony, told prosecutors that the conversation began under the pretext of discussing welfare reform.

But Mr. Cooper said he had no record or memory of actually talking to Mr. Rove about welfare reform, instead only discussing the Wilson case in their brief chat. The grand jury focused on that apparent discrepancy, Mr. Cooper wrote in an account in Time this week.

Anne E. Kornblut contributed reporting for this article.

[Eric J in MN]

1. Maybe they figure that if John Bolton gets a recess

appointment to UN Ambassador, they don't want the rest of the world to know how slimy he is.

[Up2Late]

3. That would be an awfully naive assumption, I'm sure millions...

...of people around the world have already read this article, when it came out at The New York Times Website.

This is, at the very least, slimy.

[Cha]

2. Thanks for noticing this and

putting it out here for all of us to see.

I don't know what they're thinking in this day and age of the internet when it's so easy for investigaters to spot what they're doing.

[Up2Late]

4. Thanks, as I mentioned above, they also edited out Rove and Libby's names

in several places. I don't know if this is as big a deal, but here's what I found, the sections that were edited out are in bold italics:

...Ms. Wilson's identity to Robert D. Novak, the syndicated columnist, according to the people who have been briefed.

It is not clear what information Mr. Rove and Mr. Libby might have collected about Ms. Wilson as they worked on the Tenet statement. Mr. Rove has said he learned her name from Mr. Novak. Mr. Libby has declined to discuss the matter.

The effort was striking because to an unusual degree, the circle of officials involved included those from the White House's...

...As part of their confirmation proceedings, both had to fill out questionnaires listing any legal matters they had become involved in.

Mr. Rove and Mr. Libby did not meet face to face while hammering out the critical points that were desired for the Tenet statement, the people briefed on the case said.

In its final version, the Tenet statement, through its language and tone, supported the contention that senior White House officials were focused on addressing the substance of Mr. Wilson's claims...

...In his State of the Union address in January 2003, Mr. Bush cited reports that Iraq had sought to acquire a form of uranium in Africa as evidence of Mr. Hussein's intentions to gain weapons that he might provide to terrorists, use to threaten the United States or employ against other nations in the Middle East.

Lawyers with clients in the case said Mr. Fitzgerald and his investigators...

[Cha]

7. We should ask them..why

they edited it out. They have a lot of Splainin' to do!

[gulfcoastliberal]

5. The same company that published Judy Millers bald-faced lies?

The company that cheerleaded the drumbeat of war? The paper that could be counted on to unquestionably publish the administrations "stovepiped" OSP "intelligence"? Who would've guessed they haven't changed?

:sarcasm:

[Up2Late]

10. I wish some non-U.S. Newspaper would do a world wide poll asking...

... something like, "Do you believe what is written in (U.S.)American Newspapers?"

That's one Poll I WOULD like to see.

[gulfcoastliberal]

14. It's almost like the NYT = Pravda during the USSR days

Of course, there is talk of a CIA plan called Mockingbird where the "journalists" in major papers actually work to publish propaganda or something.

[wli]

20. the Russians I know who fled the USSR say

What's going on in the US is far heavier than anything that went on in Russia.

[Up2Late]

22. I agree, but as I remember, in the USSR we all knew that it was...

...government Propaganda, and their wasn't the Echo chamber effect like we have here because ALL the so-called "news" organizations are repeating the same lies.

But in our case, I think it has more to do with ! Capitalism at it's absolute worst.

[Supersedeas]

32. but but but Judeh Millha is a martyr and a hero

[peacetalksforall]

6. It's like CNN - they have an international show and they have a dumbed

down, proopagand filled version for the U.S.

In this case, however, it is not dumbed down - it is another form of lie and theft. Ommission can be a lie and a theft.

Regrettably, I believe they will say that they have every right to edit.

So, be sure to keep this one alive until 70,000 people know about what was ommitted.

On to Monday and Tuesday then... for those who don't 'puter' on the internet on the weeked.

[Up2Late]

8. What pisses me off is, most people STILL refer to the NY Times as...

...the United States "Paper of Record."

This kind of crap REALLY pisses me off.

[gulfcoastliberal]

26. I don't get it -

My dad, who is a genius psychiatrist, he's old but participated in the pentagon protests during the Vietnam war and faced off against the national guard, was very active in the ACLU, etc still thinks the NYT is a great paper. It may have been great years ago but it has changed dramatically for the worse. Some cognitive schemas are too ingrained to be reversed.

[Eloriel]

9. Please copy these to your hard disk and send to Media Matters

and Editor & Publisher and maybe even FAIR. Hell, RawStory too. And any blogs you can think of.

But don't forget to make those copies!!

Edit: Not a crime. Very questionable "journalism," (but what's new about that?), and yeah, unethical too (again, what's new).

[Up2Late]

12. I already replied to one of RAW Story DU members lala_rawraw at this

...post (which, by the way, is on the DU Front Page):

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1948618>
But other than that, so far DU is the only place I've posted this.

And Yes, Do save these pages before thay get edited to distroy this outrageous abuse of the public trust.

I have a folder on my computer I named "Saved Web Pages" for just this type of thing.

[Starfury]

11. Gee, could this have anything to do with it??? :rolleyes:

July 22, 2005
SCOOP: John Bolton Was Regular Source for Judith Miller WMD and National Security Reporting

TWN has just learned from a highly placed source -- and in the right place to know -- that John Bolton was a regular source for Judith Miller's New York Times WMD and national security reports.

The source did not have any knowledge on whether Bolton was one of Miller's sources on the Valerie Plame story she was preparing, but argues that he was a regular source otherwise.

It's all "thickening."

-- Steve Clemons

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/000798.html

[Eric J in MN]

17. Is the Washington Note reliable? nt

nt

[ClayZ]

13. Thugs abound!

YIKES!


:popcorn:

[AuntiBush]

15. Wonder how many of their Children are Over in Iraq...

Wickedly evil, quoting Mike right now and he's right-on!

[snot]

16. I've been considering cancelling my subscription . . .

I've been disappointed in their reporting for some time.

[Up2Late]

18. If I were you, I would first use my subscriber status, and any tiny...

...bit of Clout that might have, to complain. Send them an e-mail to tell them they if they keep doing this type of crap, you are going to cancel.

I know, what difference would ONE subscriber make? Not much, but if 1000 subscribers did the same thing (and they might), they might begin to get the message that this is unacceptable.

[snot]

19. Hope you're right; I do write them and other media regularly.

[Up2Late]

21. Kick n/t

:kick:

[Up2Late]

25. GOOD NEWS! I got a reply from RAW Story and John said he WILL..

...do a piece on this matter.

Here's his reply:

Thanks for sending this -- i will do a piece on it. It definitely
looks suspicious -- although, what I do know as working at mainstream
newspapers that run various versions in different papers -- the first
thing they need to do when they need to fit a piece into a certain
space is to cut from the last paragraph going up (as news articles are
written to be trimmed from the bottom up). Also, the IHT frequently
trims Times pieces.

Regardless, WHAT they trimmed is certainly interesting and should
raise eyebrows -- particularly as the IHT has a different audience
from the Times.

peace,
=john=

[skip fox]

23. I share your outrage, but want to thank you for publishing the Bolton

material here, for bring this to our attention, and providing links.

:toast:

[Goblyn]

24. PLease forward this to MEdiamatters.org

Please foward this material to mediamatters.org

Wow....

WTF..

(goes buys a copy 1984 by orwell)

[Up2Late]

28. Done, we will see if they write back

[mrdmk]

27. This is not the first time I have noticed the same reports

with two different versions N.Y. Times I.H.T. There was conference of economist about the high tech industry (which I know something about) that I had read in the N.Y.T. and then found on I.H.T. for reference on this board. Low and behold the part I wanted to reference was missing from the I.H.T. article. Someone did direct me to a university site that had the original N.Y.T. article and I was able to back-up my point.

Cannot find post for a couple reasons, sorry.

[Up2Late]

29. Another UPDATE from John at RAW Story -- took for it tonight!

Here's what he wrote:

"I just emailed the Times reporters. If I don't hear back, or if I do,
I should file a piece on it this afternoon/evening."

[Up2Late]

30. RAW Story Tops home page with my "NYTimes edits out Bolton" Tip!

And links back to my DU Thread!

Here's the link and the Headline:

<http://rawstory.com />

Media roundup: Herald Tribune edits out Bolton; Post headline errs with 'Liddy'

<http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Media_roundup_Herald_Tribune_edits_out_Bolton_Post_headline_errs_with_Li_0724.html>

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1950103&mesg_id=1950103>

I've since posted the RAW story to LBN at this link:

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1651614&mesg_id=1651614>

[No DUplicitous DUpe]

31. Great work, Up2late...

Hey, Guess what, I did a google news search
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&q=john-bolton
for John-Bolton, and found a DU link on the first page of the results.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/05/207.html

snip from google news...

The Top 10 Conservative Idiots
Democratic Underground, DC - 9 hours ago
... But there's more: it was also suggested last week that Judith Miller's source could be none other than John Bolton, Bush's dubious pick for ambassador to the ...

[Supersedeas]

33. the Bolton confirmation is not to be publicized