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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 02:49 PM
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Wilson went to Niger TWICE for the CIA?
Thanks to another DU poster about the factcheck.org wilson/plame timeline - I found a reference to Wilson going to Niger TWICE for the CIA. First time I'd heard that - or maybe I wasn't paying close enough attention. I think it throws new light on things - though I'm not sure what it means, exactly.....

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/US%20Report.pdf

In the Senate Report (which we do know was a bit biased in some spots.........) see bottom of page 39 - he went in 1999. (I can't get it to copy paste, drat.) then on to page 42 for details of second visit in 2002





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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 02:53 PM
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1. k for answers
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 12:16 PM
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17. ??
I'm not sure what you mean by your response - "k for answers".....
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 05:12 PM
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18. K for kick - I was in a hurry
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 06:06 PM
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19. oh - thanks......
still larning the lingo 'round these heah parts..... :)
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 02:54 PM
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2. I don't see the relevance.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 09:44 AM
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15. Don't you find it odd
that it's not common knowledge? I can't find reference to it in hardly *any* of the stories out there.

If the CIA sent him in 1999 - then it makes sense that they would send him back in 2002 - which totally negates the whole - "his wife sent him" argument by the WHIG.




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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 02:56 PM
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3. I conclude he went twice for the CIA and both times found
nothing to substantiate the rumors that Saddam had purchased yellow-cake......
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 02:58 PM
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4. in fact it sort of confirms he was the right person to send in 2002
if he had already been there before
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 03:48 PM
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9. kinda what I was thinking......
so what was such a big deal for WHIG that they had to try and discredit him?

Also - why has this fact - that he was sent twice - been obscured in all of the reporting? (Or did I just miss it?)
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 10:24 AM
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16. Except Saddam did purchase yellowcake and it was listed and secured
Saddam had purchased yellowcake in late eighties and earlier. UN inspecters had found and labled all remaining nuclear material left over from Saddam's earlier days of trying to build a nuclear reactor. The sites containing nuclear (radioactive) material were well known by this administration but after the invasion not a single site was secured nor were any of the known ammo dumps. Basically only the oil was secured. Now Iraq is inundated with both radioactive material and weapons from those unsecured sites. American incompetence at it's greatest.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 02:59 PM
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5. Well, that means the CIA was clearly aware of Wilson's stature
in African politics, especially Niger. Therefore, his wife would have no reason to recommend him. Take that, Knot on a Stump!111111111111111111111111111111111111
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 02:59 PM
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6. Yes
In 1999 and 2002.

Wilson served as a diplomat in Niger in the seventies and was the US ambassador to Gabon 1992-95.

During the run up to the 1991 war, Wilson was charge d'affairs at the US embassy in Baghdad and the acting ambassador. In September 1990, Saddam threatened to execute any one harboring foreigners. In defiance of the order, Wilson sheltered over a hundred US citizens at the embassy; he drove his defiance of Saddam home by going to a press conference wearing a noose in lieu of a necktie.

In his capacity as acting ambassador, Wilson has the distinction of being the last American diplomat to meet formally with Saddam.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 03:50 PM
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10. so why does WHIG
hate him so much?

There must be more to the whole story here.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 05:24 PM
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11. That's easy, but here's the long explanation
Wilson went to Niger in February/March 2002 to investigate a report of a uranium deal between Niger and Iraq. He found that there was probably no deal. He reported this to the US ambassador to Niger (who had looked into the matter herself and came to the same conclusion) and to the CIA; according to the Seante Committee report, Wilson's findings changed few minds. People at the CIA thought any deal was only a possibility and those at the INR at the State Department thought it was very unlikely.

Presumably, Wilson's findings were passed on to policymakers and Wilson thought nothing more about it until January 2003 when Mr. Bush said in the State of the Union message that Iraq was attempting to buy uranium from an African state. Wilson's recollections of what he said when debriefed is that Iraq did not approach Niger at all; the debriefing officer's report states that Wilson merely said that it would be difficult, if not impossible, for such a deal to be enacted in light of the structure of Niger's uranium mines (see p. 44 of the Senate committee report).

Let's take a look at what Mr. Bush actually said in 2003 SOTU:

The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa. Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production. Saddam Hussein has not credibly explained these activities. He clearly has much to hide.

The dictator of Iraq is not disarming. To the contrary; he is deceiving.

He made no claim that Saddam actually bought uranium, only that he sought to buy it. However, rather than pointing out that little nuance, he followed it with a report about aluminum tubing (another now famous piece of hooey) and rhetoric designed to heighten alarm.

Whichever way one chooses to interpret Wilson's report, the language in the SOTU was deceptive.

Again, Wilson recalls stating that he doubted that Iraq even approached Niger for a sale. When he heard the SOTU, he at first felt that either Mr. Bush was speaking of some other deal with some other African state or that there was some subsequent information about the deal he researched that was not available to him ten months earlier. In any case, he looked into it and came to understand that Mr. Bush was talking about the same deal that never was and there was no reason to change his conclusions.

That is when Wilson went public with his article in The New York Times. From that article:

The question now is how that answer was or was not used by our political leadership. If my information was deemed inaccurate, I understand (though I would be very interested to know why). If, however, the information was ignored because it did not fit certain preconceptions about Iraq, then a legitimate argument can be made that we went to war under false pretenses. (It's worth remembering that in his March "Meet the Press" appearance, Mr. Cheney said that Saddam Hussein was "trying once again to produce nuclear weapons.") At a minimum, Congress, which authorized the use of military force at the president's behest, should want to know if the assertions about Iraq were warranted.

The Bush regime's credibility is a big problem. They got everything wrong when making their case for war against Iraq. There were no weapons of mass destruction; if Saddam had any thoughts of reconstituting Iraq's nuclear program, they were only thoughts; and there was no working relationship with any jihadist terror organization. How could they have gotten everything wrong, assuming they were actually looking for facts?

If the regime's case for war against Iraq had panned out -- even just most of it -- the Wilson matter would have been a very small story. If US troops had found Iraq swimming in weapons grade biochemical toxins, nuclear weapons under construction and archives full of documentation concerning cash, training and arms provided by Saddam's regime to al Qaida, few would have cared much if sixteen words of the 2003 SOTU about a uranium deal between Niger and Iraq turned out to have been all wet. That would have been written off to human error. Wilson may have never bothered to write his article, and even if he had, most people would have forgotten about it in less time than it took to read it.

Many suspected, and the Downing Street documents now confirm, that the answer is that instead of looking for facts and making a decision based thereon about whether or not to go to war, the Bush regime decided to go to war independent of the facts and then started looking for talking points.

Thus, Wilson is a witness to the regime's deception on the Iraq war, although only in a small way. Nevertheless, in order to maintain support for their efforts in Iraq, the regime must also keep up the deception that there was no deception. For that reason, Wilson must be discredited and hence the smear campaign against him and his wife.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 05:30 PM
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12. Thank you. This is how I view it, as well, in a nutshell. n/t
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 05:38 PM
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13. and contrary to their attempt to claim "ineptitude"
on the part of the CIA/intelligence......... when you say:

"The Bush regime's credibility is a big problem. They got everything wrong when making their case for war against Iraq."

It's beginning to become apparent to the GP that it wasn't that they didn't know any better - but that they DELIBERATELY lied to the public.

DAMNIT! WHY couldn't all of this have come out BEFORE the last election?!?!?

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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 06:11 PM
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14. It came out just prior to the British elections
Tony Blair's Labour Party lost a hundred seats off its majority in the previous parliament. Britain's participation in Bush's war was the major reason for dissatisfaction with Labour; the publication of the DSM sealed Labour's fate.

It is quite possible that if the DSM had come to light in October, John Kerry would be president today. On the other hand, one can easily imagine that the MSM would have played any White House spin as fact, no matter how absurd it sounded.
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 03:03 PM
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7. When I click on page 39, it reads page 29
When I clicked on 49, it was 39.

:wtf:



Keith’s Barbeque Central

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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 03:05 PM
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8. Don't use the footnotes on the side of the page
use the actual pages numbers on the pages themselves....
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