The Democrats' lame position on Iraq ... will they ever change it?

[welshTerrier2]

"We're stuck there" ... bush did this and bush should have done that and we were lied to and it's all bush's fault, but, "we're stuck there" ...

almost all elected Democrats, and the Party Chairman as well, have "gone along" with the continued occupation of Iraq ... in some flavor or other, they've stated that leaving would be a disaster and we have to remain there until some level of stability and security is achieved ...

achieving this stability is always predicated on one fundamental strategy: we have to train Iraqi troops as quickly as possible so that they can handle the security problems in their own country ...

but here's the problem: if the US, coupled with trained Iraqi forces, (and we've been training them for more than two years now), can't end the violence, how will Iraqi troops be able to do this on their own ??????

put another way, if two armies can't solve the problem, will one do any better ???

Democrats are wrong to put their faith in a very recently trained Iraqi army ... there is no guarantee that these troops will remain loyal to any central Iraqi regime when civil war breaks out ... all the training of more Iraqi soldiers will do will be to escalate the violence ... more will die and the suffering of the Iraqi people will be much, much worse ... imagine a civil war where US trained Shia soldiers are fighting against US trained Sunni soldiers ...

for too long, Democrats have been preaching the political importance of "selling their macho credentials" while the best politics and the best policy would be to show some leadership on Iraq by calling for withdrawal ... it is inconceivable that republicans will walk away with the credit for toppling Saddam and now will legitimately get credit for calling for withdrawal as more and more republicans are doing ...

wake up Democrats and show some courage on this issue ... it's more important to be right than to be tough ...

[Smarmie Doofus]

1. You must be right 'cause you think like me. There are 40...

or so people in the House that can loosely be described as "anti-war" and really none in the senate.

I've already returned the DNC membership renewal pitch with the advisory that I will only support avowed anti-war candidates ( individually) and will not contribute to the nat'l party for the duration of this moral, ethical and geopolitical catastrophe.

[FloridaPat]

2. I have to wonder about a lot of this. We are there for the oil We still

don't have signed contracts selling the fields to US oil companies. If the Iraqis got their act together, they would throw out the US and keep their oil fields.

My own opinion is Iraq is a disaster because * needs it that way. Rumors about the US military putting bombs in cars and taxis are on the web. * is doing the same things that have been done in Vietnam and Israel - with the exact same results - lots of citizens fighting back. I really think the mess in Iraq is the plan. We are not going to get out anytime soon. With 14 military bases going up - no way. We have soldiers and bases all over the oil reserves in the ME. This has been going on for decades. THe only question is: are the Democrats with this program or just that spineless.