CAFTA MARATHON THREAD 2

[ncrainbowgrrl]

Here's Thread #1
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1962883

[realFedUp]

1. gotta go do an American job....take over, I'll check in later.

[Greeby]

2. Sherrod Brown - D

Thanking the Repubs who are on the no campaign

Big sign with the "breaking arms" quote

[Robbien]

5. He's great. "Break into a thousand pieces"

calling Delay out.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

3. "twist arms until they break in a thousand pieces."

Scary. Now that's what I call strongarming.

[Greeby]

4. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen - puke - Florida

Yes, obviously

[Robbien]

6. Every Pub that get up says the exact same thing

[Armstead]

11. Not true

There are repubs who are doing the right thing on this. We should appreciate that. If this goes down it will be because of them.

It's the Bush-bots who are saying the same things.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

7. Hilda Solis (D-CA)- definite no!

[bvar22]

10. She said:

Just got back from Central America, and they are saying "NO CAFTA"!

[Greeby]

8. Hilda Solis - D - CA

Defintely no

Btw, Malloy is starting in 15 minutes. Can someone keep an eye on c-span and update the thread

[wildflower]

9. Solis (D) of California

Says Nicaraguans are asking that they vote down CAFTA. (She's of Nicaraguan descent.)

[Robbien]

12. And she brought up the patent drug issue which the RNC is

downplaying.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

14. "Of course they're going to want to come to this country...."

..."We're cutting them off at the knees."

[Robbien]

17. What a crock. The Pub saying whatever harm this may do we

will give them "aid" to help them

[wildflower]

22. That reminds me, did you hear the mention of CODEX & vitamins earlier?

It alarmed me. I had thought that this was debunked by snopes as not being in the bill? I am confused.

-wildflower

[halobeam]

31. I'm hoping someone will answer this question as well,

if they know.

[Robbien]

46. In case you missed my post, Codex is still in the bill

The RNC "promised" we will never impliment it, only Central America will have to obey.

Right

[Tux]

38. Nope

You would need a prescribtion to get vitamins if this passes. Thanks to WTO.

[Robbien]

44. It is still in the bill. The RNC has promised it will only pertain

to Central America and not be enforced here.

Yeah, right.

[wildflower]

63. Thank you, Robbien

The RNC promised this? But it's not written into the bill?

[Robbien]

68. Not written. A verbal agreement just the same as the sugar subsidy

which is also a verbal agreement

[TheFarseer]

97. just like the patriot act

they sold that in part by saying parts of it would never actually be used!

[bvar22]

13. Listening earlier with one ear.

Who was the woman about an hour ago who said: "NAFTA, CAFTA, SHAFTA!!!"

[Idioteque]

15. It was Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones (D-OH) n/t

[Greeby]

16. Bob Inglis R - SC

Yes :puke:

[ncrainbowgrrl]

18. I'd love to know what he was promised for that "yes" vote...

[Greeby]

19. Lloyd Doggett - D - Texas

No

[ncrainbowgrrl]

20. Awesome speech.

[Armstead]

21. He kicked butt

[Greeby]

23. Joe Knollenberg - R - Michigan

Yes

[Coexist]

24. Oooh - did she just quote H. Ross Perot?!

More jobs lost...

[Greeby]

25. Marcy Kapton - D - Ohio

No. Pleads with the ones with the twisted arms

[Greeby]

26. K, time to go

Mike Malloy about to start, can someone keep this thread going?

[ncrainbowgrrl]

28. Peter Hoekstra (R-MI)- yes.

[sadiesworld]

27. Hugo Chavez.

:scared:

:eyes:

[ncrainbowgrrl]

30. Well, if Hugo wants it...

:sarcasm: It must be bad, bad, bad. Evil, even. :eyes: :

[Robbien]

29. This is the first time DU, FR and Libertarians are on the same side

for different reasons of course.

Freeperville is yelling at each yes vote as much as we are.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

32. Wow- that's pretty interesting.

Who would have thought we could have a "coalition of the unwilling" with all of these groups?

[ncrainbowgrrl]

33. Artur Davis (D-AL)- No.

[Robbien]

36. Since it benefits global corporatist elite only

and everyone else gets burned, of course only the RNC elite would be in favor of it.

[Idioteque]

34. Artur Davis (D-AL)

He is a pretty conservative Democrat who was considering supporting CAFTA.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

35. "This is a values statement."

[bvar22]

37. Arthur Davis

Proud member of the DLC

Gee, he supports CAFTA, just like the CorpoRepublicans

[Robbien]

39. Oh Gawd, he's basing the argument on the six puppet toadies

who when home to massive riots in the streets and while they had huge bribe checs in their pockets

[sadiesworld]

40. Yeah, I bet a lot of those CA politicians had their hands held out.

:eyes:

We have quite a bit in common with the people in CA--our politicians are whores who don't give a shit what their constituents want.

[bvar22]

41. Republicans using ALL the buzz words

God...FREEDOM....Democracy...
None of them can seem to directly attach these to CAFTA

BROAD generalizations CAFTA good for America!!!
Can't seem to explain exactly how this works.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

42. Ford (D-TN)- No.

[senseandsensibility]

45. I'm relieved about Ford

He can go either way.

[Armstead]

43. Harold Ford finally gets it

Voting No.

[Idioteque]

47. Melissa Hart (R-PA) aye...OMG OMG it's Rick Santorum in drag!

The folks at C-SPAN thought she was Mary Bono ^_^.

[Robbien]

48. A bald faced lie about the union. I read the threatening letter

they sent to the DNC. The AFL-CIO hates this with a passion.

[bvar22]

49. I thought Scott was fixing to sell out.

He DIUD close with "I'm voting NO on CAFTA!" didn't he?

[ncrainbowgrrl]

57. Go DENNIS!! (Dennis Kucinich- D-OH)- No!

:yourock: Dennis

[Coexist]

50. Melancon is on it!

We've given away textiles, we've given away steel...

Go baby!

[Sgent]

51. Who cares

about sugar. One of the worst ag industries out there.

[Coexist]

52. I know - I'm from Florida

big sugar is king here.

[Robbien]

55. Additional subsidies for sugar was promised

of course not written into the bill but promised.

[meganmonkey]

53. Dennis baby!!!!

lay it out baby!!!

YEAH!

[sadiesworld]

54. Yay Dennis!

:woohoo:

[Coexist]

58. Ho my - he has passion!

[bvar22]

56. Kucinich is on FIRE!!!

:woohoo:

That's MY GUY!!!!

[MuseRider]

59. Dennis!

He has the fire in his belly. Go DK! :loveya: DK.

[union_maid]

60. He was quick, but great. n/t

n/t

[MuseRider]

64. He certainly does not

mince words. He says what he believes with gusto. Damn, his was the proudest vote I ever cast.

[Sapphire Blue]

67. OUTSTANDING!!!

[ncrainbowgrrl]

61. Michaud (D-ME)-no

"Don't sell the American people out for some backroom deal."

[Robbien]

62. OMG she's talking about tobacco

out in public where people can hear.

[Coexist]

65. Maxine!

I love her.

[meganmonkey]

66. Okay Maxine! Tell it like it is!

I love her :)

Yeah!

[meganmonkey]

69. I don't even want to say it out loud - but I feel good right now!!!

They don't even have enough speakers on their side!

Ha!!!
:bounce:

[faithnotgreed]

72. dont hesitate to share the love megan~ you go right ahead

this is such an important vote

[meganmonkey]

74. It is so important!

I'm sharin' love kinda loud - my neighbors probably think I'm nuts. They cheer to NASCAR and I cheer to C-Span

:loveya:

[faithnotgreed]

81. well i thought i heard you

lets just hope that you have reason to keep the cspan love-light on

[Idioteque]

70. Gene Green (D-TX) called the Republicans on their bullshit...

...how they compare Venezuela to Cuba and use the "threat of communism" to push bad agreements.

[Rainscents]

71. OK, I just got on, where are we on votes?

[Sgent]

73. I like Blumehour (sp?)

I've never seen him before, but reminds me of our former Senator from NY.

[Robbien]

75. No one's really keeping track, I believe only 2 or 3 Dem sell-outs so far

[meganmonkey]

77. Anda fair number of (R)s voting NO

Hot damn...

Can't wait till the vote! I was going to go to bed early..not gonna happen...

[Coexist]

76. I will not yield!

Members and staff take seats.

Things are getting rowdy!

[meganmonkey]

78. Wha happened? I have audio only...

Did something happen?

[Coexist]

80. Just some heckling - Clay Shaw being stupid.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

82. "you want to kick them in the teeth."

[ncrainbowgrrl]

79. He looks like he's getting flustered!

[Coexist]

83. Jimmy Carter endorsed CAFTA??

[Rainscents]

87. Whom ever vote for this, they will lose seats in '06

[Hawkeye-X]

84. Jimmy Carter endorsed CAFTA?

He must be nuts.

[Coexist]

88. ya owe me a beer!

I just googled it -
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/10900
<snip>
Carter said the democratically elected governments of the CAFTA countries have staked their credibility on CAFTA and other market reforms, and he warned that if the U.S. Congress were to reject CAFTA, "it would undercut these fragile democracies, compel them to retreat to protectionism, and make it harder for them to cooperate with the U.S."

"For the first time ever, we have a chance to reinforce the democracies in the region," Carter said. "This is the moment to move forward and to help those leaders that want to modernize and humanize their countries."

The former U.S. president added that stronger economies in the region would also serve to deter illegal immigration from the region

[Hawkeye-X]

91. Beer coming your way

:toast:

[meganmonkey]

85. That last repuke SUCKED! And Rangel KICKED ASSS!!!!

:woohoo:

on edit: He kicked so much ass I needed an extra 'S' :P

[ncrainbowgrrl]

89. I'll give you an extra "S"!

:woohoo:
He really did kick ASS!

[Hawkeye-X]

86. Pelosi speaking - opposes CAFTA

[Coexist]

90. bringing up twisted arms again...

CAFTA will promote US security?
Please.

[Coexist]

95. CAFTA allows corporations to sue the US

if the environmental laws cut into their profits?

did she just say that???

[TheFarseer]

92. Osborne (R) Nebraska

The only one of our troll reps that might vote agaisnt this. I called and they wouldn't tell me which way he was voting.

[Robbien]

93. Was just in freeperville they are still talking about codex

It blindsided them also.

[Robbien]

94. Did anyone catch how Bean voted?

[meganmonkey]

96. Damn tree-hugging hippies!!! And their damn enviromentalism!

Right On Nancy!

I am SOOOO impressed at her emphasis on the environment!

[ncrainbowgrrl]

98. Locking- Continue in thread #3

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1963438