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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:56 PM
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Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
I'm as anti-Bush as the next leftie activist Democrat DU-member. I still have my KE04 bumper sticker on my car as well as one that reads "If you can read this, you're not the president." But recently, I've found that many people prefer to fall into the "Fuck GWB" routine, rather than analyze the true cause of the problem. This approach only alienates people and makes them look at us like a bunch of loonies.

However, throwing out the Bush factor can and will give positive results. Example: I've shared a few times on DU the story of how I was kicked out of a Bush rally for my opinions stated in Op-Ed pieces for my local paper. This week, I attended my college orientation in Chicago. Monday night, a bunch of us incoming frosh stayed up till the wee hours of the morning talking about a variety of subjects. I went to shower, and when I came back the conversation had turned to politics. One guy, who I found to be personally nice, but was a raging staunch Republican, was carrying on with some of the "If you don't love this country, you should leave" stuff that you often hear. Now, I love this country with all my heart, but my allegiance is to the law upon which this nation was founded and the promise and potential it holds for the future. The room quickly erupted in partisan bickering. I apparently have a knack for calming crowds, so I started to tell this guy the Bush rally story to illustrate just how terrifying the direction we are going is.

As I began, he said "Are you a Democrat?" I answered in the affirmative. "You should know," he stated, "I am a staunch Republican and a Bush supporter." The brick wall was quickly raised, but as I was determined to make this point. I discarded any political leanings involved bu my own. "I don't care. No matter what your political orientation, you should hear this story." So he shut up and listened. When I was finished, he said "That's terrible. I don't think you should have been kicked out. I have a real problem with that." I doubt I turned him into a Democrat in those five minutes but it's a start. Virtually the exact same thing happened with my HS US History teacher immediately following the incident.

People, Bush has built up a cult of personality around him, but when people look beyond the likable shell of a guy they'd like to have a beer with, the don't like what they see. In four years, Bush will be gone (hopefully), and who will we blame then? The sound ridiculous when they blame Clinton's penis for 9/11 and the events of the last four years, we will sound just as idiotic in 2010 unless we address the route cause of the problem: this ideology of hate driven by Bush, Rove, Cheney and the so-called "conservative movement." Bush won't be around forever, but if we don't conquer it now, while it's still vulnerable, the "conservative movement" will defeat us. Our weapons are intellect, communication, compassion and human dignity, and we can prevail if we use them correctly.
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BamaLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:59 PM
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1. Good Post!
Nominated and :kick:'ed
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:02 PM
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2. The disease is the take over of the media by the corporations
they do NOT serve the public anymore even though they are public airwaves



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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:10 PM
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3. Bush is a disgrace. Oh...right... I forgot....
we liberals don't have the family values to call a spade a spade.
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:36 PM
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4. Sure, Bush is a disgrace.
But what he stands for and what he and his ilk are trying to advance is even more disgraceful. Are we going to sit on our asses and bitch or get out and try to make a difference. I'm sure you're doing your part, and I applaud you in advance.

But think...how would you want to be judged in the face of your own complacency?
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:47 PM
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7. I'm not complacent. Save the political speeches for the other side
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 02:56 PM
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11. I never said you were.
Sorry if you took it that way.

:toast:
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aspberger Donating Member (230 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:41 PM
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5. SUPER POST
N/T
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:45 PM
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6. It certainly was an interesting experience.
Edited on Wed Jul-27-05 11:01 PM by ZombieNixon
That being said, I want school to start now. I gotta get outta here. Heck, a choice between Chicago vs. Red State Hell? I'll take Chicago any day.
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 01:32 AM
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8. Best Wishes for Chicago
You're going to have a gas!

And hey, Jesse Jackson Jr. is talking about running for mayor!


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0507030358jul03,0,5448369.story?coll=chi-news-hed

Daley is a fossil. An idiot. And can't (or maybe only won't) speak
English.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 01:46 AM
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9. it goes further than that. they believe the lie knowing it is a lie
how do you fight that. i have a friend that i have harped on for a year. she is a fundie. she voted kerry. and thanked me after the election for convincing her, she wouldnt have the weight of bush on her shoulders, yet............

we stood in front of a musuem display on evolution. i am looking at 560 million years ago, and i ask, how can you say 3562 years for this earth. later talking to her about this, she brings up maybe it was a good thing going into afghanistan, to help the women.

i had a conversation today that was totally amazing. one step forward, two steps back i see. it made me sick by the time i was done. all i have told this woman over the year, all she lets go because her church tells her lies.

religion is the issue.

preachers use to never try convincing their people creationism is true. it was a bible story to not be taken literally. now, they see their people will believe anything they tell them. from the 60's to 2000 14% believed in creationism. over the last couple years it has steadily risen to last i saw, 54%

there is a lot more going on here than what you suggest.

i am ready to let go. and let the mess commence. keep my head down low.
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 02:55 PM
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10. 54%? That really is terrifying.
What causes that? Is it just inability to understand or pure laziness?
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