Should DLC come clean with their true Identity Now or After 2008?

[radio4progressives]

Should the DLC come clean with associates and constituents to publically declare their true alligence with the Republican party now, or should they wait until after 2008 when Clinton gets selected? (get ready for yet another dynasty administration)

Would this be in the best interest of the "Democratic" Party, since America no longer really exists in reality, the Constitution has all been tattered to shreds, and what little representation democracy we've ever "enjoyed" during the last century has been utterly destroyed under the last four administrations, (under both Republican and Democratic leadership).

Or do Clinton supporters relish another dynasity type of administration?

Maybe most Americans really do prefer fascism over a genuine representative democracy? After all, anyone with any "credibility" in either "party" claim that Bush "won" the "election". If that's true, then a significant segment of the population willingly picked a fascists to lead the "free world". And the DLC response to it all was a lot of hand wringing about "message", and grand standing on "christian values" and "security". They (the DLC) actually seemed rather depressed because we (the rank and file) don't tend to think more like "them" in that other party. (the "republican" party)

It seems to me that the DLC should just delcare their true affinity for the charters and principles that the R party "stands" for, if for no other reason than to help that party become more MODERATE from it's current extremist status.

Just think what that could do towards restoring America's greatness and democratic (small d) principles again.

If Hillary Clinton, for instance became elected President, I'd feel a hell of a lot more relieved and secure if she got elected as a Repulbican.

I would feel bad about losing another election, but I'd breath a lot easier knowing that the so called 'centrists' infiltrated and took over the Republican party so that the Democratic party can be an honest to goodness party that stands by and for the people and not the corporations.

[SaveElmer]

1. Of these Senators...

Which do you believe will turn Republcan..

The number next to their name is their lastest ADA rating (100% perfect liberal score) The number in parens is 2002...

Or would yo contend that the ADA is really not a liberal org?

Evan Bayh, U.S. Senator, IN - 90 (70)
Tom Carper, U.S. Senator, DE - 95 (80)
Hillary Clinton, U.S. Senator, NY - 95 (95)
Dianne Feinstein, U.S. Senator, CA - 100 (80)
Harold Ford, Jr. , U.S. Representative, TN - 75 (70)
Mary Landrieu, U.S. Senator, LA - 85 (85)
Joe Lieberman, U.S. Senator, CT - 75 (70)
Blanche Lincoln, U.S. Senator, AR - 95 (70)
Bill Nelson, U.S. Senator, FL - 80 (70)
Ben Nelson, U.S. Senator, NE - 65 (50)
Mark Pryor, U.S. Senator, AR - 85 (not yet in Senate in 2002)

[radio4progressives]

3. Eleanor Roosevelt would be turning over in her grave with those scores..

I'm certain of it..

[SaveElmer]

5. So 95 out of 100 isn't high enough?

That of course is Hillary's score...consistent over the last 3 years!

Not one Democrat on there...other than perhaps Nelson of Nebraska could reasonably be called conservative!!!

[radio4progressives]

12. I wasn't referring to the high scores ....It's how these Senators "rated"

those scores in the first place.

In the context of the current socio-economic and political climate of today and in her time, and all the good efforts Eleanor Roosevelt was engaged in, to see these Senators given these scores is an insult to what Eleanor Roosevelt intended in founding the ADA.

[SaveElmer]

15. Why don't you take a look at the votes these Senators were rated on...

And tell me which ones Eleanor Roosevelt, John Kenneth Galbraith, or Hubert Humphrey would be ashamed was being used as a liberal yardstick!!!

Her is the link

http://www.adaction.org/ADATodayVR2004.pdf

[radio4progressives]

19. So let's see .. they voted on a selected list and not the entire

voting records?

[SaveElmer]

22. They take a representative sample of the bills...

Most imprtant to liberals...take a look...if there is something that you think should be on there that isn't we can look at that

[CWebster]

30. Yeah? Well tell them:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1961237&mesg_id=1961237

[Don1]

4. I already gave criticism of these scores

in another thread. You did not answer.

[SaveElmer]

6. Actually I did...go take a look!

Thanks!!!

btw way I also posted the 2004 votes that are used...they do use vites on Republican bills as well!!!

[punpirate]

7. Well, let's put this plainly...

... the ADA is as compromised as the Democratic Party if they think that the DLC represents the ideals of Eleanor and Franklin Roosevelt.

I don't need the ADA to think for me. What I know is that people who have aligned themselves with the DLC put the interests of business before the ordinary workers in the country, and that will cost both the Democratic Party and the country as a whole, if not in the short term, then in the long term.

We're on a downhill slide now because many Democrats, inside and outside the DLC, have aligned themselves with the interests of the people in power.

Defend the DLC if you must, but I look at the company they keep. They're all whores to money and power.

Google the Koch brothers. They help run the DLC. They are obscenely wealthy, and they've stolen their wealth, and they're on the board of directors of the DLC.

Now, no one will address this question. Why are Democrats in bed with sleazy, low-life, fascistic assholes like the Koch brothers? Why won't you? You defend the DLC. Answer that simple question.

Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas.

[SaveElmer]

9. The ADA has nothing to do with the DLC....

They simply evaluate voting records to come up with a reasonable measure of how liberal a person is in terms of their voting record!!!

These are on the record...

I googled Koch brothers and am not seeing what I think you want me to see...cold you provide a link ?

[radio4progressives]

14. Don't for a minute think the ADA has nothing to do with the DLC...

The ADA is now nothing but a functionary adjunct of the DLC ever since the DLC formed.

[SaveElmer]

21. Prove that charge...

Send me documentary evidence for that!!!

[radio4progressives]

25. Oh for heaven sakes - the ADA is made up of BOARD MEMBERS

that get "elected" (read selected) vis a vis the typical cronyistic methods. They're all connected by highly placed DP functionaries who are ultimately connected to the DLC.

That's the way it's been for the past dozen years - and even before the DLC became into "existance" it pretty much followed the same pattern.

And the strongest ADA board is the Southern California ADA, and I know several of these people and how they got there.

Again, highly connected Democratic Party Functionaries - directly connected to Washington DC.

This is a fact. If you don't know this, then go do some homework.

[CWebster]

31. This from the poster who questioned the DLC's

corporate affiliatition.

It is like trying to prove the wetness of water.

[SaveElmer]

37. So you have no evidence then...

Some vague stuff about being "connected" to DLC members...how sinister!!!

If this is so obvious...how about a single link describing this evil alliance?

Here is their leadeship roster...who on there is DLC and how are the "connected"

President | Jim McDermott
Executive Committee Chair | Joel Cohen
Treasurer | Chris Riddiough
Secretary | Maria Wilkinson
Counsel | Jack Blum
NLDA/Youth Chair | Open
President Emeritus | Jim Jontz

Congressman McDermott as far as I can tell is not on the DLC roster


Here is the Southern California chapter...who is DLC, and what are the evil connections?

President Lydia Brazon
Executive Vice President Roy Ulrich
Treasurer Joan Leonard
Secretary Clifford Tasner
Vice Presidents Aris Anagnos
Maria Armoudian
Judith Bustany
Jan Goodman
James Johnson
Anne Marie Staas
Henry Walton
Rosalie Wayne

[punpirate]

20. You weren't looking very carefully...

... and you assiduously avoided my question. I don't think you even know who your friends are in bed with:

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=11900

http://www.mediatransparency.org/funderprofile.php?funderID=9

http://www.mediatransparency.org/reprints/bobdolekoch.htm

http://www.consortiumnews.com/1999/080499a1.html

http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Killer_David_Koch.html

http://www.publicintegrity.org/oil/report.aspx?aid=347

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Rampton_Stauber_page/Marketplace_BR.html

http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.aspx?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=225778&printmode=1

http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=2067

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Koch_family%27s_charitable_foundations

http://www.mediatransparency.org/funderprofileprinterfriendly.php?funderID=9

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/feb2004/ore2-f13.shtml

http://www.opednews.com/kall_PalastInterview_.htm

http://lists.democracygroups.org/pipermail/rightwatch/2001q2/000103.html

There's a lot more--a great deal more. Now, sit down and read about your friends.

Cheers.

[SaveElmer]

38. Here's what I think...

There is precious little here about any connection to the DLC

One reference to them being one of about a dozen sponsors of a DLC forum, and someone supposedly associated with them, being on the Board of the DLC (which I cannot find).

To satisfy my curiosity, I have emailed the DLC to see what they say about it.

I have to say the Koch's look like whackos to me, but the connection to the DLC seems tenous....hopefully they will respond

The only reference on their site I could find about them was in a DLC review of Brocks "Right WIng Noise Machine," criticizing the Koch's for their funding activities...their review was a positive one by the way...

So I will wait for a response and post when I get it...ok ?

Here is a link to the review if you would like to read it!!

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=252925&kaid=127&subid=177

[punpirate]

39. The information on their association...

... is in the American Prospect article I first provided.

Here's the pertinent part:

"And for $25,000, 28 giant companies found their way onto the DLC's executive council, including Aetna, AT&T, American Airlines, AIG, BellSouth, Chevron, DuPont, Enron, IBM, Merck and Company, Microsoft, Philip Morris, Texaco, and Verizon Communications. Few, if any, of these corporations would be seen as leaning Democratic, of course, but here and there are some real surprises. One member of the DLC's executive council is none other than Koch Industries, the privately held, Kansas-based oil company whose namesake family members are avatars of the far right, having helped to found archconservative institutions like the Cato Institute and Citizens for a Sound Economy. Not only that, but two Koch executives, Richard Fink and Robert P. Hall III, are listed as members of the board of trustees and the event committee, respectively--meaning that they gave significantly more than $25,000.

"The DLC board of trustees is an elite body whose membership is reserved for major donors...."

[SaveElmer]

40. Thanks!!!

I emailed DLC and know they read the email...so hopefully they will respond!!!

[longship]

8. I'll support this.

As you know, SaveElmer, I'm not fan of the DLC. But I can't see running somebody against Feinstein unless he or she has a chance to win against the inevitable Repug challenger if Feinstein doesn't prevail in a primary.

I think positive engagement is a much better strategy for these people. They mostly vote the Dem way, but some of their votes are clearly against my interests, e.g., CAFTA. So a simple snail mail expressing displeasure and making a brief, well-reasoned argument can do wonders. In the long run, this is the best way to approach this.

[SaveElmer]

10. Longship...this is a reasonable approach

I'm really not a DLC partisan...I simply think the attacks on them have gone way over the top...

I don't support CAFTA, nor was I in favor of the war...but I recognize some may disagree with me...and I'm not prepared to ascribe evil motivations to those actions just because they are a member of the DLC

I'm sorry but I don't think half the Democrats in the senate including John Kerry and Hillary Clinton, or people such as John Warner amd Eliot Spitzer, are part of some nefarious plot to destroy the country...

For God sake Eliot Spitzer is making his reputation as an enemy of corporate greed...yet he is a DLC member

[radio4progressives]

26. Feinstein is needs to be REPLACED by a real Dem. n/t

[longship]

27. I'd love to see a liberal Dem in there.

But if running a Dem against Dianne meant that there was a chance we'd lose the seat to a Repug, that would be a far cry worse than what we've got now. Who would run against her?

It would be interesting to get somebody to try. It may knock some sense into her if she had some primary competition. I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. Her seat is pretty secure.

[Mairead]

23. The ADA rating is based on only 20 votes, unranked for importance

Any vote with the ADA, no matter what the vote is about, gets 5 points. Look at the mapping (taken from the Vote-Smart site): No Dem got less than 45, no GOPer got more than 65. There are only 5 Dems who got lower than the highest GOPer, and only 6 GOPers who got higher than the lowest Dem. And yet any fool knows that we've been sold out on the issues that matter.

What that says to me about the ADA ratings is 'worthless'.


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[Erika]

2. I'm a Paul Wellstone Democrat

Who would laugh at the DLC now. I also hold them in contempt.

[Name removed]

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[Mass]

17. Reasonning - You did not know - DLC is the thing to bad.

Let's vote Republicans rather than DLC because they are ALL such bad guys :sarcasm:

Welcome to DU. I hope that you have been lurking for a while now and that you understand that this is the worse of DU that is revelead here.

Most of our time is spent attacking Republicans, not focusing on three letters (except GOP and RNC, of course).

[radio4progressives]

24. You must have missed the opening fire FROM the DLC!

It's really heated up now, but this "DLC bashing" is in response to their ratched up smear campaigns against Dean, against the progressives community in general, most particularly in the past week.

They've even enlisted so called progressive talk show hosts like Jerry Springer, and Ed - I'm not really a Progressive, but I play one on the Radio - Schutlz, this past week launching smear campaign against Jane Fonda for instance and using her to smear anti-war activists and other progressive grassroots orgs, probably to "prove" to the Repugs how "moderate" they are.


Were it not for their divisive attacks - they would fade into obscurity. Except they're too power hungry and their arrogance in thinking that they're going to "set the Democratic Party Agenda" - with absolutely no regard to grassroots concerns - and act as if the "agenda" is "theirs" to set - (as in the past) - speaks volumes in my mind.

This party needs to be reformed in the worse way, but the DLC is not the people to do the house cleaning. It is the grass roots who should choose party leadership.

no more self annointed ones please.

[Mass]

13. Wellstone must be LOL on these discussions

He knew that you should not judge people by a label, but by who they are.

They are rotten people both in and out of the DLC.

They are good people both in and out of the DLC.

And you know: nobody is 100 % good or bad. Oh I forgot, DLC people are 100 % bad. Non DLC people 100 % right (as Salazar, I imagine. or Byrd attacking liberal judges the other day, ...).

I would suggest that we have somebody against Spitzer, because he is such a bad guy.

[punpirate]

28. Yes, Wellstone knew not to judge people by labels...

... he dealt with them by what they were.

And he wasn't one of the people you seem to defend. He wasn't a DLCer. To associate him by implication with them is to do him and his memory a disservice.

It's not a matter of either/or. That's the kind of Republican Manichean thinking which has permeated politics today, and which you seem to embrace. But, someone who favors the interests of big business over the interests of ordinary people is not a Democrat (or a democrat). I don't think Wellstone could be said to be generally of that group.

DLCers are.

They may convince themselves they're working for the betterment of the country, but they'll never be able to make that assessment honestly until they repudiate all money from large corporations. Corporate money buys the access that none of the rest of us can afford. That's not democracy, and Wellstone has said as much.

Cheers.

[CWebster]

32. WHAT WELLSTONE SAID:

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20010219&s=wellstone


They are his own words, so bookmark it and never again use his name in defense of the DLC.

[flaminbats]

16. remember what DLC donors did to Clinton after 1992..

they supported the filibuster of Clinton's stimulus package, labeled his five-year budget plan as "tax and spend liberalism", attacked the employer mandate in his healthcare plan as anti-business, and remained silent when the Republican Congress impeached him! They did nothing to help Democrats win back Congress after 1994, and strongly support the reckless military spending of current Republicans.

If a "NEW" Democratic President is elected in 2008..the DLC may support policies Ben Nelson or Phil Bredeson, otherwise they will resort to the same backstabbing techniques used against Clinton.

[Mass]

18. Clinton IS DLC. So this makes no sense

Actually, it makes my point. STop focusing on these three letters.

[bvar22]

33. No it doesn't.

"With Clinton's election, the DLC -- and its now-formed companion think tank, the Progressive Policy Institute -- lost its status as the arbiter of New Democratic public policy. That mantle shifted to Clinton. "The election of Clinton resulted in his, not the DLC's, setting the bounds of what a New Democrat was," writes Baer. "Clinton's inability to implement the New Democratic agenda caused many to doubt his commitment to the New Democratic cause as well as the utility of the public philosophy generally."

"The DLC had made a political gamble that by backing a less-than-100% New Democrat -- in contrast to men like Robb and Nunn who were purists -- it could push the New Democratic agenda forward. But as with many others, Clinton initially disappointed the DLC. For example, the early Clinton administration chose to place a priority on crafting a plan for national healthcare -- a proposal that the DLC viewed tepidly -- rather than on the more New Democrat-friendly idea of welfare reform. Clinton's much-noted ability to appear all things to all people apparently blinded the DLC, and they were stuck with a public face that did not always adhere to the organization's principles."



<snip>

" At first, like a scorned lover, the DLC has a fit over Clinton's lack of fealty to its cause. In 1994, its then-chairman -- then-Rep. Dave McCurdy (OK) -- publicly denounced Clinton as having "the heart of an Old Democrat." In 1995 and early 1996, some DLC leaders toy with abandoning Clinton, and the Democratic Party in favor of a new party."
<end>

excerpted from:
Book Review: Inventing New Democrats
by Bob Kolasky

Bill Clinton was not a purist member of the DLC. Bill Clinton formed relationships with anyone who could help him.
He was (and still is) a charming CON who could make you thank him for lifting your wallet.
He used the DLC.

[wyldwolf]

29. Should far left come clean with their true Identity Now or After 2008?

Should the far left come clean with associates and constituents to publically declare their true alligence with the Republican party now, or should they wait until after 2008 when their little temper tantrums and threats to vote Green puts another Republican in the White House?

Would this be in the best interest of the "Democratic" Party, since America no longer really exists in reality, the Constitution has all been tattered to shreds, and what little representation democracy we've ever "enjoyed" during the last century has been utterly destroyed under the last administration because the far looney left continues to assert their is no difference in the two parties.

Or do Nader/McGovern/socialist supporters relish another Republican administration?

It seems to me that the far looney should just delcare their true affinity for taking Republican money (Nader), losing electoral landslides (McGovern), etc. in the name of "purity" and their narrow interpretations of "principles."

I would feel bad about losing another election,

You WILL lose another election. Think the Greens or the American Socialist Party is going to win?

Now, I'll just sit back and watch how rattled your cage is.

[flaminbats]

34. "Now, I'll just sit back and watch how rattled your cage is."

ohhh, why thankyou..maybe this cage is just where we all belong :crazy:

[Q]

35. You give yourself too much credit...

...if you think your DLCDiatribes rattle anyone's cages.

I see that you were able to slip the usual 'looney' smear into your rant. We're aware that you have chosen words like 'looney', 'far-left' and 'fringe' for the same reason the RWingers use them. Your hated of liberals is obvious...yet you still come off with these self-righteous rants that paint you and the DLC as victims.

In the end...the DLC must either join with the people or the Right. They can't have it both ways.

[bvar22]

36. OK...OK You got me. I'm coming clean. Please stop rattling my cage.

I take NO contributions from Corporations and the RICH.
I am an unpaid lobby for the Working Class and Poor of America.

I am a Capitalist who advocates restraint and regulation to ensure Fair Trade and Fair Competition. I believe Mom & Pop should be able to compete with the Wal-Marts on a level FAIR Playing field. That makes me an "OLD Democrat" like FDR, JFK, and LBJ.

I lobby for:

STRONG Unions and protections for LABOR

Universal HealthCare

Withdrawal from NAFTA, CAFTA, and SHAFTA

Reasonable Protection for American Jobs

Affordable Education for Anyone that wants it

Social Support for those who need it

Criminalizing Corporate Lobbying

Publicly Funded Elections

Verifiable Elections

Reregulation of Utilities, Energy, Transportation, Banking, Investment, and Insurance



Those are my MAIN faults. I knew you would find out sooner or later that I represent the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of DEMOCRATS, and on most issues, the Majority of American Voters (Repub and Dem). That make me the DLC's worst enemy.

Mea Culpa...Mea Culpa

[Moderator]

41. Locking

Hate em, Love em, they're still Democrats. Calling the DLC and our members who support them Republicans is against the rules.