No Time for Left and Right, the clock is ticking...

[brindis_desala]

After listening to the interview with Indira Singh I came away more convinced than ever that we are facing a quiet revolution of global proportions. If we accept the New World Order paradigm as the framework within which the poles of wealth and power exert their influence then we see that everything; be it GATT or NAFTA or CAFTA, 9-11, the Patriot Act, the DLC, preemptive war or the rigging of U.S. elections all coalesce towards the restriction of liberty, the erosion of nations, and the demise of democracy in favor of imperial corporatist hegemony.
We the people can no longer afford to think in dated terms of 'right and 'left'. Further, I believe the Islamic 'threat' is a manufactured smokescreen,'an opportunity' that provides the means to an unjustified end- i.e. the Iraq Invasion.
I realized this depressing view must bear some validity when I found myself in agreement with Jesse Helms...

EXCERPTS FROM SENATOR JESSE HELMS' SPEECH BEFORE THE SENATE, ON 15 DECEMBER, 1987, WARNING AGAINST THE NEW WORLD ORDER:

"This campaign against the American people -against traditional American culture and values - is systematic psychological warfare. It is orchestrated by a vast array of interests comprising not only the Eastern establishment but also the radical left. Among this group we find the Department of State, the Department of Commerce, the money center banks and multinational corporations, the media, the educational establishment, the entertainment industry, and the large tax-exempt foundations.
Mr. President, a careful examination of what is happening behind the scenes reveals that all of these interests are working in concert with the masters of the Kremlin in order to create what some refer to as a New World Order. Private organizations such as the Council on Foreign Relations, the Royal Institute of International Affairs, the Trilateral Commission, the Dartmouth Conference, the Aspen Institute for Humanistic Studies, the Atlantic Institute, and the Bilderberger Group serve to disseminate and to coordinate the plans for this so-called New World Order in powerful business, financial, academic, and official circles. . . .

The psychological campaign that I am describing, as I have said, is the work of groups within the Eastern establishment, that amorphous amalgam of wealth and social connections whose power resides in its control over our financial system and over a large portion of our industrial sector. The principal instrument of this control over the American economy and money is the Federal Reserve System. The policies of the Industrial sectors, primarily the multinational corporations, are influenced by the money center banks through debt financing and through the large blocks of stock controlled by the trust departments of the money center banks.

Anyone familiar with American history, and particularly American economic history, cannot fail to notice the control over the Department of State and the Central Intelligence Agency which Wall Street seems to exercise....

The influence of establishment insiders over our foreign policy has become a fact of life in our time. This pervasive influence runs contrary to the real long-term national security of our Nation. It is an influence which, if unchecked, could ultimately subvert our constitutional order.

The viewpoint of the establishment today is called globalism. Not so long ago, this viewpoint was called the "one-world" view by its critics. The phrase is no longer fashionable among sophisticates; yet, the phrase "one-world" is still apt because nothing has changed in the minds and actions of those promoting policies consistent with its fundamental tenets.

Mr. President, in the globalist point of view, nation-states and national boundaries do not count for anything. Political philosophies and political principles seem to become simply relative. Indeed, even constitutions are irrelevant to the exercise of power. Liberty and tyranny are viewed as neither necessarily good nor evil, and certainly not a component of policy.

In this point of view, the activities of international financial and industrial forces should be oriented to bringing this one-world design - with a convergence of the Soviet and American systems as its centerpiece - into being. . . . All that matters to this club is the maximization of profits resulting from the practice of what can be described as finance capitalism, a system which rests upon the twin pillars of debt and monopoly. This isn't real capitalism. It is the road to economic concentration and to political slavery."

The choice is simple, its people vs profit.

[displacedtexan]

1. Jesse Helms is your go-to guy on this issue?

Excuse me while I vomit.

[brindis_desala]

8. So can I assume you support the NWO? BTW it was BUSH I that

introduced that term and we've be steaming full speed ahead ever since.
The old divide and conquer tactic works best among rigid ideologues.

[TwentyFive]

2. Good Idea! If Jesse Helms said this about Globalism, then...

there is maybe hope for select members of the 'right' and 'left coming together to stop this.

Helms is right. We are working our way into political slavery to finance capitalism.

[K-W]

3. Right and left are not dated.

Right - authoritarian
Left - populist

I think that destinction is just as important now as it ever has been.

[izzie]

4. I think we are in middle of a world revolutions but-----

I am not sure if it is just the corp. thing. Many more countries are Democratic than when I was a child and a lot are living a lot better than we are. I think the corp. are just part of it. Like the national movement world wide. I wish I could figure it out but it is way above my pay grade. It is almost like we have half the world that wants to move ahead and half that wants to go back wards. You can almost pick every thing apart on this. Like the stem cell thing. It is almost like the Church putting out laws that the dead body can not be studied like they did at one time. I just can not get ah old of the whole thing and what is going on. On the corp. thing. Do recall that we, the US, was set up by Corp just as India was. When they did not work England sent in armies to in-force the trade thing etc. I will tell you that in my family their was a man who was to pay off the debt to the people who sent over the Mayflower. They set up a place in Maine to trap animals to send fur to England. So the corp. is not new in how it will try to do things.I do think we are finding that the new thinkers are coming from other countries and not the USA. It may be that we got so many thoughts from Europe and now we have Asia, and the Middle East talking also.

[Mass]

5. Only one thing to say

Workers of all countries, unite.

And I am sure Helms would not like that.

[bloom]

6. If the division was

people who substantially benefit from the current system 10% (in the US, say)

and people who don't 90% (for instance)

and the 90% decided to do something about it - there would be progress.

But there are the 10% and then the 90% are split between those who see themselves as liberals and everyone else - each group who thinks they are better than the other and threatened by the other.

Or you could split it 30-30-30 - with the centrists thinking they are better than either of the other side - and figuring that THEY are the most important because whichever way they are persuaded is the way that it goes. Even though they may not feel strongly about anything and are mostly influenced by personality and TV manipulations.

It seems that if anything - the divisions are growing. Whether they make sense or not.



And just keep in mind (esp. #4)

"the four immoral principles of the Dominionist movement "

From:

http://www.theocracywatch.org/yurica_weyrich_manual.htm


1) Falsehoods are not only acceptable, they are a necessity. The corollary is: The masses will accept any lie if it is spoken with vigor, energy and dedication.


2) It is necessary to be cast under the cloak of "goodness" whereas all opponents and their ideas must be cast as "evil."


3) Complete destruction of every opponent must be accomplished through unrelenting personal attacks.


4) The creation of the appearance of overwhelming power and brutality is necessary in order to destroy the will of opponents to launch opposition of any kind.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4206982&mesg_id=4206982

[brindis_desala]

7. I'm not sure all these reactionary "movements" are on the same page.

But it appears that they have made a marriage of convenience. Witness the rapture rightists and AIPAC. In some ways we are the victims of democracy's success in that people feel free to attach themselves to differing ideologies. But what the Singh interview clearly illustrates is that there is a core of power that operates independently of the law and is virtually untouchable.

[bloom]

9. It is odd

like the Jesse Helms diatribe you quoted - he made in 1998.

When the Dems are in - the Republicans see all of the conspiracies. When the Republicans are in - the Dems do.

To some extent - we may all be right. Like maybe Clinton did have a deal with the CIA in Arkansas (one of their favorite rants) just like we may be right about the CIA and Bush and 9/11. If we all saw that there was a conspiracy - that it was connected - that would be a powerful thing.

(The centrists may never believe any of it though :) ).

[brindis_desala]

10. Don't forget Harriman sold weapons to both the NAZIS and the

RED ARMY. Britain's MI6 trained the Ayatollah Khomeini. Money trumps ideology every time.

[Moderator]

11. Locking

The Moderators are reviewing this thread, stand by.