Clark Supporters,

[xultar]

You know, I hate to say it, but Clark isn't going to get the nomination.
Remember back in the day we couldn't get the media to say a peep about Clark. Well now not to look soooo suspicious they are reporting on him but everything is negative. They aren't reporting on his overflow crowds, they are calling him (desperate), they aren't talking about the fact that, Rangel, Dinkins, past SC Governor are campaigning for him, they are reporting that he is losing steam.


This is why I hate the media! HATE :nuke: HATE :nuke: HATE :Nuke:
The media.

:grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr:

[Jack_Dawson]

1. Oh Ye of Little Faith

Let's let the voters decide. I'm over polls. Gebhardt was supposed to win Iowa and came in 4th.

[blm]

21. He'll do better than they want you to think.

Look what Kerry and Edwards did after being declared dead for months.

You can't stop because the press wants you to.

[tishaLA]

2. Oh Pshaw

I think you can never tell. The media likes a roller coaster. They haven't discovered the narrative they want to present yet. They want to play up the "Clark is unstable" thing, but they can only hit him with Moore. His chances are better than most. Buck up!

[Toucano]

17. Rollercoaster is right!

We've seen the ups and downs. Fasten your seat belt!

[BootinUp]

3. xultar, remember the last time?

*SLAP!*


:)

[xultar]

8. Thanks I needed that!

:spank:

[slinkerwink]

4. there's still hope, and Clark is still leading in a few state polls

where he can win them and then go onto the nomination.

[xultar]

23. Thanks Slinkerwink. The media makes me so sick I could

:puke:

[Toucano]

24. That means a lot.

Thanks for the encouragement, slinkerwink.:thumbsup:

[Tom Rinaldo]

26. Your encouragement and solidarity is much appreciated

and it speaks highly of your integrity as well. Thanks. We can't let media spin control our most important choices. We don't have to always agree, but we should be free to make informed decisions. Your candidate stands for the people also, and I have always appreciated that about him.

[slinkerwink]

53. thank you for saying that....

you're right that we should be free to make informed decisions. I long for the day when our candidates' comments won't be taken out of context or parsed like Dean's comment was about Iraqis not being better off now. That comment was uttered during a women's forum, and the media DIDN'T report the rest of what he said at that forum!

[LoneStarLiberal]

5. I Hear Ya

Although I still think there's a lot in play in the February 3 and February 7 primaries; South Carolina is only one of them. We've got a good bit of scratch for a war chest for those primaries, and a close finish of Kerry-Dean in New Hampshire or a surprising Dean-Kerry finish in New Hampshire will benefit our candidate.

It's tough, though. Clark's really taken a hiding in the media. I have a much better appreciation now for what the Dean supporters complained about for so long; it really can get you down!

[maxr4clark]

6. Have faith in the people. The polls were wrong in Iowa! n/t

[maddezmom]

7. gotta keep the faith :)

We gotta great man and he's got lots of money and supporters all over the country. Let's just wait and see what happens. :) Chin up.

[bicentennial_baby]

9. Y'know what?

I am damn sick of seeing these chicken little threads around here. Have some faith fer chrissakes! We asked General Clark to run, and he needs our support more than ever, not our fading faith and doomsday predictions.

/rant over

[Jack_Dawson]

12. Amen

Clark rules. I just want the fucking N.H. primary to HAPPEN already. This is the longest week in history.

[Jerseycoa]

18. OMG, look at that awesome trainfare

:bounce:

https://secure.clark04.com/

Anybody getting shaky should go pay ten bucks for the train. It works well on morale to feel you are doing something. :)

[returnable]

10. The media doesn't vote...

...people do.

Please, don't pull a "it's all the media's fault" tantrum a day before a vote is even cast. I didn't like reading it last week from another candidate's supporters, either. That's bunk.

From one Clark supporter to another, let me buy you a round :beer:

Our man is gonna do fine in NH and move on to the February 3rd battleground states.

As we've seen already, the media is fickle. They may be burying Clark now (just like they did with Kerry, and then Dean), but they'll be ready to pump him back up again once he creates his own momentum (just like they did with Kerry, and then Dean).

Cheers :hi:

[kstewart33]

11. Hang in there

Maybe not prez but how about VP? He'd make a great VP candidate!

[_NorCal_D_]

13. Don't worry xultar.

That's what they said about Clinton. B-)

[BigBigBear]

14. Unfortunately, I agree

Fourth in NH, at best. Third or fourth in SC.

I don't blame the media - I blame the Democratic orthodoxy, questioning whether he was a 'real' Democrat. Well, the media played a role also.

[xultar]

30. I know Clark can survive a 4th. But I'm tellin ya

The headline from Democracy now, the Barbie Embed saying hes desperate, Faux Debate with the dumb ass questions, Russert with his dumb ass questions, jeez!

It's a wonder that anyone with any common sense would wanna run for office @ all.

If they aren't ignoring the guy they are shooting him out of the sky. That is pretty damn sad.

I am also pissed cuz they built Dean up to tear him down. Kerry & Edwards will be next. If Clark lasts then they'll do the same to him. Build him up and then take shots at the podium until he falls.

EU! I wanna kicka some ass today!

[TexasPatriot]

37. imagine what they'll say

if he wins 3 states on Feb 3...

they'll look as stupid as they did predicting Dean in a runaway the day before Iowa.

The problem with all of these news programs is that they start eating their own dogfood - and they become an echochamber. There's a reality out there - a lot of voters in NH will choose to stay home and watch American Idol (and no doubt call the station to complain when it gets interrupted with a Fox exit poll). There's a gritty determination in a lot of the NH Clark supporters i see in NH.

We're going to do fine. The media will change its tune on Feb 3.

[Tom Rinaldo]

15. Bet you don't like roller coasters either lol

Clark has been written off before, remember? A solid 3rd place finish in NH is a very real possibility. Even a close fourth keeps him in play, or conceivably lower. I started a thread to discuss the possibilities, called New Hampshire Results May Be Inconclusive:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=196651

The polling in NH is hopelessly erratic, always has been, and Independent voters play a significant roll there. For example, if Clark comes in third, they have to keep covering him. Hang in there.

[roguevalley]

34. he already said fourth would be good. it would be a start. The rest of the

primaries will tell. I have faith.

[Jerseycoa]

16. Bite your damned tongue, xultar

And buck up!!

[Auntie Bush]

19. That's why I hate the media too

I was so depressed yesterday...not because I lost faith in Clark, But because I was so discussed with the media. Now I wish they would just keep quiet and let the NH voters tell us what they think without all their prejudice & negative comments. If Clark gets 3rd place I'll be very happy. I hope he will show those pundits they're wrong again. I also hope Howard Dean whoops Kerry's ass...but not by tooo much.

[madmax]

20. Thwack!!

"Snap out of it" Cher ;)

[mmonk]

22. Way too early to quit

with as many places out there where we have double didget percentage numbers.

[meow mix]

25. la la la

im happy with the general.
onwards!! to death!

um your like one of them guys in braveheart when they say
"alright men! lets go home!!"
right as the battle about to start. =)

teehee just think thats super cute =)

[Jack_Dawson]

28. You go Meow Meow

[Memekiller]

27. When the media chose Clark as the guy who could...

...beat Dean, I said the only thing we know is that whatever the trends at the polls are now, they will fundamentally change after Iowa. Now that Clark is "finished", like Kerry and Edwards before him, I'll say again: the only thing we know for sure is that the race fundamentally changes after New Hampshire, and all the current "trends" will be shown to be nonsense.

It's anyone's game.

[aquanut]

29. Expectations have been lowered

Which makes beating expectations easier. Let's not give up before the voters have had their say.

[xultar]

31. How can voters even have a say above the pundits and

their bull$hit? I haven't heard a thing from the voters it's all about nonsense and BS not issues and nothing that will help the voters actually make an informed decision. I feel so bad for people who don't have access to the web. They have to buy the medias crap. :hurts:

[in_cog_ni_to]

32. Now, now, Xultar...

Snap out of it! :) Did you watch C-SPAN this morning????? First they had 2 young Clarkies on who spoke oh, so eloquently about Wes. THEN, we saw Wes Jr. ...The apple doesn't fall far from the tree! He was a wonderful spokesperson for his dad. THEN, they had an interview with Ted Danson and Mary Steenburgeon (SP?). It was ALL GOOD and POSITIVE coverage! Wes is going to surprise us tomorrow or should I say the NH voters are going to surprise the Faux News, MSNBC, ABC, NBC news pundits.

I saw a report on CNN that he is climbing up the polls a bit...Bob Franken said so! :7 Screw the media! They, every last one of them should be ashamed of themselves for what they have been doing! I wrote them ALL and told them so, too. Maybe you should send off a few emails? It will make you feel better if you tell the pundits what you think. :7 Just because the media is negligent in NOT reporting the facts as they are does not mean they don't exist...right? WE know what kind of crowds Wes is pulling and that's all we need to know.

Cheer up! Wes Will Win!!!!!

[xultar]

33. I...cannot STAND the MEDIA!....They should all...

[Jerseycoa]

35. I love that heinie

:7

[xultar]

44. They don't have any brown heinies out there...

it doesn't matter mine is so cold it really is pink ;)

[in_cog_ni_to]

39. Hehehe....

TO THE MEDIA! TO THE CHIMP-IN-CHIEF! TO ANY REPORTER WHO HAS EVER LIED ABOUT WES CLARK! TO KKKROVE!

[Jerseycoa]

56. Yay!!!!!! More heinies.

:bounce:

[onehandle]

36. Let's talk after Feb 3rd. Hold on. nt

[West Coast Democrat]

38. Weren't they saying this about Kerry a while back?

that his campaign was hopeless?

[Rowdyboy]

40. I did not see this thread

Nor will I ever see it. At least not until mmid-March. Bye now.

[Tatiana]

41. BUCK UP!!!!!!!!

Pardon, the terminology, but this is a war, and we've yet to fight our first battle. Yes, it seems like everything is against us, but I still believe in miracles and I have faith in the American people. I have faith that they want to see some genuine change in their government and will do what is necessary to effect that change.

And if you find yourself waffling, think about all those pretty pennies the campaign has to burn...

[windansea]

42. TANK them all

may Russert....Faux News...and the rest feel themselves SQUISHED INTO GREASE SPOTS by my TANK

[Jerseycoa]

45. I love

a pacifist. ;)

[Tatiana]

59. Geez

I'm really startin' to :loveya: that tank of yours!

[henslee]

43. Clark will do just fine..... RELAX....

I like Clark. He is special. No one else connects with me. I like his attitude.

[andym]

46. It's a great test for Clark

It's a great test for Clark, if he can overcome media negative media press then he's going to be a great candidate in the GE.

How does he do it?

GO straight to the people (via tv):
Leno, Oprah, other talk shows...

[mikehiggins]

47. I'm looking at polls of likely Democratic voters up on the tv

and then the talking-heads point out that (a) the voters have a history of changing their minds in the polling booth itself, (b) the polls do not reflect the 40+% of NH voters who are "undeclared" and who can vote in this primary and (c) the main issue for the vast majority of voters is "who can beat Bush?"

My conclusion? The polls and the pollsters and the pundits are full of crap. This is the media's last chance to stop Clark, as they see it, and they are pulling out all the stops. All we have to do, no matter what happens in this primary, is to keep on going and we'll be able to beat them.

This is the first time Clark has had to run in an election. It is unreasonable to expect him to win. If he doesn't win, then the only possible other story for the media is that he is finished. That's the way these things play out and that's the story the media really wants to tell.

I say we keep on with the campaign even if we have to tie and bind Clark and wheel him around the states like Hannibal Lecter in a hand truck (though I suspect he'll come willingly).

If we let the media defeat us we might just as well have stayed home.

I've ordered my Clark shirt. Don't make that be for nothing.

On to the convention!

[John_H]

48. They'll shut up after tomorrow.

[LuLu550]

49. Wait until he gets down south

Bartcop posted a poll from Oklahoma that has Clark ahead of everyone by 24%!

[SeveneightyWhoa]

50. My prediction:

Clark will place second in NH.
He is not dead yet, my friends! And he won't be!

[teevee99]

52. can't with for a clark/b* debate!

:)

[Auntie Bush]

51. Slap...slap...slap...now I feel better...thanks

[TexasSissy]

54. I think Clark will narrowly win the nomination.

I really do. This has been a very difficult week for the General. There will be further ups and downs. But in the end, he'll get it.

[cally]

55. I've gone through my days of optimism and

pessism so I'm not going to criticize your pessism. It's been a tough week for Clark since Iowa. The media is horrible and his poll numbers are going down. I'm actually feeling very optimistic. I don't think anyone can predict NH. The numbers are all over the place and when you call NH voters they seem volatile. I think Clark will do fine and then on the Feb. 3 states where he already has an organization. He still not the frontrunner, but he has a good chance. :-)

[elcondor]

57. I have thoughts like these too BUT

we cannot give up hope. Keep working hard--volunteer your time to the campaign and ignore the media whores. We know who's going to come out on top in the end.

[Kat45]

58. I think Clark is going to do much better in NH than people think.

Despite what the pollsters and talking heads say, Clark has momentum. He's been all over NH, and his events have had overflow crowds. My impression is that when people see and hear him, they like him--a lot. And that's important in helping folks decide how to vote.

NH folks like to think of themselves as independent, individualists, and some of them are likely to be pissed off by the media telling everyone what they think. Many there do wait til the last minute to make their decision.

And it's not a given that Kerry will win NH just because he's from Mass. Kerry may be from the state next door, but he ain't no New Hampshire homeboy. Many NH folks have a disdain for Massachusetts. Who do you think calls us Massholes all the time? LOL There are even a number of people in Mass who do not like Kerry; I'd imagine that feeling is even stronger in NH.