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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 03:15 PM
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Kerry: Israel can't provide goods in talks with Palestinians
Leading Democratic presidential hopeful John Kerry on Monday said the government in Israel currently lacks someone who can provide the goods in everything connected to negotiations with the Palestinians.
"It's very difficult for Israel to negotiate because in Israel there is nobody to negotiate to actually deliver," Kerry said at a political rally in New Hampshire ahead of Tuesday's primary.

Kerry also criticized the settlement policy of the Israeli government and said that it was a mistake to increase building there at this time. The Massachusetts senator called for strengthening the Palestinian Authority so that it will be stronger than Hamas.

"It's important for us to leverage the Palestinian Authority in order for them to be stronger than Hamas on the ground," he said.

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Kerry shrugged off criticism from Republicans that he is a liberal who cannot compete in the South, saying "if what they want is to start calling me names, they've got a problem. If the worst thing they can say about me is I'm a liberal or something, I say 'let's go, bring it on.'"
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/387255.html




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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 03:17 PM
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1. Well, that took some guts
Kudos to Kerry.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 03:18 PM
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2. HOT DAMN! You found something he said that I can agree with!
He's still a little soft on Israel for my liking, but I'll be damned if this stance doesn't make me happy! It would certainly be a far cry from Dumbass*'s policies with regards to Israel!
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Poseidon Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 03:26 PM
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6. It's important to be fair
Clinton was relatively fair, Bush isn't. Being hard on Israel is not being fair either. It's important to be hard on both sides. Make Israel remove the settlements, and if they insist on building the wall, make them build it on their own land. In return, make the Palestinians "remove" members of Hamas.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 05:44 PM
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28. YAY....
Edited on Mon Jan-26-04 05:44 PM by blm
y'know, Walt, if you studied his positions more, you'd be even more pleasantly surprised.

www.johnkerry.com
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cindyw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 03:19 PM
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3. I love this.
"Kerry shrugged off criticism from Republicans that he is a liberal who cannot compete in the South, saying "if what they want is to start calling me names, they've got a problem. If the worst thing they can say about me is I'm a liberal or something, I say 'let's go, bring it on.'""

I love this.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 03:40 PM
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7. Kerry is not afraid to defend our principles.
I look forward to the day when, thanks to Kerry, liberal is no longer a dirty word in politics.


Sen. John F. Kennedy, acceptance of the New York Liberal Party Nomination, September 14, 1960.

What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label "Liberal?" If by "Liberal" they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer's dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of "Liberal." But if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal."

But first, I would like to say what I understand the word "Liberal" to mean and explain in the process why I consider myself to be a "Liberal," and what it means in the presidential election of 1960.

In short, having set forth my view -- I hope for all time -- two nights ago in Houston, on the proper relationship between church and state, I want to take the opportunity to set forth my views on the proper relationship between the state and the citizen. This is my political credo:

I believe in human dignity as the source of national purpose, in human liberty as the source of national action, in the human heart as the source of national compassion, and in the human mind as the source of our invention and our ideas. It is, I believe, the faith in our fellow citizens as individuals and as people that lies at the heart of the liberal faith. For liberalism is not so much a party creed or set of fixed platform promises as it is an attitude of mind and heart, a faith in man's ability through the experiences of his reason and judgment to increase for himself and his fellow men the amount of justice and freedom and brotherhood which all human life deserves.

I believe also in the United States of America, in the promise that it contains and has contained throughout our history of producing a society so abundant and creative and so free and responsible that it cannot only fulfill the aspirations of its citizens, but serve equally well as a beacon for all mankind. I do not believe in a superstate. I see no magic in tax dollars which are sent to Washington and then returned. I abhor the waste and incompetence of large-scale federal bureaucracies in this administration as well as in others. I do not favor state compulsion when voluntary individual effort can do the job and do it well. But I believe in a government which acts, which exercises its full powers and full responsibilities. Government is an art and a precious obligation; and when it has a job to do, I believe it should do it. And this requires not only great ends but that we propose concrete means of achieving them.

Our responsibility is not discharged by announcement of virtuous ends. Our responsibility is to achieve these objectives with social invention, with political skill, and executive vigor. I believe for these reasons that liberalism is our best and only hope in the world today. For the liberal society is a free society, and it is at the same time and for that reason a strong society. Its strength is drawn from the will of free people committed to great ends and peacefully striving to meet them. Only liberalism, in short, can repair our national power, restore our national purpose, and liberate our national energies. And the only basic issue in the 1960 campaign is whether our government will fall in a conservative rut and die there, or whether we will move ahead in the liberal spirit of daring, of breaking new ground, of doing in our generation what Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman and Adlai Stevenson did in their time of influence and responsibility.

Our liberalism has its roots in our diverse origins. Most of us are descended from that segment of the American population which was once called an immigrant minority. Today, along with our children and grandchildren, we do not feel minor. We feel proud of our origins and we are not second to any group in our sense of national purpose. For many years New York represented the new frontier to all those who came from the ends of the earth to find new opportunity and new freedom, generations of men and women who fled from the despotism of the czars, the horrors of the Nazis, the tyranny of hunger, who came here to the new frontier in the State of New York. These men and women, a living cross section of American history, indeed, a cross section of the entire world's history of pain and hope, made of this city not only a new world of opportunity, but a new world of the spirit as well.



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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 03:46 PM
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9. *sheds tear*
Yep. Kerry is a liberal, thats why of the big 4 I support him most, and yeah I do still support DK, but of the big 4 Kerry is a liberal. I tell you this, I think Kerry could be like Kennedy, hes different than Jack in many ways of course too but I see striking simliarites, Masschutians, Catholics, well to do background, Navy veterans/heroes, and I see a potential to be loved by the general public with Kerry, hes really special. I think that the youth will like and turn out for Kerry, more so than they did for Gore, I remember back in 2000 when I was 13, and they would have polls of kids my age (13-17), dumbya would win them, I admire and like the hell out of Al Gore but he didnt go well with this group, and while we cant vote, we can influence, and I think personally Kerry will be liked by this group. In fact, many young DUers including myself like Kerry a lot, I am not the first young DUer to support him and I Wont be the last.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 03:49 PM
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11. Kerry got more young voters in Iowa than Dean did
Kerry has the ability to draw EVERYONE into his tent, that's why this myth that he's unelectable is so laughable.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 04:00 PM
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16. and first time voters
Edwards beat Dean on that too. Yep, Kerry could have what I call a "Kerry Koalition" lol, the youth like him, as Ive seen on TV and andecotal evidence, my classmates, my fellow aged DUers, and he also seems to well with seniors as evident by Iowa, and again an ancedote, my grandparents like him and these are traditional dems like Dick Gephardt, my grandpa was a Gep man but I think he will join Kerry. Kerry won in Iowa with every group but 30-44 year olds and that was by one percentage point to Edwards, oh and he lost to people who considered themselves extremely liberal to Dean but again that was close, only by 4 points he lost that.
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Monte Carlo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 03:21 PM
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4. Sharon and his ilk are Israel's worst enemy right now...
... because they are not interested in peace and unity, they are interested in THEIR peace. Please stop the suicide bombers, please, while we just continue to muscle in on your territory inch by inch...

When Albert Einstein talked about Israel and the Jewish people, he talked about a nation that, like it's people has for thousands of years, placed the ideal of justice above all, even its own security. Israel needs to return to that notion.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 03:25 PM
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5. A great statement by Kerry
I fully expect him to be raked over the coals by all involved,like Dean was for daring to even suggest we be "evenhanded".
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damnraddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 03:43 PM
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8. Ooh, something really good from Kerry! I like this, especially ...
just in case Kerry ends up as the Dem candidate. It would be further excuse to support his campaign, even work in it. And it can push the other Dem candidates in what they say about the ME.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 03:48 PM
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10. I am not suprised by this at all
Whenever I take tests for candiates, its normally DK and Sharpton at the top, and Kerry next. It says something to me honestly, that Kerry may seem moderate on the surface but if you look and believe me I have, hes quite liberal. Of the big 4 I trust him most on the drug war, he even went so far in his RS interview to call it illegtimate. He wont do what DK would do but he has a liberal vision for this country. Plus I think environmentalists would love a Kerry adminstration, I hope we get to meet Secretary of the Interior, Mr. Robert F Kennedy Jr :).
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 03:52 PM
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12. exactly
part of the reason *I* love Kerry is because he's a liberal in moderate's clothing, in a way.

He HAS to seem moderate until he gets to the White House, then he's going to fight the Republicans in congress like hell and make everyone proud. It wouldn't shock me if he's able to rally the country for a Democratic revolution.

To me, Kerry is Dennis Kucinich living in real-time instead of 25 years into the future.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 04:04 PM
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18. Wasnt the original JFK simliar
He can unite, Iowa shows that to me. I like him and DK both the best. DK I was told is on friendly terms with Teresa and Chris, John's wife and stepson, and a interesting story on Chris, he was once a DUer or still is. He emailed me once as a matter of fact. Basically appreciating me sticking up for his step dad, and told me he gave DK's people my email and etc, and that was really nice. I hope Kerry could find some place for DK if Kerry is pres and if not then its all good, DK will be doing great things no matter what the outcome, and same with Kerry. The special K's as one person like I supports both calls em. I agree MR, this is godo.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 04:14 PM
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20. It is a comparison Kerry tries to avoid
well, for obvious reasons, that is a pretty high standard to live up to. But I do think they are similar in that they are both liberals who are strong on defense, who lead through inspiration rather than partisanship or cajoling.

I hope with all my heart that Kerry can unite us and help to heal the partisan polarization that is holding us back in so many ways.

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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 04:20 PM
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24. Yeah I know, course
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aldian159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 04:15 PM
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21. We need DK in the House
n/t
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 04:19 PM
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22. That'd be fine
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 08:25 PM
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31. you said it, magic rat
you said it really, really well!
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 09:09 PM
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34. I agree and he will do it with perfect diplomacy!
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mmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 03:58 PM
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13. This is a great development
how long has this been his stand?
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 03:59 PM
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14. Good for him...
Edited on Mon Jan-26-04 03:59 PM by Darranar
But I have doubts that he'd do something to stop it as president.

(Those doubts apply to all nine candidates.)
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 04:10 PM
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19. It is an issue that is easier to be right about
than it is to make right.

If Kerry can apply some of the patience I saw him using with the LaRouche hecklers he just might have a chance, though...

With a little help from the Clinton/Carter tag team for Middle East peace?

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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 04:20 PM
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23. With a little help from the Clinton/Carter tag team for Middle East peace?
Dont get my hopes up.Those two might be the only ones with a snowball's chance in hell of accomplishing anything over there.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 04:25 PM
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26. They both already told Kerry that they would do it.
That was the main point of his speech a while back, but the internet buzz only picked up the bone throwaway reference to James Baker.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 04:30 PM
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27. Yeah,I remember that
I still hate the Baker thing though ;-)

Seriously,those two would be perfect,or at least as close to it as possible,in that role.Both men are respected a great deal around the world,and most importantly,by both sides in the I/P clusterfuck.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 08:34 PM
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32. Told ya he wasnt so bad heh
If you look at his platform, I think you would be pleasantly suprised. Its pretty comphresnive and goes after a large variety of issues, DK does that too, and I appreciate both of them doing it.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 04:00 PM
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15. A courageous statement from Kerry
Any criticism of Israel is dangerous during a campaign. Kudos to Kerry for speaking the truth.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 04:03 PM
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17. Good statement! (nt)
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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 04:25 PM
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25. Wholly asd;sfd;lkj;l
this is really good news. I'll be watching his policy papers, but this is great!!! :-)
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 08:16 PM
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29. Different report from Jerusalem Post
Edited on Mon Jan-26-04 08:21 PM by Feanorcurufinwe
Democratic presidential candidate US Senator John Kerry said Monday that the absence of a Palestinian partner "who can deliver" has hampered Israel's ability to engage in peace negotiations.

Both he and former Vermont Governor Howard Dean, who is also vying for the Democratic nomination, said the US needed to support the Palestinian Authority to help contain Hamas's increasing popularity on the ground.
Speaking in New Hampshire a day before the crucial primary there, Kerry said it is "for us to leverage the Palestinian Authority to be able to become stronger on the ground in the West Bank than Hamas is.

"Today Hamas has more credibility with the people than they do. And it's very difficult for Israel to negotiate because Israel has nobody to negotiate with who can actually deliver," Kerry said.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1075114462105&p=1006688055060


Haaretz reports:
Leading Democratic presidential hopeful John Kerry on Monday said the government in Israel currently lacks someone who can provide the goods in everything connected to negotiations with the Palestinians.
"It's very difficult for Israel to negotiate because in Israel there is nobody to negotiate to actually deliver," Kerry said at a political rally in New Hampshire ahead of Tuesday's primary.
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/387255.html

And Jerusalem Post reports :
"Democratic presidential candidate US Senator John Kerry said Monday that the absence of a Palestinian partner "who can deliver" has hampered Israel's ability to engage in peace negotiations."


Rereading it I think Kerry was not talking about the Sharon government in the 'nobody to negotiate' comment, but was saying that because Hamas is so much more popular with the PA, negotiating with the PA doesn't do much good. But the Post article does not mention Kerry's criticism of the settlements.
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Mass_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 08:18 PM
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30. I agree completely
my #1 priority for the middle east would be the establishment of a peaceful Palestinian state. And a stable Iraq. And an investigation of the Saudi government's links to terrorism. ARRRRGGGHHHH!!!! So hard to prioritize in the middle east. :argh:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 04:47 PM
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36. Then I hope this will help
ease you into supporting Kerry if he is the nominee.
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 08:39 PM
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33. Hot Damn! Kerry is the man!
God I love this man! I can't wait to say President Kerry!
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 10:01 PM
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35. this is nothing new
kerry has said similar things before. he understands these things.
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