Dean's deals with the Devil

[Melodybe]

Every single time Dean dealt with big coperations while Gov. of Vermont the end result was that jobs stayed in Vermont. So yeah, he probably agreed to a few deals that were less than squeaky but keeping the people of his state employed seemed to be his main goal.

If anyone one has an example where the people of his state got screwed over b/c of one of his deals I would like to see it.

[creativelcro]

1. I agree with you! But watch out for those "coperations" :)

[Nederland]

2. True

Its really hard to be anti-corporation and pro-jobs simultaneously.

[AP]

4. But it's easy to be anti-flow wealth up to the top and be pro-jobs.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

11. it's easy to be pro-corporation and pro-jobs

pro-jobs in Communist China that is.

[AP]

3. Not really. Is Enron still in business?

When you make it easier for some megalith to compete, you're killing small businesses. Dean goes around saying that small business is the engine of the economy. Yet he cut property tax deals whith huge businesses which not only made it harder for small businesses to compete with them, but which passed the tax burden on to the middle class owners of the those businesses who actually lived in VT. The profits he gave to IBM on property tax flowed down to Armonk, NY and to the residents of communities within commuting distance of Wall St, like the one Dean grew up in.

[not systems]

6. I like this Edwards picture much better than the last one. n/t

[AP]

8. Give the people what they want.

:)

[Melodybe]

7. I bet Enron employeed a lot more people though.

Dean hasn't gotten to try his funding package for small businesses yet, but it is so good a plan apparently Kerry and Lieberman have said the same thing in debates.

Dean has an exceptional record when it comes to family farmers. Because agribusiness was so powerful in Vermont, Dean helped in the creation of some twenty odd farmers markets. The number when Dean got into office 20, when he left 42 (maybe 41 I'd have to look it up). Either ways he more than doubled the number of farmers markets. he also made it legal to label dairy/produce products if you where a small farmer not using hormones and dangerous pesticides. This greatly help the small farmers in his state b/c it allowed them to charge more for their products.

Dean has done plenty of smart things that actually helped the people in his state.

[AP]

9. Nope. In case you didn't notice, they unemployed a lot of people in...

...Houston.

Without Enron, good, competitve companies contributing to the tax base and creating good jobs would have built up in their place.

When the government favors companies whose greatest strength is that they know how to buy legislation, and how perform services which are bad for the economy (like, uhm, privatized utilities and the insurance industry) it does damage to companies which want to compete fairly on a level playing field.

And what about shifting the tax burden in VT so that super rich out of staters benefit and VT'ers suffer? What about that?

[Feanorcurufinwe]

5. I guess you haven't heard of Lucien Breton.

http://www.vtce.org/deancrisisagvt.html

[sangh0]

10. "the people of his state"????

What about the people in Nevada? Dean seems to care about the Iraqis, so why doesn't he care about Nevadans?

[Egnever]

12. Care to elaborate?

[ulysses]

15. sangh0 is talking about Yucca Mountain in NV, which is being

turned into a nuclear waste depository. Dean was in favor, as governor, of the project. While I agree that it's a bad idea, no one who likes to saddle Dean with this has made any suggestions about what we *are* supposed to do with nuclear waste, and had he rejected the idea and kept the waste that was in Vermont where it was, they'd be talking about what a horrible governor he was because he couldn't make the tough decisions to care for his state.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

18. Keeping it at the plants which are under security anyway

is the best solution until a better one is found.
See, that wasn't so hard.

[corporatewhore]

19. So inorder to save face he shoveled nuclear waste to the nevadans whoo hoo

for dean

[sangh0]

21. Not true, uly, You should be more careful with sweeping statements

like "no one who likes to saddle Dean with this has made any suggestions about what we *are* supposed to do with nuclear waste"

I have said, several times, what we should do with nuclear waste:

MAKE THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE THE WASTE, DISPOSE OF THE WASTE!!!

Why should I be responsible for disposing of waste when THEY made the profits from creating the waste? I say, let the nuclear power corporations figure out how to dispose of the waste safely cost-effectively, and until then, we should close them all down.

Any politician that helps the nuclear power industry avoid their responsibilities is betraying the people s/he represents.

[ulysses]

23. well, I guess I should be reading you more often!

I hadn't pegged you as such an environmentalist, sangh0 - my deepest apologies. Please let me know of your success in holding *all* Democratic politicians to the same (purist? who knew?) standard. I must have missed your denunciation of John Edwards regarding his vote to open Yucca in 2002.

[sangha]

26. Good advice

You might learn something.

And, I disagree with Edwards on that vote, but my preferred candidate, Kerry, voted "No" even though there is nuclear waste in his state also.

[UGABrother]

24. Yucca is the best solution we've got right now

I took a guided tour of Yucca mountain a few summers ago, and while no encapsulation system is 100% perfect, this is about as close as we can get--in the middle of a mountain, with layers of radiation blocking insulation.

I agree with you that the industry should be forced to foot the bil, but I haven't researched how the funding is actually being worked right now.

[sangh0]

27. Yucca is the WORSTsolution

Disposing of nuclear waste is the industry's biggest headache. Yucca Mtn gives them an excuse to keep producing nuclear waste and have taxpayers foot the bill.

[progressivebydesign]

13. Being a governor involves working to keep and create jobs.

You're totally correct. It's rather naive for people to think that a governor is going to keep people employed by refusing to work with those that employ them. Your post was good. Just ignore the roving band of posters that are jumping from thread to thread today bashing Dean for everything. Dean's success with social issues (i.e. child abuse, domestic abuse) is part of an emphasis on job creation. Those problems skyrocket when the economy and jobs disappear. I tend to like governors as presidential candidates because they have managed a microcosm of the America's domestic agenda.

[AP]

16. Then helping Enron is the last thing you want to do.

[corporatewhore]

25. Thats a good pic of John Edwards hes is w/o a doubt the most attractive

cannidate

[onecitizen]

14. Everything he did was perfectly legal.......

and in fact, helped the economy tremendously. He gained revenues for the state thus helping social programs as well.

Gephardt tried to use this during the caucus. He was immediately shot down. Accused Dean of Enronomics. There is not one shred of evidence produced by anyone that indicates that Enron got any special favors from Vermont or Dean.

[sangh0]

22. Ken Lay uses the same exact excuse

.

[corporatewhore]

17. He screwed with the environment of his state

Business leaders were especially impressed with the way Dean went to bat for them if they got snarled in the state's stringent environmental regulations. When Canada's Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd. wanted to build a new manufacturing plant on 700 acres of Vermont farmland in the mid-'90s, for instance, Dean greased the wheels. Husky obtained the necessary permits in near-record time. "He was very hands-on," says an appreciative Dirk Schlimm, the Husky executive in charge of the project.


And when environmentalists tried to limit expansion of snowmaking at ski resorts, "Dean had to show his true colors, and he did -- by insisting on a solution that allowed expanding snowmaking," says Stenger. IBM (IBM ) by far the state's largest private employer, says it got kid-gloves treatment. "We would meet privately with him three to four times a year to discuss our issues," says John O'Kane, manager for government relations at IBM's Essex Junction plant, "and his secretary of commerce would call me once a week just to see how things were going."

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_32/b3845084.htm
I understand that some politicians have to be corporatists and as much as i have issues w/kerry i gotta give him props for his record on the environment

[flaminbats]

20. I Knew He was a moderate!!

:smoke: