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Tue Aug-02-05 05:09 PM
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The Paul Hackett phenomenon has changed the face of the Democratic Party. |
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Edited on Tue Aug-02-05 05:09 PM by trumad
The DNC is dead.
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Tue Aug-02-05 05:09 PM
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Tue Aug-02-05 05:11 PM
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2. eh? the DNC backed him |
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Tue Aug-02-05 05:11 PM
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3. Did you mean "DLC"? If so, I agree completely |
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The greatest thing about a Hackett victory will be to convince the DLC-ers once and for all that running as an anti-war, anti-*, full-fledged, old-school Democrat WORKS!
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Tue Aug-02-05 05:41 PM
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and am sure you are. If Kerry hadn't been so ambiguous, maybe he'd have won. I'm very impressed with Hackett.
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Tue Aug-02-05 05:11 PM
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Tue Aug-02-05 05:13 PM
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It's beginning to look like there are different types of Dems for different districts. Remember, no Dem has received more than 35% of the vote in Ohio's 2nd since 1980. If a liberal/progressive Dem were running in that distrcit we still wouldn't get over 35%.
Likewise we have a moderate/conservative dem running against Sensenbrenner in Wisconsin...he actually stands a chance of winning.
In other parts of Wisconsin and Minnesota, a more liberal can win.
In the long run as long as they adhere to BASIC Democaratic Party principles, it's a plus....
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Tue Aug-02-05 05:13 PM
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6. ??? If you meant the DLC, I would tend to agree. |
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Can you give the blonde a bit of help with this cryptic post?
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Tue Aug-02-05 05:18 PM
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I hate a hit-and-run post. :-)
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Tue Aug-02-05 05:17 PM
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7. A 'supposition' isn't just a reverse 'suppository'. |
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Tue Aug-02-05 05:17 PM
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8. I am hoping you mean DLC not DNC |
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Tue Aug-02-05 05:19 PM
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10. Paul Hackett stated on Randi Rhodes show, it was grass root DNC who |
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got his campaign going and where it's at today... You're WRONG about DNC.
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Tue Aug-02-05 05:23 PM
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And they raised $30,000 YESTERDAY alone. Amazing work there.
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Tue Aug-02-05 05:32 PM
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17. I want to know, where the hell is DLC when Paul Heckett needed their |
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help? Oh yea, I forgot, they're all too busy helping corporate. :mad:
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Tue Aug-02-05 05:21 PM
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11. You post this crap and don't answer people's question? |
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Tue Aug-02-05 05:25 PM
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tru likes to make a big point of a mistake someone made on DU some years ago between the DNC and DLC. I suppose he thinks it's a common mistake.
:shrug:
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Tue Aug-02-05 05:29 PM
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16. Lets assume he meant the DLC, That would make sense. |
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Tue Aug-02-05 05:27 PM
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14. DNC is Rocky, and DLC is Bullwinkle |
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"Hey, Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat." "Bullwinkle, that trick never works." "This time for sure!". ...
Hope that helps....
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Tue Aug-02-05 05:27 PM
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15. Dear God, trumad, you know the difference between DNC and DLC |
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Come on and fix your post.
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Tue Aug-02-05 05:46 PM
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19. Knowing Trumad's posting history, I think it's safe to assume he meant DLC |
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The "N" and "L" keys are almost nextdoor neighbors...
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Tue Aug-02-05 05:48 PM
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Tue Aug-02-05 05:49 PM
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21. Hackett and Dean are just straight talkers. |
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Tue Aug-02-05 05:51 PM
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22. Did you mean the DLC or the DNC? |
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Tue Aug-02-05 08:04 PM
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29. Love your screen name, CordellHull |
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Welcome to DU.
DLC is the answer.
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Tue Aug-02-05 05:53 PM
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Edited on Tue Aug-02-05 05:53 PM by idlisambar
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Tue Aug-02-05 07:05 PM
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24. Sorry...My bad... I menat DLC. |
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Tue Aug-02-05 07:47 PM
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25. You little minx, you... nt |
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Tue Aug-02-05 07:56 PM
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26. I was worried for a second! lol |
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And yes, if Hackett wins or just does well, then it will be a huge blow to the DLC
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Tue Aug-02-05 08:02 PM
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28. FYI I get acronymed (sp?) out too sometimes. |
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IIRC I've misspoke when saying DLC DNC SPUSA CPUSA SDA ISP and other such shortenings of groups and things:-)
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Tue Aug-02-05 08:26 PM
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31. You have committed a grave sin, my son. |
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Five Dean Screams for you and no dinner.
:evilgrin:
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Wed Aug-03-05 06:47 AM
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42. You had some fun there for a while though didn't you? |
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Edited on Wed Aug-03-05 06:47 AM by mtnester
:P
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Tue Aug-02-05 07:59 PM
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27. It pays to call Bush a chicken hawk! |
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This might make Wes Clark look more like a winning way to go!
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Tue Aug-02-05 08:20 PM
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30. Methinks you mean DLC is dead. DNC is now run by Howard Dean. . . |
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Edited on Tue Aug-02-05 08:23 PM by DinahMoeHum
and the DFA is now advised by his brother, Jim.
and trust me, DNC and DFA (along with PDA and the Wellstone camp graduates) are gonna kick ass and take names for the next few years!!!
:kick::kick:
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Tue Aug-02-05 11:54 PM
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32. The People . . . United . . . Will Never Be Defeated! . . . n/t |
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Wed Aug-03-05 12:27 AM
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33. The single most important election in the history of mankind has ended |
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As long as we're engaging in irrational hyperbole . . .
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Wed Aug-03-05 12:34 AM
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I don't think it's dead. Remember, this was just one race in a special election. 2006 and 2008 are fast approaching. I can only hope the Democratic Party can turn the corner. I do have that hope. However, that being said, there is a hell of a lot of work to do to achieve it and a long search for some spines in the leadership's backs! At least Howard Dean has a spine.
John
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Wed Aug-03-05 01:30 AM
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35. Hackett is described as a LIBERTARIAN democrat by |
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Wed Aug-03-05 02:21 AM
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36. Thats what I thought. |
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The post thats on the front page is trying to pass this off as proof that all you have to do to win is to be "true to your liberal beliefs". Thats the spin.
The fact is this guy was an excellent candidate (looks, family, war hero,...) and really is sort of in the DLC mold in that he's for gun rights and against big government in general. And he's not for just cutting and running in Iraq. He seems moderate, not "liberal".
The lesson is the exact opposite that people are trying to suggest on this thread.
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Wed Aug-03-05 03:09 AM
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37. That's not the point. The point is that he ran on an anti-war |
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anti-Bush platform and got a whole lot further than people imagined.
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Wed Aug-03-05 05:37 AM
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38. anti-war, but not pro immediate withdrawal. |
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He wants to have a stable situation in order to leave. How many people (including Dean) have been spewed at for that on DU.
I am happy to see that some people are coming back to a more reasonnable position.
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Wed Aug-03-05 06:23 AM
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39. I believe that you're misrepresenting... |
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Edited on Wed Aug-03-05 06:24 AM by Q
...the position of those who want to 'leave Iraq'. It has never been suggested that an 'unstable' situation should be left in Iraq. You're leaving the impression that a withdrawal would be worse than what's going on there right now.
It should be obvious to all observers that the instability in Iraq was CAUSED by the invasion and occupation. It would be easy to conclude that removing the cause of the instability would lead to a more stable Iraq.
In no way is it a 'moderate' position to stay in Iraq despite all the facts showing that it was and is an illegal, aggressive war. This would be an EXTREME RWing position. Withdrawing from Iraq under a peacekeeping plan would be a moderate to left position.
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Wed Aug-03-05 06:37 AM
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40. This isn't horseshoes ... |
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Close doesn't count ... The D's, one way or another have to WIN a fight soon ... Not block Bolton until he got a term apppointment, not lose CAFTY by two votes, not get close in Ohio ...
You had an IRAQ VET, who came CLOSE, on an anti-war capaign ... Any non vet D is going to face the whole non-support troops/traitor thing ...
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Wed Aug-03-05 06:44 AM
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41. I was just pointing that Hacket disagrees with your position. |
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Edited on Wed Aug-03-05 06:47 AM by Mass
Nothing more.
I am not representing anything concerning your position (I do not even agree with him, but am closer to your position. I'm just happy that people could support for a moment somebody who is not 100 % for what they think - This is so refreshing here).
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Wed Aug-03-05 06:48 AM
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43. Seems like a stand-up guy |
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But he is a militarist, so he still operates within that framework.
The war was wrong but I'm gonna go do my heroic duty and just follow orders.
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Wed Aug-03-05 06:58 AM
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44. The close call (or win) here also sends the GOP a message... |
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It says, "You can't take any district for granted."
It means they now have to spread money around in places they have never needed to before.
If nothing else, this will cause a sort of "virtual attrition" for the GOP.
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