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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 05:32 PM
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GOP/DEM DIPLOMATS HEAVYWEIGHTS UNITE AGAINST BUSH! MAJOR STORY!@!!!
Edited on Tue Aug-02-05 05:34 PM by Gloria
Just posted to the new World Media Watch at http://www.zianet.com/insightanalytical
Tomorrow at Buzzflash.com

Press Conference Tomorrow@



http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/GH03Aa01.html

Aug 3, 2005


Reviving the 'the radical center'
By Jim Lobe

WASHINGTON - As US President George W Bush announced the unprecedented recess appointment of ultra-nationalist John Bolton as his next ambassador to the United Nations, a group of diplomatic heavyweights was preparing to launch a bipartisan coalition to promote a return to a more moderate and multilateral foreign policy.

While the group, which calls itself the Partnership for a Secure America, was not explicitly set up to act to oppose the more radical initiatives of the Bush administration, the chief organizers - both Republicans and Democrats - have sometimes been harshly critical of specific Bush policies, especially the decision to go to war in Iraq and innovative policy initiatives such as the promotion of preemptive war against "rogue states".

The group includes top officials who served in the administrations of presidents Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter, such as the two presidents' most durable national security advisers - Samuel Berger and Zbigniew Brzezinski, respectively - as well as former secretary of state Warren Christopher; Clinton's first national security adviser, Anthony Lake; former defense secretary William Perry, and former UN ambassador Richard Holbrooke.

But it also includes leading Republican moderates, some of whom have even served under Bush. They include former senator Howard Baker, who served until last year as Bush's ambassador to Japan, and, even more significantly, his most recent UN ambassador, former senator John Danforth, who, since his resignation, has been uncharacteristically outspoken about his concerns that the Republican Party has increasingly come under the sway of the Christian Right.

Lawrence Eagleburger, a protege of Henry Kissinger and the number two in the State Department under George H W Bush who also served briefly as acting secretary of state in 1992, as well as one of Ronald Reagan's national security advisers, retired General Robert "Bud" MacFarlane, have also signed up.

Other leading Republicans include former trade representative Carla Hills, former senator Nancy Kassebaum Baker, former New Jersey governor and co-chair of the 9-11 Commission Thomas Kean, and the former deputy secretary of state under Reagan, John Whitehead. Former UN ambassador Thomas Pickering, who served under Bush Sr but, like Eagleburger was a career foreign service officer, has also joined.

The new group will formally launch itself Wednesday at a news conference in Washington conducted by two well-known and respected former lawmakers, Lee Hamilton, a top foreign-policy Democrat during his many years in the House of Representatives, who also co-chaired the 9-11 Commission and currently serves as head of the influential Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars, and Warren Rudman, a prominent Republican moderate and former senator who has served on several bipartisan commission over the past two decades.

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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 05:36 PM
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1. Excellent news, I hope it will calm some...
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 05:36 PM
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2. This a momentous development
The "Good Republicans" are finally stepping up and trying to restore some sanity to their party.
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ktowntennesseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 05:39 PM
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5. We could use more Howard Bakers right now.
It seems that Republicans who put principle ahead of party or personal gain are few and far between. Thank you, Howard.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 06:01 PM
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13. The same Howard Baker that wanted the vote counting stopped in Florida?
I don't know what his game is but he is scum.
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Estel Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 06:10 PM
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18. I think you are thinking about
James Baker
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 06:12 PM
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20. That was James Baker, not Howard.
Edited on Tue Aug-02-05 06:15 PM by Pirate Smile
James Baker - who Shrub called into the Florida recount.



Howard Baker
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oldtime dfl_er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 05:53 PM
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11. Let's hope it's not too little too late
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 05:38 PM
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3. Some real movers and shakers in the ranks.
Definitely worth watching.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 05:38 PM
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4. It's about time that people of reason join together
and take control from the extreme right-wingers that are running our country into the ground. I, for one, welcome this development.
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 05:40 PM
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6. Yes, but WaPo thinks it was the right move -- isn't that more
important?!! Their editorial today REALLY pissed me off.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 05:41 PM
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7. Good. Thanks
for posting, G.

I really hope the tide is turning.....and washes out Bush and his cronies.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 05:47 PM
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8. THIS is unprecedented!
Edited on Tue Aug-02-05 05:47 PM by wyldwolf
Although I believe the secondary headline should read, "Reviving the Vital Center"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vital_Center
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 05:50 PM
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9. I'm thrilled to see Danforth signing on...
...that will have a huge impact here in Missouri, where Danforth is still highly regarded...
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CordellHull Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 05:50 PM
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10. The last thing the UN needs
is an ultra-nationalist like Bolton.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 05:58 PM
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12. He's hardly an ultra-Nationalist. An ultra-bushist, yes.
Bolton no more has the interests of the USA at heart than does Chimpy.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 06:02 PM
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14. Welcome onboard!
Yeah, Bolton is DOA. Whether Bush realizes it or not, he's positioned the US to be irrelevant in the word community. Bolton can be the arrogant asshole that he is, but really, does anyone think that the US will be a leader on the world stage as long as Bush rtemains in office?

He's outdone himself this time. I think most sensible Americans (about anyone who doesn't post at FreeRepublic or Lucianne) have had it with the boy-king's act.

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 07:00 PM
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26. It's all part of the PNAC plan
That the USA is the country that can tell others what to do but others can't tell us what to do. It's all in the PNAC plans. And they will use military force instead of peace talks.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 06:05 PM
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16. Welcome to DU
:hi:
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 06:55 PM
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23. Dupe
Edited on Tue Aug-02-05 06:55 PM by Old and In the Way


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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 06:03 PM
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15. so, the adults in the GOP have spoken up? sorry folks, its 4 years late
not a word out of their mouths as bush trashed the constitution for 4 years and now we are to believe that they stand for principles?

the only thing this shows is that they are no longer scared of the busheviks.

their remarks now stand in stark relief to their earlier deafening silence and acquiescence to the demise of the republic.

where were they when their present democratic allies in this matter warned what was happening 4 years ago with the bushevik regime?
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 06:58 PM
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25. Where's Poppy?
Edited on Tue Aug-02-05 06:59 PM by Old and In the Way
Guess family is a higher priority than the interests of the US.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 07:34 PM
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28. I'll take whatever I can get from this crowd....
Nixon didn't go down until HIS republicans were
A) fed up,
and
B) not scared anymore..

You KNOW we need the help of the majority party in this task...
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 06:06 PM
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17. Well, I hope it does some good....
as I get more cynical by the minute!
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 11:27 AM
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35. I am glad the pukes are breaking ranks.
It tells us that they are becoming aware that they are about to lose the Congress, and are trying to dissociate their images from the Bushitler regime. It also will help in the impeachment proceedings.

Love the photo and caption!
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randr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 06:12 PM
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19. Wonderful news!
In my perfect world people who have served our country in many capacities would be invited and feel obligated to share their combined knowledge and experience in just this sort of organization.
We would replace partisan "Think Tanks", that merely push for favored legislation, with intelligent councils whose interests lie with the security and interest of all Americans.
Now IS the time for all good men and women to come to the aid of their country.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 06:17 PM
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21. Good news indeed!!! n/t
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 06:17 PM
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22. Thank you, Gloria! This seems like a great move.
These bigwigs must be really concerned and will hopefully give the blivet and co. a deserved black eye for letting things spiral out of control. Next I hope this gets LOTS of attention!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 06:58 PM
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24. Very good!!
I'm happy about this. Be more vocal! A little late of course but hey why not now? Bush is going down obviously.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 07:29 PM
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27. Good GAWD! Same old Partisan Hacks. Where were they when the Election
was Stolen in Florida in 2000? Where were they after 9/11 when the PNAC/Neo-Cons assumed athority over America and OUR Foreign Policy? Where were they when the FALSE Intelligence over Saddam's WMD's was being reported but they Invaded Iraq Anyway and sent 2000 soldiers (Coalition and US) to their death, not counting the thousands who have been maimed for life and may die later because of exposure to DU and illnesses they were exposed to in the Desert.

I cannot applaud this. These old hacks want to rule the world and Just NOW they come forward. They were waiting to see if Bushies would be successful in Iraq before coming out. They sat like Vultures waiting to see if the Chimp and his buddies would get in trouble before they swooped in to check out the carcass for the upcoming meal.

I can't get happy over this. It makes me :puke: Because so many have suffered because they NEVER SPOKE OUT TO STOP IT! NOW they want the CREDIT? :nuke:

(thanks for the post Gloria....I just have imploded ...nothing to do with your posting it.) :hi:
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Son of California Donating Member (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 07:50 PM
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29. you see, not are Repubs are Robots!
Its true, it really is. They are sometimes just people who see things a little different from us, but can agree with us when the facts of an issue are plain enough to be agreed upon.
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Raiden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 07:52 PM
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30. Bwahahaha!! Bolton is backfiring on him!
:popcorn:
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emcguffie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:29 PM
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31. Obviously I don't know how to post convincingly.
Edited on Tue Aug-02-05 08:31 PM by emcguffie
I posted this at 10 a.m. Not a single response. What do I do wrong? Do you have to use capitals and exclamation marks? Just curious.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1976492&mesg_id=1976492

Edited on Tue Aug-02-05 10:30 AM by emcguffie

This is from InterPress Service Terra Viva, in its entirety, with permission from IPS. (no link)

Reviving the Radical Centre in the US
By Jim Lobe

President George W. Bush announced the unprecedented recess appointment of ultra-nationalist John Bolton as his next ambassador to the United Nations, a group of diplomatic heavyweights was preparing to launch a bipartisan coalition to promote a return to a more moderate and multilateral foreign policy. While the group, which calls itself the 'Partnership for a Secure America', was not explicitly set up to act to oppose the more radical initiatives of the Bush administration, the chief organisers -- both Republicans and Democrats -- have sometimes been harshly critical of specific Bush policies, especially the Reviving the Radical Centre in the U.S. decision to go to war in Iraq, and innovative policy initiatives, such as the promotion of pre-emptive war against rogue states.

The group includes top officials who served in the administration of Presidents Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter, such as the two presidents' most durable national security advisers -- Samuel Berger and Zbigniew Brzezinski, respectively -- as well as former Secretary of State Warren Christopher; Clinton's first national security adviser, Anthony Lake; former Defence Secretary William Perry, and former U.N. ambassador Richard Holbrooke.

But it also includes leading Republican moderates, some of whom have even served under Bush himself. They include former Senator Howard Baker who served until last year as Bush's ambassador to Japan, and, even more significantly his most recent U.N. ambassador, former Sen. John Danforth, who, since his resignation, has been uncharacteristically outspoken about his concerns that the Republican Party has increasingly come under the sway of the Christian Right.

Lawrence Eagleburger, a protege of Henry Kissinger and the number two in the State Department under George H.W. Bush, who also served briefly as acting secretary of state in 1992, as well as one of Ronald Reagan's national security advisers, ret. Gen. Robert Bud MacFarlane, have also signed up. Other leading Republicans include former Trade Representative Carla Hills, former Sen. Nancy Kassebaum Baker, former New Jersey Governor and co-chair of the 9/11 Commission Thomas Kean, and the former deputy secretary of state under Ronald Reagan, John Whitehead. Former U.N. Ambassador Thomas Pickering, who served under Bush Sr. but, like Eagleburger was a career foreign service officer, has also joined.

The new group will formally launch itself Wednesday at a press conference in Washington conducted by two well-known and respected former lawmakers, Lee Hamilton, a top foreignpolicy Democrat during his many years in the House of Representatives who also co-chaired the 9/11 Commission and currently serves as head of the influential Woodrow Wilson International Centre for Scholars, and Warren Rudman, a prominent Republican moderate and former senator who has served on several bipartisan commission over the past two decades.

'The Partnership for a Secure America' (PSA) is dedicated to recreating the bipartisan centre in American national security and foreign policy, according to the group's mission statement. Although partisan rancor has traditionally stopped 'at the water's edge,' this tradition of bipartisan cooperation has eroded significantly in recent years in negative and harmful ways, it said, noting that its goals include ''heighten(ing) public awareness of and support for a bipartisan national security and foreign policy, and bring(ing) leading Democrats and Republicans together to seek common ground in national security and foreign policy''.

While such statements do not appear on their face to be directed against the Bush administration, the group's organisers and the context in which it was put together belie that impression. On its website, for example, the new group, which will be run day-to-day by former Congressional staffers from both parties, cites a series of public opinion polls that show strong support by both Republicans and Democrats for policies that have been anathema to the administration, including strengthening the U.N. and other multilateral organisations, a nuclear test-ban treaty, the Kyoto Protocol to curb greenhouse emissions, a more even-handed approach in the Arab-Israeli conflict, and even engaging Iran.

Moreover, in addition to their individually voiced concerns about the administration's unilateralism, global ambitions, and its alienation of traditional U.S. allies, many charter PSA members have expressed -- albeit privately in the case of some of the Republicans -- great unease about Bolton's appointment.

Bolton's reputation for exaggerating foreign threats, scorn for multilateralism, intimidation of his subordinates, contempt for regional and local expertise, and personal rudeness has made him a symbol of the most extreme tendencies of the administration's hardliners led by Vice Pres. Dick Cheney.

By resorting to a procedural loophole that gives presidents the power to make recess appointments whenever Congress is on holiday to get Bolton to New York, Bush is seen by many not only as circumventing normal constitutional requirements that give the Senate the power to advise and consent to ambassadorial posts, but also as delivering a gratuitous slap at the spirit of bipartisanship that has long been seen as essential to the successful conduct of U.S. foreign policy.

Indeed, much of the impetus for the PSA's creation was derived from Bolton's appointment, according to organisers who have spoken with IPS. They hope that the broad-based opposition to the nominee could help lay the groundwork for a more strategic alliance of moderates in both parties -- sometimes called the radical centre -- to move U.S. foreign policy back to a more traditional and bipartisan course. Whether such an ambitious goal can succeed remains very uncertain.

While the PSA's charter membership is indeed impressive, some very important players known to be sympathetic to the cause have not yet signed on, at least publicly.

These include George H. W. Bush's former secretary of state, James Baker, and national security adviser, Brent Scowcroft -- the deans of Republican realism -- who may feel that joining such a potentially high-profile group risks the loss of whatever moderating influence they retain in the administration, particularly with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Deputy Secretary of State Robert Zoellick. Similarly, Bush's first-term Secretary of State, Colin Powell, another realist who has made little secret of his disdain for Bolton, has remained aloof.

Another question, most recently raised by the editor of the Nixon Centre's National Interest journal, Nikolas Gvosdev, is whether the moderates in both parties that have agreed to form the PSA are really prepared to challenge their more- ideological party comrades at the risk of opening serious internal splits.''I don't see in either party, as of yet'', he wrote last week, ''a willingness to 'do battle' with members of their own side of the aisle for the sake of a new bipartisan consensus''.

Nonetheless, the fact of the group's creation marks a new stage in what so far has been a largely disjointed and ineffectual effort by independent elites, including foreign policy scholars and analysts, former diplomats, and high-ranking military officers, to rally opposition to the more-aggressive impulses of the current administration. The leadership of major political figures from both parties -- combined with declining confidence in Bush, particularly with respect to Iraq and his war on terrorism -- may provide those often-isolated elites with the political heft they have lacked to date.

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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 09:53 AM
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32. Thank you, Paul Hackett and the Filibuster Fourteen!
Edited on Wed Aug-03-05 10:02 AM by rocknation
Need any further proof that the real Republicans see the writing on the wall? They're ready to revolt against the fundie/corporatist GOP leadership because they realize that neither they nor their party have a "secure" future unless they assert themselves.

If it was the Bolton recess appointment that pushed them over the edge, then I'll have to thank Bush himself, too. And the idea of getting enough Republicans for an impeachment vote just got little less impossible.

:headbang:
rocknation
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 10:17 AM
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33. Lawrence Eagleburger. His remarks on idiot Bush. Remember this?
"If George Bush decided that he was going to turn the troops loose on Syria now, and Iran after that, he would last in office for about 15 minutes. You’re talking to somebody who frankly wishes we could knock Syria around a bit because I think they have been absolutely outrageous for years in terms of their support for terrorism. But, because I happen to believe that, doesn't mean it's going to happen. If President Bush were to try it now, even I would feel that he ought be impeached. You can’t get away with that sort of thing with this democracy. It’s ridiculous."

I'm not surprised to see his name on this list. Howard Baker???? Is that the same Howard Baker who helped steal the FL. 2000 election??? :sarcasm: What, he's having buyer's remorse? Damn fool.

Lee Hamilton and Thomas Kean have info from being on the 911 commission. They know what's going on. Hmmmmmm.....

http://www.compassiongate.com/voices_media/cc610.htm

This web site is AWESOME if you're looking for a particular quote from a pundit/talking head.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 10:48 AM
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34. Howard Baker is the man...
who first asked one of the most important questions ever in politics: "What did the President know and when did he know it"?

He is a fine Republican, and one of the folks who helped take out Nixon.

You are thinking about James Baker, Bush family scumbag.
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 12:23 PM
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37. Lee Hamilton won't win any prizes from me.
He is the token Democrat who appears on virtually every important whitewash, er, commission to lend the appearance of bipartisanship. Iran-Contra to 9-11.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 12:37 PM
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38. I agree about Hamilton...
eom
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 01:13 PM
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39. Thank you. You are correct!
Thanks so much for correcting me. JAMES BAKER...Mr. Carlyle, Attorney for Saudi Arabia, 2000 election thief! YES! Thanks! :hi:
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 11:49 AM
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36. the bushgang will just ignore them publicly and BBBT&M them behind

the scenes.

(bully, bribe, blackmail, threaten or murder)


getting the world rid of the criminal bushgang will take more then words.
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