Sounds like Dean might have a prayer meeting with the CAFTA 14.

[madfloridian]

I just saw this in the AJC about the convention of the National Association of Black Journalists in Atlanta today.
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/0805/05conven.html

SNIP..."Dean said Georgia's new voter ID law was proof the GOP has not turned over a new leaf in race relations.

"We have a new Southern strategy and a new Jim Crow" in the form of voter ID laws like those passed in Georgia and Indiana, the former Vermont governor and Democratic presidential candidate said.

Dean said there was "some truth" to complaints the Democrats have ignored black voters, but vowed that will end. And he refused to apologize for his comments about Republicans, saying the party "has got to show our folks that we're going to fight back."

Dean said the Democrats also must become more cohesive, and criticized the 14 Democratic House members who voted last week for the CAFTA trade agreement.

"We're going to have some private, very tough discussions with them, and some of them are probably going to be replaced by Democrats," he said, drawing a laugh from the audience.

Dean said the GOP has targeted gays and blacks in recent elections and predicted Republicans will focus on immigrants in next year's elections.

"Their strategy is to pick a group of people, single them out, then scare the majority into voting Republican," Dean said."

[finecraft]

1. Maybe Dean was the one who tipped off the FBI on William Jefferson

No wait...there were probably people standing in line to do that! Jefferson needs to go, and anything that Dean can do to speed up his departure would be most appreciated!

[Pirate Smile]

10. OMG. Your sig line is hilarious.

[finecraft]

66. Thanks! n/t

[Nikki Stone 1]

2. "some private, very tough discussions with them"

For real?

[Tux]

3. With luck

We can say bye to DLC?

[Rose Siding]

4. "...going to be replaced by Democrats"

Straight on.

[LittleClarkie]

5. Indeed

recommended

[madfloridian]

17. And I imagine Howard should duck and cover tomorrow....

when some of the Democrats hear about this. But I don't imagine he minds that. He is sort of used to it anyway.

[Rose Siding]

20. They'd have to go through Pelosi to do it

From Roll Call...

Pelosi Calls Steering Meeting to Review Defectors' Votes for CAFTA
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House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), angry that some of her own betrayed the party on a key trade vote, called a last-minute, Members-only meeting tonight to review the early-morning balloting and the reasoning behind defectors' votes.

Pelosi called for the special session of the Democratic Steering and Policy Committee at a private whip meeting this morning, during which she said she "had a sleepless night" over the Central American Free Trade Agreement vote that narrowly passed early in the morning. Sources in the room said Pelosi was furious at the outcome and the votes of some of the 15 Democrats -- notably some in safe districts -- who joined the Republicans to pass the bill.

"I've never seen her like that," described one Democratic aide ...
....
"I think this has to stop, we have to stop this Republican rip off," Pelosi said. ...

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/7/28/17323/9106

[FreedomAngel82]

34. I think that's the only thing to do now

Is get rid of anybody who isn't a true democrat.

[don954]

6. sooner or later, Deans gona have to say it,

DLCers are not members of the Democratic Party. I think this is why he is going with the Democracy Bonds idea.

http://www.democrats.org/democracybonds.html

[Talismom]

7. Oh boy! I really enjoyed this post! Dean is really the bomb!

I have somewhat more liberal politics than him, but his courage and honesty are truely a breath of fresh air these days! Rock on Howard! We're with you all the way man!
:yourock:

[Mabus]

8. Tell Dean to hit Dennis Moore (KS-3rd) upside the head

and remind him that he is a member of the Democratic Party and should be listening to us NOT those friggin' GOP'ers in Johnson County. Wyandotte and Douglas counties deserve representation too!

I swear to the Flying Spaghetti Monster I may not vote for Moore next time. Friggin' sell-out.

[atommom]

13. A lot of us here in JoCo would also like to hit him upside the head!

Give him hell, Howard! :yourock:

[Mabus]

27. I wish there were more like you in Johnson County

Kansas would be so much better.

:hi: :pals:

[atommom]

65. Aww, thanks. I'm finding more and more Dems around here...

and I'm hoping that in a couple of years, I won't have to look so hard to find them!

[idlisambar]

9. that's the right attitude

:thumbsup:

[Raiden]

11. Buh-Bayh you DLCers!!!

God, I love Dean!

[nwliberalkiwi]

12. Norm Dicks, WA.

We can start with getting rid of Norm Dicks. Dicks stood behind Bush
authorizing the Iraqie War and he voted for CAFTA along with both Senators from WA. It's damn hard trying to be a Democrat with this sort of crap in the party!!!!!!!!!

[windbreeze]

52. does it help IF

I wrote him an e mail and told him he was "FIRED"??? Cause I did...Just about the time, I think I have figured out, what a Democrat really is...the ones that carry the title, go and do something that ends up making me wonder what party I really should belong to? Dicks, Cantwell, and MURRAY, of all people voted FOR Cafta..??? what the hell is going on???
windbreeze

[eridani]

57. Well, who do we have in our farm team to go up against him?

That is the essential question. We need lots more people with local and state experience.

[bvar22]

14. replaced by Democrats

Some of those who voted FOR CAFTA will be:
replaced by Democrats replaced by Democrats replaced by Democrats replaced by Democrats replaced by Democrats replaced by Democrats replaced by Democrats replaced by Democrats replaced by Democrats replaced by Democrats replaced by Democrats replaced by Democrats replaced by Democrats replaced by Democrats replaced by Democrats replaced by Democrats replaced by Democrats replaced by Democrats replaced by Democrats replaced by Democrats replaced by Democrats replaced by Democrats replaced by Democrats replaced by Democrats replaced by Democrats replaced by Democrats replaced by Democrats replaced by Democrats
replaced by Democrats

:party:

[goodhue]

15. I hope he talks them into retiring.

We can do better.

[hedda_foil]

21. Even if he doesn't, he can run real Dems against them in the primaries

Wouldn't that be the bomb? Real Dems backed by real Dems dollars run by the real Dem head of the DNC!

[glitch]

72. Hear hear! nt

[napi21]

16. I'm so glad Dean is Chair of the DNC! He's the only Dem who's not

afraid to speak the truth! I sure hope he can get that attitude to rub off on the rest of them!

I think it's looking good since Hackett came so close to winning in RED Cinci!

We're with you Howard!

[noamnety]

18. I may have to send him some money tomorrow

He's doing a great job.

[ananda]

19. Wow, Dean said..

.. some of them (the 14 "Dems" that voted for CAFTA) are probably going to be replaced by Democrats..

Woohoo! You go guy!

Sue

[Rainscents]

22. Go Dean Go!!!

Boy, I love this guy!!! He rock! I'm glad, I just donated to DNC the other day! :yourock: :yourock: :yourock:

[WildEyedLiberal]

23. So Dean is anti-free trade now?

Interesting.

[madfloridian]

24. He is pro fair trade. Do we have to do this?

He was for NAFTA for a while early on, supported Clinton on it. He changed his mind when he traved into the heartland and saw what it was doing.

Could we not do that tonight?

CAFTA is not good for us.

[WildEyedLiberal]

28. Of course CAFTA is bad

So is NAFTA. Lets not pretend Dean is a populist, though, 'kay? Why didn't he "talk tough" with these iffy Dems who voted yes BEFORE the vote if he was so serious about preventing its passing? Maybe they would've voted the same, but I'm sorry, this is just more tough rhetoric from him - meanwhile, CAFTA is still law.

[madfloridian]

30. Don't do this.

This just burms me up. How the heck do you know that he did NOT talk to them? You don't have a clue. Please don't turn this into a Dean bashing thread. He may be a populist, he may be anything, mostly he is a pragmatist....so I am so I like that.

He lives on that cell phone, and you don't know whether he called them or not.

This just burns me up.

[WildEyedLiberal]

36. He's made it a public issue now

Calling them on the phone isn't public. Choosing to ream them publicly after the fact is. Big difference. I don't think it's unfair to wonder where the vocal opposition to CAFTA *before* it was passed was. I just don't get the logic that says he shouldn't speak out publicly against CAFTA until after it was passed. If he gave a speech or exhorted Dems to vote against it before it was passed, please link to me and I will apologize.

[madfloridian]

37. No.

Just plain no. You always do this. You turn threads into hate-filled things.

Dean is doing a good job as chair. I don't have to link you to anything. But if you think you really know all the calls he is making, then you need to think again.

No, I don't have to prove anything to you at all. I am not going to respond anymore to the angry rhetoric.

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[madfloridian]

41. No, This is not about you and what you think.

You always say that is "your typical response.". I respond to sensible posts sensibly.

You took a nice thread and made it ugly. I will not respond.

And you know that "can't stand criticism of Dean" crap. Well, my friend, that is old hat and does not work anymore.

It is just a bunch of baloney. If this makes you feel better, continue by yourself.

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[madfloridian]

48. And where I stop, no one knows. Thanks for kicking the thread.

Much appreciated. :hi:

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[ProudToBeLiberal]

32. Do you have proof that Dean didn't talk to them before?

Come on man back up your accusations with evidence. Your blatant accusations are uncalled for. I think you should apologize to the board. The "whispering campaign" that you are joining against Dean is a very dangerous thing against the Democratic Party, but most of all to the U.S.A.

[WildEyedLiberal]

35. Oh please

Can't handle a little criticism? Maybe he did call them. Obviously, I have no clue. If he did, good for him. If he did talk to them I doubt I would know about it. My point is, it does no good for him to make a *public* issue that he is pissed with them now, when he didn't make it a *public* issue before. If he came out *publicly* BEFORE CAFTA and said that heads would roll if any Dems voted for it, please link it to me and I will apologize. But until then, I will continue to believe that *public* criticism after the fact is just show.

[madfloridian]

38. Oh, hell, we handle lots of criticism.

We are playing to win the party back from the right. You can keep on doing this, but it makes you look bad.

[WildEyedLiberal]

40. I object to this idea that Dean is above criticism

And that any non-adulatory words spoken about him are the equivalent of the fifth column. Sorry - I am not impressed by his threats to the CAFTA 14 after the fact. If that makes me impure in your eyes, so be it, I'm sure I'll live.

[madfloridian]

42. I object to your saying it. You have spoiled a nice thread.

I don't care if you criticize, it is just that you do it for pleasure and to irritate. We are fighting too hard now to let that bother us. Bring it on, my friend.

[WildEyedLiberal]

46. First you weren't going to talk to me, now it's "bring it on"?

I'm confused.

And yes, you care very much that I criticize. You can ascribe whatever pretend motives to it that you want - I don't think Dean walks on water, and if he does something that rubs me the wrong way, I think I can speak up. I am pissed at the CAFTA 14 as much as anyone, but I save my praise for people who fought to oppose CAFTA *before* it was passed, so excuse my skepticism at yet another Dean lovefest. Again, if you can show me where Dean stridently opposed CAFTA beforehand, I will apologize for being skeptical of his motives. I just resent that all he has to do is make a few "tough" comments and people think he's a prophet. It takes more than tough talk to get things done in this business.

[madfloridian]

47. Thanks for keeping this kicked. I appreciate it.

:hi:

[WildEyedLiberal]

49. No problem!

I'm going to bed now. Have a great night! :hi:

[tavalon]

62. Oh, come on

Just put him/her on ignore.

[madfloridian]

43. Oh, and thanks for keeping this important thread kicked.

Much appreciated.

[rman]

54. well then: Dean is anti-bad trade agreements

what's the problem with that?

[Andromeda]

56. Can't stand anybody saying something good...

about Dean can you? Why don't you just start your own Dean bashing thread then?

Wait a minute...

[tavalon]

61. Dean wasn't a populist before

but he is now. Didn't you get the memo? :evilgrin:

[CTLawGuy]

64. while we're playing "party pooper"

when's the guy in your sig line going to apologize for voting for IWR?

[Rose Siding]

25. That's an interesting interpretation

:)

[madfloridian]

26. It sure is.

:)

[ProudToBeLiberal]

33. Perhaps you should do your research?

before you come to a baseless conclusion.

We ought to change NAFTA-globalization only halfway done. (Jan 2004)
Enforceable & enforced labor and environmental standards. (Jan 2004)
We've globalized corporations; now globalize worker rights. (Jan 2004)
Globalization is here to stay, but the rules can be changed. (Nov 2003)
I support NAFTA & WTO-but they need revision. (Sep 2003)
Support NAFTA & WTO with level labor standards. (Sep 2003)
Free trade based on labor and environmental standards. (Sep 2003)
Trade tariffs to enforce labor & enviro standards. (Mar 2003)
Free trade is in our long-term national security interest. (Mar 2003)
WTO should care about human rights. (Feb 2003)
Free trade must equal fair trade. (Nov 2002)

http://www.issues2000.org/Howard_Dean.htm

[rman]

53. give it up; we know it's a scam

we've been back and forth over it many times.

if you want to know what we found, and what the consensus on DU is, just browse/search these forums.

[Raiden]

59. Grrr!! SHAFTA policies have worked so well for the American worker

Right?!


I ain't got time for this!

[davidinalameda]

29. I have to admit

I like Dean more and more every day

[Hidden Stillness]

31. At Last, the Party has Leadership

With Pelosi angry about CAFTA and the vote in Congress, and now Dean angry about it, and both of them fianlly, finally, threatening consequences for this crap--but with intelligence about the way things work now that Republicans have corrupted the system--maybe this whole horrible era can end, the corporatists ("D"LC) get kicked out, and our whole Party can finally return to proposing legislation that has something to do with the American people.

[Patchuli]

45. Exactly! You've hit it exactly!

We do have some elected Dems with backbone!

And welcome to DU! :hi:

[Raiden]

67. This week I am proud to be a Democrat!!

go Howard!

[carnie_sf]

50. We hear from

the Democratic wing of the Democratic party

[Helga Scow Stern]

51. Do people really vote for as much fear and hate as they say?

"Their strategy is to pick a group of people, single them out, then scare the majority into voting Republican," Dean said."

Or is that condition exaggerated as a made-up excuse to cover up the cheating?

[Melodybe]

55. I love that man! Kicked and nominated!

[NYCGirl]

70. Instilling fear is a Republican strategy. Sadly, it seems to work. NT

[rucky]

73. They're using their entire arsenal. n/t

[unkachuck]

76. I think we should find out for ourselves....

....our strategy should be to pick a group of people, like rich corporate white people, single them out, then scare the majority into voting Democratic....

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[Raiden]

60. "pussified" --- Hahahaha

:rofl:

[ulysses]

63. heh. hehehehehehe.

:D :thumbsup:

Go, Howard!

[lojasmo]

68. Right on Dr. Dean

Howard Dean speaks for me.

Kick.

Nominated.

[Norquist Nemesis]

71. LOL! So long, Melissa Bean!

There was even a LTTE in the Sun-Times about her vote. The writer made the statement about Labor being very supportive of her in her campaign and helping her get elected. Then said something to the effect of, "Oh well, more money thrown away" (but the crack wit of how it was worded should have really stung Bean.

[safi0]

74. If Melissa Bean

Is replaced it will be a Republican. A Liberal cannot and will not get elected in that district

[ISUGRADIA]

75. Great, Dean's gonna get us down to below under 200 House Seats

in 2006 for the first time in 80 years with this kind of tactic.

[madfloridian]

77. Yeh, I know. He needs to be "careful what he says."

He needs to try to be more like them and not act like a minority party. (touch of sarcasm)

In a recent interview he said that we were barely learning to be a minority party....that parties in the minority had to learn to fight back.

We did it the other way, and we lost it all, the WH, the Senate, the House, and we are about to lose any moderate voices on the SC.

The other way really worked so well, didn't it.

On edit, I can almost picture your answer....be more careful, choose words carefully....nope. We need to stay on the offensive, and go after them.