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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 09:35 AM
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The Pentagon's new War Casualty Honor Guard / flag-draped casket photos
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB161/index.htm

PENTAGON RELEASES MORE PHOTOS
OF WAR CASUALTY HONOR GUARDS

Freedom of Information Lawsuit Removes Secrecy for Flag-Draped Casket Ceremonies

Pentagon Agrees to Process Further FOIA Requests,
Plaintiff Agrees to Dismiss Suit

National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 161

August 4 , 2005

July 20, 2005 release
High resolution (16.5 MB zip file): http://www.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB161/7-20-05%20release.zip









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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 09:37 AM
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1. This is a dumb question, but ...
...are they being launched overboard ?
And left to 'float' ??

:wow: That's just WRONG, imho.
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 09:40 AM
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2. No...there are holes drilled into the caskets so they will sink
Edited on Fri Aug-05-05 09:41 AM by KzooDem
Not a dumb question! Actually it you look closely at the lid of the casket, you can see the holes.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 09:40 AM
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3. ever been a pallbearer?
caskets are HEAVY.

I don't think any floating will be a problem.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 09:51 AM
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6. Actually we had one float off once.
We were spared a painful decision when it finally sank on it's own. I was not at the ceremony, but on watch topside. The log reflected that we were "maneuvering at various courses and speeds attempting to close with floating casket."

After that we made sure they had both holes and additional weight so they would sink properly.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 10:00 AM
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9. Weight has nothing to do with it
the ship they are on is a lot heavy and it has no trouble floating.

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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 10:09 AM
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10. I stand corrected.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 09:40 AM
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4. Burial at sea--I believe it's a standard procedure
but no doubt the militarily correct DU-ers around here will be able to explain fully.

:headbang:
rocknation
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 09:46 AM
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5. When did the Navy
start using caskets for burials at sea?

I don't remember them using them before....say....1972-73.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 09:53 AM
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8. Never buried anyone without one.
I was in the Navy in the era you discuss and we buried people frequently. Of course these were people who had expired naturally, fortunately we never lost a crew member.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 09:52 AM
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7. Look at the kids in the third picture.
Holding the edge of the flag. They are a bunch of kids, mostly. How the hell are the ones that survive physically going to survive mentally. Think of the children and weep. Thanks for the pictures.
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