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Mon Aug-08-05 12:46 PM
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HARTMANN: CINDY ON PROGRAM TOMORROW, NO ACCESS TO LAWYER |
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Thom Hartmann will have Cindy on program tomorrow
Ben Burch of White Rose Society reminds us that if arrested under threat to national security, you have NO ACCESS TO A LAWYER
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Mon Aug-08-05 12:49 PM
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1. Her Lawyer will be there with her Thursday |
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She will have access to him, I guess up until the time that she's arrested.
They would really be shooting themselves in the foot if they didn't allow her the right to her lawyer, but I wouldnt' put it past them..
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Mon Aug-08-05 12:49 PM
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2. It's a new thing under the PATRIOT ACT |
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As soon as she is arrested, she can be sent to Gitmo and held forever
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Mon Aug-08-05 01:29 PM
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9. That would be a HUGH PR blunder |
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Nothing would turn this country off to Bush faster than him putting that dear lady in jail (or Gitmo)
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Mon Aug-08-05 02:06 PM
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13. ...if Americans even HEAR about it, you mean. |
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Mon Aug-08-05 04:55 PM
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in this day and age of internet activism, this would make the Free Mumia movement look like chump change.
This would Schiavo in their collective faces.
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Mon Aug-08-05 04:58 PM
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25. If Cindy's white, then no problem |
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File the missing persons and it's all over the front page.
-Hoot
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Mon Aug-08-05 04:53 PM
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23. Yes, but she can't be disappeared |
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Unlike many of the folks at Gitmo who have next to no-one to fight for their release (and that sucks, folks), Cindy has 100,000s of people willing to scream.
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Mon Aug-08-05 09:03 PM
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26. Constitutional Amendments Trump Willy-Nilly Acts (laws), yet... |
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It is true that Amendments trump simple laws. However, if you are picked up in a sweep along with everyone around you at the time, and nobody is around to witness/chronicle it, did it really happen? If you have nobody to represent you, and the government has your body confined, you are effectively marginalized.
So we who are not picked up can go on believing, falsely, that no new precedents have been established -- since legal precedents are established by court procedures...and you will never make it that far.
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Mon Aug-08-05 01:16 PM
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Mon Aug-08-05 12:49 PM
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3. Thank You Ben Burch for getting the word out! |
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Mon Aug-08-05 12:54 PM
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4. re: She'd have no access to a lawyer under Patriot Act |
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I had forgotten about this. Thank you and Ben for reminding us.
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Mon Aug-08-05 12:56 PM
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5. If she gets arrested and no lawyer... It's time for VETS and American |
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Edited on Mon Aug-08-05 12:57 PM by Rainscents
start forming major protest march to Washington DC and or Crawford Taxes!!!
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Mon Aug-08-05 01:01 PM
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6. So she won't be a threat to national security until Thursday? |
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Mon Aug-08-05 03:07 PM
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The 25th chapter of the book of Matthew ends with Matt. 25:46. What are you trying to quote?
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Mon Aug-08-05 04:00 PM
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Mon Aug-08-05 01:07 PM
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7. This is crazy. I'm sick with thought that my country has come to this! |
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Mon Aug-08-05 01:49 PM
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10. I'd forgotten this too... one word - REVOLUTION |
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Mon Aug-08-05 01:51 PM
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11. so, in a nutshell, they're threatening to send her to the gulag forever |
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thank goodness the soviet union is just a thing of the past!
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Mon Aug-08-05 02:12 PM
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15. They ARE sending this as a message |
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courtesy of the Patriot Act whose real purposes are nothing compared to the broad club it gives to power. The news people not commenting on this of course will show how great a weapon it is too, as pure intimidation- if only the isolated patriot(against whom these kinds of laws are directed) gets the point. They allow the RW noise machine to argue absurd and offensive opposite justifications while the obvious threat walks invisible, its menacing aura descending like a wall around the entire nation.
Whether she is even arrested or not, welcome to patriot Act America where every PO'ed GOP twerp can send people away into the night or at least convince you they could.
While the most heinous acts and crimes ever committed in this nation are protected with the same cloak.
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Mon Aug-08-05 02:04 PM
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12. Just remember this is the Freedom our troops are fighting for. |
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Mon Aug-08-05 02:09 PM
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14. DUer Dylan Garcia is her attorney |
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He'll be on his way to Crawford on Wednesday afternoon following a court appearance (I believe he said on some threads here).
Things are about to get real hot in Central Texas, and I don't mean the weather.
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Mon Aug-08-05 02:17 PM
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16. C'mon people, they're not going to arrest her on anything more |
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than some BS roust charge, if that.
Even Bush himself isn't THAT stupid!
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Mon Aug-08-05 02:45 PM
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17. Yes he is THAT stupid... and even worse, he's THAT arrogant. |
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Mon Aug-08-05 04:26 PM
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22. Huh...an arrest is an arrest..... |
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Edited on Mon Aug-08-05 04:27 PM by OneTwentyoNine
People will not connect with some BS roust charge,they will only know that she was arrested for talking out about the War and Bush.
Go for it George,let's see those approval numbers drop another 10 points
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Mon Aug-08-05 03:19 PM
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19. I hope Bushco isn't bluffing |
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Such an abuse of the new law would be not only the biggest PR blunder they could make, but a good demonstration of how the Patriot Act lends itself to abuse.
This lady has the whole administration cornered! It's amazing.
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Mon Aug-08-05 04:17 PM
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21. Is it confirmed that they threatened her with that kind of arrest? |
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If it's definite that they threatened her with arrest under the Patriot Act, rather than just regular arrest for civil disobedience, then they've already crossed a very important line in a very big and public way. That would be using the Patriot Act to stifle dissent, directly and unambiguously. And if it's a confirmed fact that they did we should get real loud about it.
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