Neither Bush nor his Skull & Bones attorney can legally fire Fitzgerald !

[VIHMH5L50P]

Neither Bush, Attorney General Gonzales, nor his designee, have any legal authority to supervise or fire Fitzgerald.

Why? When Fitzgerald was appointed Special Counsel to investigate the Valerie Plame outing of her CIA cover identity, he was authorized through unusual special orders as authorized by law, to have delegated to him complete authority (“plenary”) that the Attorney General would normally have as his supervisor over all aspects of the investigation.

The same initial order authorizing Fitzgerald’s investigation also granted Fitzgerald unlimited ability to expand his investigation as “he saw fit,” based on whatever evidence he encountered, with no need to seek approvals from above, and provided him whatever budget was necessary to carry out that work.

This gave Fitzgerald the ability to investigate not just the Valerie Plame outing, but the 2000 election, 911, going to war with Iraq under alleged false pretenses, money laundering, obstruction of justice, and on and on and on. It appears he's been very busy doing just that, and has issued indictments to Bush and many top officials.

The GAO has ruled on all the above issues, citing the law and precedent, confirming their validity. They have also audited Fitzgerald’s finances and gave him a clean bill of health.

Bush also does not have the legal ability to fire Fitzgerald even if he wanted to, on a potential indictment of Bush, which Bill is reported to have already been signed by the Chicago Grand Jury (Fitzgerald is operating with grand juries in Chicago and Washington, D.C.), because since it involved him, it would be a conflict of interest prohibited by law.

Folks, a lot is going on under the surface though it only feels like the calm before a very big storm.

Here is an extract of the legal mumbo-jumbo:

http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/

Monday, August 08, 2005
TREASONGATE: The US Attorney General's Office AND President Bush Have NO LEGAL AUTHORITY To Remove Patrick Fitzgerald As Special Counsel
The Attorney General, Acting Attorney General or any other officer of the Department of Justice has NO LEGAL AUTHORITY to remove Special Counsel Fitzgerald from the Treasongate investigation or prosecution-- AND -- President Bush does NOT have the legal authority to fire Patrick Fitzgerald in his capacity as "Special Counsel".

Analysis of federal law (involved with both the appointment of -- and authority granted to -- Special Counsel Fitzgerald), Comey's press conference of December 30th, 2003, and Decision B-302582 (September 30, 2004) issued by the Government Accounting Office, leads to the following legal conclusions:

1. James Comey, in his capacity as Acting Attorney General, with respect to the Justice Department's investigation into "the alleged unauthorized disclosure of a CIA employee's identity" (hereinafter "Treasongate"), delegated his plenary authority to Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, pursuant to 28 U.S.C. 508, 509, 510, and 515, conferring upon him "all of the authority of the Attorney General" thereby transferring his status as Acting Attorney General, in this matter, to Fitzgerald.

2. Special Counsel Fitzgerald is not serving as an "outside Special Counsel" pursuant to 28 USA § 600, so the provisions of that code are not applicable in this matter nor do they have any legal effect over Fitzgerald's investigation and/or prosecution.

3. While President Bush may fire or replace Fitzgerald as the "US Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois", the President has NO AUTHORITY to fire him as the "Special Counsel" in the Treasongate investigation.

Fitzgerald wears the following two hats:

1. US Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois.

2. Special Counsel in the Treasongate investigation "Acting" with the full authority of the US Attorney General.


We aspire to be a nation of laws. The Constitution was our protection from tyranny, but the dying document now faces its greatest challenge fighting off a disease so insidious its sickness threatens a global plague of bloodshed and repression.

From the draconian provisions of the Patriot Act, which allows federal agents to sneak into our homes without a warrant or probable cause, to the expanding psy ops of horrific murder and torture of men, women and children who haven't been given a scintilla of due process in their own sovereign land which we invaded based upon fake evidence, our laws are riddled with a malignant cancer.

Who will stand up for the law when the law is beaten and abused? Who will stand up for the guardians of the law when the guardians are beaten and abused?

As you will soon see, Fitzgerald's appointment as Special Counsel, the first of its kind in the history of the United States, was meticulously crafted to withstand the coming onslaught.

Speculation is running rampant as to whether Patrick Fitzgerald and his grand jury investigation will be shut down by Bush administration operatives. You may believe that Bush cannot risk the political fallout associated with removing Fitzgerald, but his team of fascist criminals will shoot first and ask questions...never.

These are the same people who carefully calculated they could openly commit Treason by outing Valerie Plame and her CIA network. They weren't worried about the fall out then, and they won't be worried about it now.

It's not political fall out that will prevent the Bush death squad from removing Fitzgerald; their obstacle is the law. It doesn't matter whether they put all of Skull and Bones in the Justice Department and relocate the DOJ to a tomb in New Haven, the law protects Patrick Fitzgerald's mandate from all intervention. Neither Bush nor his Justice Department cronies have the legal authority to remove Fitzgerald as Special Counsel or to prematurely end his grand jury. You can thank James Comey for this.

Comey's brilliant nuances involved with US Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald's appointment as "Special Counsel" are nothing short of genius. The foresight of Acting Attorney General Comey's "delegation of authority" to Fitzgerald will go down in history as one of the most stunning and brilliant acts of non-partisan patriotism this nation has ever seen.

I do not throw these words out lightly.

Federal regulations and decisions, germane to Fitzgerald's unique appointment, legally protect the integrity of the Special Counsel's unrestricted mandate from interference by political operatives in this investigation, an investigation to which Acting Attorney General James Comey (empowered as such by Attorney General John Ashcroft's recusal) provided unprecedented patriotic and non-partisan foresight.

Furthermore, Fitzgerald was empowered by Comey with unilateral authority to "expand" his jurisdiction and "pursue it wherever he wants to pursue it". Let your imagination run wild because it's all legally in play.

THE APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL COUNSEL PATRICK FITZGERALD

On December 30th, 2003, Deputy Attorney General James Comey held a press conference wherein he announced that Attorney General John Ashcroft had recused himself, on that day, from all involvement with the Treasongate investigation. Comey stated that the recusal included all of Ashcroft's "staff" and that "a document was created ...that memorialized the recusal."

Comey announced:

"By that act, I automatically become the acting attorney general for purposes of this case with authority to determine how the case is investigated, and if warranted by the evidence, prosecuted."

Comey went on to say:

"

rior to his recusal, the attorney general and I agreed that it was appropriate to appoint a special counsel from outside our normal chain of command to oversee this investigation.

By his recusal, of course, the attorney general left to me the decision about how to choose a counsel, who that person should be and what that person's mandate should be...effective immediately, the United States attorney for the Northern District of Illinois, Patrick J. Fitzgerald, will serve as special counsel in charge of this matter."

Fitzgerald's authority was conferred from Comey to him via two official Justice Department notification letters. The first letter was issued on December 30, 2003. It stated:

"By the authority vested in the Attorney General by law, including 28 U.S.C. 509, 510, and 515, and in my capacity as Acting Attorney General pursuant to 28 U.S.C. 508, I hereby delegate to you all the authority of the Attorney General with respect to the Department's investigation into the alleged unauthorized disclosure of a CIA employee's identity, and I direct you to exercise that authority as Special Counsel independent of the supervision or control of any officer of the Department."

At the December 30 press conference, Comey further stated:

"Fitzgerald...does not have to come back to me for anything...I've told him, our instructions are: You have this authority; I've delegated to you all the approval authority that I as attorney general have. You can exercise it as you see fit.

And a U.S. attorney or a normal outside counsel would have to go through the approval process to get permission to appeal something. Fitzgerald would not because of the broad grant of authority I've given him.

So, in short, I have essentially given him -- not essentially -- I have given him all the approval authorities that rest -- that are inherent in the attorney general; something that does not happen with an outside special counsel."

Before we analyze the provisions of the law which enables this transfer of power, please note that Comey removed all "supervision or control of any officer of the Department" while also conferring "all the approval authority" that Comey, "as Attorney General" had.

From the December 30th press conference:

"Q: You mentioned that the -- you felt that Fitzgerald will have a broader -- actually a broader mandate, broader abilities than an outside counsel. Can you expand on that a little bit? In what respect will he have a --

MR. COMEY: Yes. An outside counsel has a -- the regulations prescribe a number of ways in which they're very similar to a U.S. attorney. For example, they have to follow all Department of Justice policies regarding approvals. So that means if they want to subpoena a member of the media, if they want to grant immunity, if they want to subpoena a lawyer -- all the things that we as U.S. attorneys have to get approval for, an outside counsel has to come back to the Department of Justice. An outside counsel also only gets the jurisdiction that is assigned to him and no other. The regulations provide that if he or she wants to expand that jurisdiction, they have to come back to the attorney general and get permission.

Fitzgerald has been told, as I said to you: Follow the facts; do the right thing. He can pursue it wherever he wants to pursue it."

On February 6, 2004, a second official letter was sent to Fitzgerald by Comey. This second letter (as well as the first) was discussed in Decision B-302582 issued by the Government Accountability Office (hereinafter GAO) on September 30, 2004. (The GAO Decision paper was drafted in relation to oversight of appropriations granted to Fitzgerald's office for the investigation. This is discussed in detail below).

The GAO quoted Comey's second letter to Fitzgerald as follows:

"In February 2004, Acting Attorney General Comey clarified Special Counsel Fitzgerald's delegation of authority to state that the authority previously delegated to him is plenary. It also states, 'Further, my conferral on you of the title of Special Counsel' in this matter should not be misunderstood to suggest that your position and authorities are defined and limited by 28 CFR Part 600.' <4>"

Comey went to great lengths to shield Fitzgerald from the restrictions of 28 CFR Part 600. These regulations, enacted by former Attorney General Janet Reno, demand that an "outside Special Counsel" submit his investigation to various oversight by others in the Justice Department.

[Jim Sagle]

1. Guess what? w's goons don't CARE what's legal.

Legally, he's not the President. So what?

He'll fire Fitz and give some lame justification.

And then he'll flash that SPESHUL smirk that only he can flash so well..

The smirk that says, "I'll do WHATEVER I want, wherever and HOWEVER I want, as OFTEN as I want. And if y'all start mouthing off about what's legal, y'all just MIGHT end up in GITMO.

"Hell, I KNOW I lost the election. That just makes it TWICE as sweet. I'm proud to be a worthless piece of shit and lovin' every second of it.

"And by the way, I'm TAKING your Social Security money. If Congress doesn't hand it over, I'll just declare martial law and take it anyhow.

"Have a nice day, chumps."

[wli]

4. I'm kind of scared even despite this

Scared that Bushler will declare martial law, scared that Bushler will order the SS or the regular army to gun Fitz down, scared that even if Fitz indicts that the indictments will go nowhere.

[Imagevision]

10. Bush's Skull and Bones Bro May Oversee CIA Plame Leak Investigation

NEWSWEEK:
With Attorney General Alberto Gonzales recused, department officials say they are still trying to resolve whom Fitzgerald will now report to. Associate Attorney General Robert McCallum is "likely" to be named as acting deputy A.G., a DOJ official who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the matter tells NEWSWEEK.

But McCallum may be seen as having his own conflicts: he is an old friend of President Bush's and a member of his Skull and Bones class at Yale.

One question: how much authority Comey's successor will have over Fitzgerald. When Comey appointed Fitzgerald in 2003, the deputy granted him extraordinary powers to act however he saw fit—but noted he still had the right to revoke Fitzgerald's authority
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?id=3593

[VIHMH5L50P]

44. A boss for Fitz the US Attney can be appointed, but not Fitz the Spec Pros

2 Points:

a. I SEE A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY TO EXPOSE SKULL & BONES.

b. Fitzgerald has two jobs; US Attorney in Chicago, & Special Counsel on the Valerie Plame case based in D.C. A boss is being appointed for him as far as Fitzgerald is US Attorney, but Fitzgerald can have no boss for the Valerie Plame case!

This BONESMAN cannot discuss the Valerie Plame case with Fitzgerald, it would be against the law!

"But McCallum may be seen as having his own conflicts: he is an old friend of President Bush's and a member of his Skull and Bones class at Yale."

Exactly. Maybe Fitzgerald can play rough too if he wants. What if he challenged and investigated the Skull&Bones connection to Bush, if he felt it was part of an obstruction of justice effort?

Why that would give him the power to subpoena Skull&Bones records and depose some of its members, including in various government departments, including if they were involved in 911.

Does anyone think Bush would want to take that chance? I don't, but maybe it hasn't occurred to them. Sounds like an excellent opportunity to indict Skull & Bones of all kinds of crimes if they are involved in them.

[fooj]

2. Welcome to DU! Thanks for the info.

Peace.

[eleny]

3. Thank you!

I'm almost afraid to believe that it's true.

[VIHMH5L50P]

33. You are most welcome! But I'm just one messenger

I personally would thank Deputy AG Comey who appointed Fitzgerald, and I would thank this famous woman prosecutor who recommended Fitzgerald to Comey, then of course I would deeply thank Special Counsel Fitzgerald for taking on the job and then doing it with vigor, courage, and integrity.

One more, many thanks would be owed to the Chicago Grand Jury, and there may actually be more than one jury, who is made up of citizens like us, who took their job seriously, paid attention, and on learning they had the power to issue indictments on their own, didn't waiver.

I seem to pick up that they weren't cowards and wanted to go wherever the evidence took them, and they weren't purchased off by anyone.

"I'm almost afraid to believe that it's true."

Many people are scared to get their hopes up, or scared that this might cause the mafia that is in charge to create a major distraction like Martial Law, a new war in Iran, a big terrorist incident, or who knows what else.

In my opinion, we can't allow ourselves to be scared, because the corrupt forces can do their thing when we are weak and scared. They're counting on it. They're cowards and bullies. If they see courage, they're dead meat.

So we make up our minds to not get scared, to pay whatever cost we have to pay, even with our lives if need be, to clean things up right once and for all, for us and our children.

We must demand nothing less than full accountability for everything. Let the chips fall where they may. If we all think that way, the price we pay will be smaller.

That's how our freedom was won, how it was preserved, and now it's our turn to do what we can to make sure our children have it.

Sorry, I'm lecturing, I get carried away.

[writes2000]

34. So the Grand Jury is in Chicago?

I thought it was in DC. It's been in Chicago?

[VIHMH5L50P]

41. IT'S BOTH CHICAGO AND WASHINGTON, D.C.

Fitzgerald is U.S. Attorney in Chicago, as well as Special Counsel in Washington, D.C. on the Valerie Plame case.

And I don't know how it works, but apparently he's been doing some of the Valerie Plame work in Chicago.

[Rebellious Republican]

5. One major flaw in this....

Comey's replacement is between Fitz and Bush. Does not have to fire Fitz,he will just run interference for Bushco.

Probably will supply Bush with advance notice to everything Fitz will be doing.

Throw up hurtles and roadblocks making it impossible for Fitz to do his job.

Simple question, who will Fitz report to, who does Comey's replacement report to?

Call me crazy, but I do have a problem with this arrangement.

[shraby]

6. Comey is leaving, or has already left so

he doesn't enter the picture. If this report is true, Fitz is his own boss.

[Rebellious Republican]

7. My mistake meant to say Comey's replacement, getting late!

[VIHMH5L50P]

8. Fitzgerald reports to no one

Fitzgerald is at the same level as Attorney General of the U.S. for this investigation only (the Valerie Plame case), and whatever areas it expands into (which could be anything).

Normally an Attorney General reports to the President, but in this case, since the investigation and potential indictment would be about him, Bush has a legal conflict of interest and cannot supervise Fitzgerald (this is the beauty of the setup as arranged by Mr. Comey).

It is tremendous unprecedented power that the Dept of Justice itself fought for, now it is sweating bullets over it without being able to reverse it. This is why this lawyer states:

"As you will soon see, Fitzgerald's appointment as Special Counsel, the first of its kind in the history of the United States, was meticulously crafted to withstand the coming onslaught."

THANK YOU MR. COMEY.

and

"Speculation is running rampant as to whether Patrick Fitzgerald and his grand jury investigation will be shut down by Bush administration operatives. You may believe that Bush cannot risk the political fallout associated with removing Fitzgerald, but his team of fascist criminals will shoot first and ask questions...never."

"These are the same people who carefully calculated they could openly commit Treason by outing Valerie Plame and her CIA network. They weren't worried about the fall out then, and they won't be worried about it now."

"It's not political fall out that will prevent the Bush death squad from removing Fitzgerald; their obstacle is the law. It doesn't matter whether they put all of Skull and Bones in the Justice Department and relocate the DOJ to a tomb in New Haven, the law protects Patrick Fitzgerald's mandate from all intervention. Neither Bush nor his Justice Department cronies have the legal authority to remove Fitzgerald as Special Counsel or to prematurely end his grand jury. You can thank James Comey for this."

[Imagevision]

11. Not accurate---> read...

One question: how much authority Comey's successor will have over Fitzgerald. When Comey appointed Fitzgerald in 2003, the deputy granted him extraordinary powers to act however he saw fit—but noted he still had the right to revoke Fitzgerald's authority.
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?id=3593

[VIHMH5L50P]

20. Yes, but there's other factors involved

The information is that the indictment BILL has already been issued by the Grand Jury, just not made public yet (this is normal until the investigation phase is completed, following Federal Court procedures. It happened in the background to Nixon, and he resigned before the indictment came out because he knew he could not survive that politically, nor probably legally).

The Grand Jury can act independently of Fitzgerald and apparently has, so at this point it's out of Fitzgerald's hands, even if the Skull&Bones W buddy does try to tamper with Fitzgerald's authority.

And the moment the indictments are announced, it becomes a totally new monster with a life of it's own. The MSM would not be able to ignore it, or grilling Bush with questions continuously, and Bush would be under a microscope and feeling it.

The gravity of the charges (allegedly including high treason) would stun the nation so much, that Bush would have to immediately respond to the charges to the public and very convincingly, and if not, would be unable to function politically and inevitably be pressured into resigning (forget the legalities). His own party would have to jump ship or go down with him, and they would start quickly going on TV calling for his resignation (Senators like McCain, etc.) That spells doom for him, one that could escalate very fast.

Especially if new devastating allegations or actual evidence kept hitting the news, as it is bound to in such an atmosphere (because we all know there's a lot of nasty skeletons in his closet).

Can you imagine a president facing such charges? He wouldn't be able to appear in public as very big and angry crowds would be there to meet him with riots at every stop. That's untenable.

After the indictment is out, he or his Skull & Bones pal could not do anything short of some real good stealth witchcraft to hamper Fitzgerald or it would backfire on him.

So the pressure is probably on Bush to move real fast, before the indictment comes out. That's the only chance for him and it's not guaranteed. So I hope the indictments come out quickly.

[slaveplanet]

32. read his update and clarification

original: MR. COMEY: That's a great question. (Laughter.) Now I believe that I could revoke the delegation of authority that I've given to him. I don't believe that I could --


He appears to believe he could revoke the delegation of authority, but that he couldn't outright fire him. The answer is clearly nebulous. Comey even says, "That's a great question". He never says equivocally whether he could remove Fitzgerald. He appears to be waffling.

this was added here:

But this press conference took place on December 30, 2003. Decision B-302582 was dated September 30, 2004. Comey wasn't sure back on December 30, 2003, whether or not he could remove Fitzgerald or even limit his authority. But since that time, DOJ created a very convincing argument for their presentation to the GAO. The GAO bought that argument hook, line and sinker agreeing that Fitzgerald has all of the protection and authority granted by the expired independent counsel law. This means his office of the Special Counsel is legally protected from interference by anybody at DOJ, President Bush or anybody else that breathes air on planet Earth.


original: How can they come back now, after making the argument that Fitzgerald should have all of the independence and financing of independent counsels appointed under the expired independent counsel law, to argue that Special Counsel Fitzgerald should not have that same independence as to the issue of whether the President or anybody at DOJ can fire him or even limit his jurisdiction and plenary authority?

& this was added here:

They can't.

But should they try anyway, Fitzgerald can destroy them in court by entering into evidence the documentation clarifying the DOJ mindset with regards to their lobbying of the GAO for permanent indefinite appropriation to fund Special Counsel Fitzgerald's investigations.

Simply put, DOJ cannot reverse themselves on the issue of Fitzgerald's plenary authority and independence just because he's getting too close to possible indictments/convictions of the people he was specifically empowered by DOJ to investigation.

[VIHMH5L50P]

37. THANKS! Quite a "pickle" bad boy W got himself in !!!

This is very powerful language. I see no holes in it. To me it looks like Fitzgerald is untouchable, and by law DOJ cannot even look at his work (until made public), much less try to supervise it.

"But since that time, DOJ created a very convincing argument for their presentation to the GAO. The GAO bought that argument hook, line and sinker agreeing that Fitzgerald has all of the protection and authority granted by the expired independent counsel law. This means his office of the Special Counsel is legally protected from interference by anybody at DOJ, President Bush or anybody else that breathes air on planet Earth." (that covers everybody I can think of)

OUCH!

Bush must be really ticked at DOJ. I guess Gonzales is out as a future Supreme Court nominee, even if he wasn't being indicted too.

[CantGetFooledAgain]

9. Great post...

I hope that everything you have said here turns out to be true.

[Stinky The Clown]

12. Questions ... I have questions ...... I have loads and loads of questions

First, if this gets a legal challenege, no matter how off the wall, whgere does it go? Why, to Kim Il Bush's judiciaray, of course. And we all know what they do for the unprecedented, don't we?

How reliable is the source of this opinion? Is it dogshit.com or a serious and credible source?

If Comey did this legal crafting .... why?

In fact, go back a step ...... why did Comey select a bulldog like Fitzgerald?

This says flatly that there's an indictment for idiot son. Odd that we've heard that nowhere else. Not even a hint of it.

I Pray to GOD this is all true.

But for now, I only have hope .... my confidence in all that this says is fact is far weaker than my hope that its true.

PLEASE convince me.

[VIHMH5L50P]

31. The key is that what's going on become known by the public

because then it's much harder to hide. The best way would be for the indictments to be released. That would make it unstoppable.

There are two arenas; the legal system and the political system.

If it is as bad as the articles about it say and becomes public, the legal process will not even matter as the political tsunami would just devastate Bush and his whole government, greatly dwarfing Watergate (remember in Watergate it was just Nixon, in this it appears it's a whole layer of the government starting at the top!)

As to sources, it is several ones that I am very confident of or I would not be here saying what I am saying.

The one I know best for years now is Tom Flocco. This is a man of his word, and he is positive the indictments are already a fact. He's a sharp guy (here's his blockbuster article that started it all: http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/08/322473.shtml ) He cites sources, one is Thomas Heneghen, who has intelligence sources, there is Sherm Skolnik, Toronto radio talk show host Lenny Bloom, former whistleblower Stew Webb, and others they refer to but don't name.

Some people knock Skolnik because he writes a lot of conspiracy articles in intelligence topics, and he's been wrong before, but he's been right a lot, and in areas where few others touch.

And consider this factor, some of these sources cite people that work for our intelligence services (FBI, CIA, etc.) that are honest and care about this country (I guess there are a few left, great!), but who don't any longer trust the MSM, and now are starting to go to these guys to leak bad stuff that is going on, because they know these guys are not bought off by the MSM, and have the guts to print the facts !!! You know, that's what good sources want, that their information get out. Flocco has broken some big stories in the last couple of years.

I can't convince you, only you can do that, and do it by checking the facts. And we'll know if it was true soon enough.

I think these internet radio broadcasts these guys do are even better than the articles they write. They get into more detail and you can get a feel for how good their knowledge and confidence is from their tone of voice and inflexion.

Check this one out, from 8/2/05, the day the story broke:

http://www.cloakanddagger.de/shows/webcast/_new_August/_CLOAK_SHOP_FLOCCO_08_02_05.mp3

I hope lots of you share this story with others.

[dxstone]

13. Thank you VERY MUCH for sharing this hopeful info!

I just hope the Wild Bushmen don't somehow "win" another "trifecta"...
It's simply amazing, the things they're able to pull out of their asses whenever needed...
Kicked and nominated!
d

[Imagevision]

14. And the fact is - that Ashcroft after recuesing himself appointed Fitz

google Ashcroft Fitzgerald

[AndyTiedye]

That's The Part That Blows Me Away

Ashcroft never shied away from covering up for the regime while they were torturing prisoners in Abu Ghraib and Gitmo.
He cheered while they shredded the Bill of Rights.

But this time he recused himself, and appointed a real investigator to carry on what appears to be a real investigation.

Whatever the CIA showed him must have been REALLY, REALLY, BAD.

[libertypirate]

23. No he didn't....

He appointed Fitzgerald's boss who signed the authority over to Fitzgerald, not in a supervisory role.

[Mr Rabble]

15. Bushco must be well aware of this.

So, what are they up to?

[VIHMH5L50P]

22. You bet he/they are aware of it

and have been sweating bullets on it for months.

their problem is they can't do anything about it that doesn't expose Bush to more trouble than he's already got.

[libertypirate]

24. Check out some of the other posts on the site

I think the person is from Chicago...

http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/

[VIHMH5L50P]

38. I just found this guy last week and was very impressed

I'm sure many good blogs need to find out about this guy's recent articles. Maybe some of us can send copies to some?

[Donailin]

16. totally freakin nominated

music to my ears. I refuse to entertain any "Buts" this evening.

I'm going to bed on a positive note if it's the last thing I do.

[VIHMH5L50P]

17. Impressive guy: some background on Fitzgerald by the Chicago Tribune...

(be sure to read the last 3 paragraphs).

He loves his work, and seeks no political office or promotions. He just wants to stay where he is and keep working.

In addition to being Special Counsel on the Valerie Plame case in Washington, Fitzgerald is also U.S. Attorney for Chicago

LET FITZGERALD KEEP THE HEAT ON THE COMBINE
by John Kass
Published August 4, 2005
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-0508040206aug04,1,6617906.column?coll=chi-news-nav

If ever U.S. Atty. Patrick Fitzgerald leaves Chicago, I figure that Mayor Richard Daley, his Democratic machine and his Republican friends in the Illinois political combine will pop for champagne at Gibsons in Rosemont.

They'll party there, and later at Rosebud on Taylor Street and then on to the Viagra Triangle along Rush Street. Their happy days will be here again.

But for now, they might as well put the party on ice. Because Fitzgerald said Wednesday that he has no plans to leave town.

He said he wants to stay. His term ends in October, and it will be up to President Bush to decide whether he remains or whether he exits and makes the combine delirious with joy.

"I'm just going to do my job until someone tells me otherwise," Fitzgerald said at a news conference in which he announced the indictments of more combine boys.

"I love my job. I'm very, very lucky to work with the people behind me and the people behind that, and I have no plans to do anything else."

Federal authorities charged three political insiders Wednesday with extorting money from investment companies working with the Teachers Retirement System pension fund.

According to the indictments, in trying to shake down a Virginia investment firm on behalf of Republican Stuart Levine, top Democratic fundraiser and lawyer Joe Cari is alleged to have said:

"This is how things are done in Illinois."

Another lawyer, Steven Loren, also was charged in the shakedown scheme. He and Cari are now cooperating with prosecutors. Levine, who was indicted on multiple counts, was recently indicted in another alleged kickback scam on the state's Health Facilities Planning Board.

Years ago, some questioned if there was an Illinois combine, a ruling bipartisan clique gorging on public money, using political muscle to fill their pockets. I don't think many people question that anymore.

According to the grand jury, some Democrats and Republicans work together just fine. They're not divided by opposing ideologies. Instead, they're bound by a common interest: cash.

The combine fought to stop Fitzgerald from coming to Chicago from New York. They ran former U.S. Sen. Peter Fitzgerald (R-Ill.) out of politics for the sin of installing Patrick Fitzgerald (no relation) in the job of federal hammer in Chicago.

Lately, there's been speculation that the president would lean on Fitzgerald and remove him because Fitzgerald is a presidential irritant, acting as special counsel in Washington. He's investigating Bush administration officials for reportedly leaking the identity of CIA officer Valerie Plame.

Presidential political adviser Karl Rove and others in Rove's sphere have been questioned in the investigation. It is assumed Rove will seek revenge. U.S. Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan.) wants to hold Senate hearings to question Fitzgerald about his investigation. These hearings are seen as an extension of Rove's long hand.

And in Chicago, Fitzgerald has the Outfit upset, not to mention Streets & San, the mayor's office and Daley's own 11th Ward organization, and the Republican clique of former Gov. George Ryan. Fitzgerald and Chicago FBI chief Rob Grant are expected to announce more corruption charges in another case on Thursday morning.

So they're giving everybody agita. With all this going on, all these investigations and all the political interests he's threatened by pursuing cases, Fitzgerald was asked the big question.

Do you want to stay?

"I'm not going to start lobbying for a job," he said. "I'm just saying that I'm very happy with my job, very grateful I have it, and I'm just going to keep working."

He wasn't lobbying. And he wasn't being slick about it. He was just answering the question, appearing to be slightly embarrassed to be talking about himself.

I don't know Fitzgerald well. But I can see he is uncomfortable with being cast as some knight on a white horse. He's no such thing. He's much more dangerous.

He's a federal prosecutor who does not want to run for governor or a big job in a top law firm. He's not whispering that he'd like to be made a federal judge. He doesn't want to be somebody's rainmaker.

There's nothing more frightening to the combine than someone without an appetite they can feed.

[mikelewis]

18. Somewhere in Iran...

A terrorist is plotting to call Dick Cheney's bluff and strike at the very heart of America. This terrorist is designating his strike package as Operation Mohammad Kills Fitzgerald. This of course will prompt an immediate response from the Americans and force them to attack Iran so terrorists can kill more American Soldiers.

[Patchuli]

27. Oh please! No scary stories before bedtime!

:scared:

[Gregorian]

19. This is all fine. But isn't it a bit academic considering pardons?

I always do this- look ahead to the logical conclusion. And what keeps coming up is pardons. Maybe this belongs in another thread. But logically, these people all walk regardless of Fitzgerald's judgement. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe there's something bigger that is unpardonable. In my dreams.

[libertypirate]

25. If you step on the head of a snake it can't turn to bite you.

[VIHMH5L50P]

40. TRUE, BUT...with some snakes it's worth the risk

for the greater overall good?

(if I was lucky enough to have the opportunity, I'd stomp on this snake's head real hard and in half a hearbeat, hoping for a big-time splatter of a mess, with no recognizable head left over to bite me back with, but accepting the risk of it going wrong. For that honor my life would be complete).

[VIHMH5L50P]

28. I bet you he's sorry now he didn't listen to his Mom's advice which was

to not lie so much (joke).

I don't think Bush or any President can pardon himself, in advance of being indicted, convicted or pleading guilty to anything.

And to seek a pardon for himself would be to admit to guilt for treason (a death blow).

If he did that he'd get immediately arrested and jailed while the legal process took a couple of years to sort itself out, and any President guilty of treason would certainly get the death penalty.

Remember part of the indictment is supposed to be that they found evidence the Supreme Court was illegally forced to give Bush the election, he would have no legitimacy left to do anything, officially.

And Cheney is reported to be under equally serious indictment too, he'd have to leave before being sworn in (close Dick, but yet so far).

And if we're talking about treason, whoever takes over in the Constitutional succession would not dare try to pardon those people unless he was suicidal.

At that point Bush would have suddenly from one week to the next find himself with no more political power, zip nada, and he wouldn't find anyone willing to risk their butts for him.

I realize I'm speculating a lot here but treason by a President and many other high officials is just too explosive an event to conceive any normal legal scenarios to unfold.

At that point politically the message would be clear, screw the laws you get the hell out right now. He'd probably find a plane and flee to some faraway country and get plastic surgery.

[mikelewis]

30. Speaking of Succession - Isn't Denny in a spot right now?

Wasn't Dennis Hastert just fingered by Siebel Edmunds as taking bribe money from Turkey? If this breaks at the same time, by the time we've figured out the line of succession, my councilman is going to be President. Man, I love this shit!

[VIHMH5L50P]

39. I think Speaker of the House is #3, who's #4, Sec of State?

I think so if I remember right from the time Reagan was shot and VP Daddy Bush was away, and Alexander Haig stepped up to the mike and said "relax all I'm in charge of the country right now" or something like that...

[Uncle Joe]

58. I think I may have missed this part?

"Remember part of the indictment is supposed to be that they found evidence the Supreme Court was illegally forced to give Bush the election, he would have no legitimacy left to do anything, officially."

I have not heard of this before.

[VIHMH5L50P]

59. Here's the background on the 2000 Supr Court fiasco and Bush illegitimacy

When I said "they found evidence the Supreme Court was illegally forced to give Bush the election, he would have no legitimacy left to do anything, officially"

I meant no "political" legitimacy to do anything. Of course Bush if indicted on these grounds still legally has his office until he is convicted, which would take a long time to resolve through the legal system, BUT under such charges he would lose ALL political support and could not function as a President.

Here is one place where the amazing 2000 Supreme Court allegations are being discussed, but not the only one:

http://www.cloakanddagger.de/media/S_284_S/Overthrow%20series/bush.htm

Here is a relevant extract: "Connecting the dots might show what choices the Occupant and Resident of the White House, George W. Bush, has, if at all.

1. For several years we have been researching and investigating bribery and other malign influences used to procure from a Five-Judge majority of the U.S. Supreme Court the arbitrary and corrupt ruling, December, 2000, installing by way of the case of Bush versus Gore, a fictitious president into the Oval Office.

One of the four dissenting judges, John Paul Stevens, issued the most blistering Dissenting Opinion ever made by a high court judge.

On the other hand, dissenting Judge Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the subject of threats by the Five, deleted from her Dissenting Opinion certain revealing matters.

2. The kingpin of the infamous Five was Judge Antonin Scalia. He and three judges in the federal appeals court in Chicago, U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit, one step below the high court in Washington, three were professors together and one was law school dean at Rockefeller's University of Chicago Law School.

These four Rockefeller judges, while on the bench, continue to represent the several billion dollar investment portfolio of Rockefeller's University of Chicago. Included are stocks of major corporations whose litigation is ruled upon by these judges who do not disqualify themselves. Further, by failing to reveal this, these judges violate a federal law requiring a mandatory annual judicial disclosure of income which these judges sign subject to the penalties of perjury. Particularly arrogant is Judge Scalia. In the law trade he is known as a "Go To Hell Judge".

3. In December, 2000, presenting the position of George W. Bush in the high court case of Bush versus Gore, was Theodore B. Olson, at the time, a private law partner of Eugene Scalia, son of Judge Scalia. Some contend Olson is a "court bagman" in Washington and in the Federal Courthouse in Chicago.

After George W. Bush was thus installed, Olson was made the Solicitor General. In that capacity, he perverted an intellectual property case in the High Court which benefited Mickey Mouse---Disney---by extending their Copyright 75 years, worth many billions of dollars. Funds from Disney and Coca-Cola were involved in corrupting the Unholy Five on the High Court.

5. A tiny portion of our investigation of the High Court corruption, without mentioning us at all by name, became the subject of a lengthy story in Vanity Fair Magazine, October, 2004 issue. Following this was a forty minute segment about this on the Terri Gross Show on National Public Radio.

Risking their future career, some of the law clerks of the Dissenting four judges in Bush versus Gore reportedly stole private secret records of the Infamous Five showing the malign influence worked on the Judges in installing Bush. Instead of investigating the Five High Court Judicial criminals, Homeland Security and the FBI have been threatening and inflicting harm on the Dissenting Four High Court Judges and their brave law clerks.

8. Overseas, facilities of Coca-Cola act as an American CIA proprietary firm. Covert espionage agents use Coca-Cola's offices and plants as a cover, a place to conveniently hang their hats. The vast Coca-Cola money flow has been used to return to the U.S. to corrupt the High Court case of Bush versus Gore and other high-level litigation.

The Chief Federal Prosecutor in Atlanta, Coke's headquarters, began digging into allegations that Coca-Cola's upper brass were "cooking the books" sort of like Enron. Understanding it was a good time to get out, many of Coke's upper management quit.

The Atlanta Prosecutor perhaps feared forbidden matters would come out at a trial. Such as that the Coke "book cooking" matters related to the malign influence on the Unholy Five on the High Court in Bush versus Gore. A less than brave prosecutor might jeopardize his career making such matters public.

So instead of a trial there was a settlement. How many incriminating Coke documents were dumped into the Atlanta Prosecutor's shredding machine? How many witnesses were told to "Get lost"? What did the Atlanta Prosecutor do with the load of documents we made available to him?

9. A question remains. Did Valerie Plame, or her husband, know that a sizeable portion of the funds for her team's operations worldwide were funneled through American CIA proprietary Coca-Cola? And that the funds corrupted the High Court? ..."

[mikelewis]

29. I think there may be a law against pardoning yourself, unless...

of course, you burp. If a pardon is issued, the person must plead guilty to all charges and offer a full confession. IF they do that, they will openly admit that they violated the law. This will open the door into an investigation of GW which they will try to avoid. Essentially, they're going to have to suspend the Department of Justice to get out of this. They may be capable of doing this but they're not considering pardons at least at this point.

Right now, they're trying to bribe the prosecutor. All he has to do is look to his new freinds cushy life and imagine what would happen to him if he stops investigating. Fitzgerald may back down and take the bribe, who knows? He may stick to principle and keep swinging. I don't know but pardoning really isn't an option. Too many people dissapprove of Bush for this to happen. Limbaugh couldn't even explain this away, though you know he'd fuckin try.

A lot of people would also start freakin out if that happened. The Republican party would cease to exist. That's why Nixon resigned, he knew the party would never survive a successful impeachment. The party knew it too, probably better than Nixon did. If Bush pardons this act of treason, it would be worse than a successful impeachment.

The Democratic party would also see this as a clear violation of the law and really have to start thinking about thier political future. If they allow this to happen, they're a dead party and they know it. They will have to address it in the Senate. We would completely abandon them if they didn't. They know this. If you think the debate over the Nuclear option was tense, just imagine the debate on the Senate floor over this little incident. Boxer would never stand for this. Kerry would never stand for this. Hell, Voinovich would never stand for this, {well, i'm not sayin never, but most likely, maybe wouldn't stand for this.} Robert Byrd would rip up his copy of the Constitution and storm out of the Senate. I can't imagine what Wes Clark would do but then again, I can. I think we'd have a very serious problem if Bush pardons Rove.

Truth is, if Bush pardon Rove, we all have to agree that our Democracy is dead. I don't think they've been able to achieve that goal yet. If this happens, we'll definitely know.

[evilqueen]

43. Not quite.

Study the pardon Ford gave Nixon. No trial, no actual impeachment, had yet happened.

I'm not a lawyer (though I find law a very interesting subject to study), and when that happened, it was my belief that Ford's pardon of Nixon was completely illegal, null, and void.

[Gregorian]

54. Thanks to you , and to the reply from the original poster.

My simple thinking didn't see the ramifications. That includes what happens next with the prosecution. Jeez, I can't believe it's not OVER. I've got popcorn up to my waist. I'm drowning in it. Meanwhile, the damage is done. The permanent appointments are in place. I just hope we can repeal those as well, if this administration proves to be fraudulent. I don't think I have the patience for this.

Thanks for the explanations.

[lonestarnot]

21. Alberturd Gonzasleeez says bushitler going to reappoint when term is up

Read it on www.rawstory.com front page tonight

[libertypirate]

26. You didn't read the blog...

For the spot in the norther district, which doesn't include duties as special prosecutor. He is not moving.

[lonestarnot]

51. did read the blog .... left out the word not in my post... do that

sometimes. weird I know... brain disorder or something... fingers can't go as fast as my brain or brain can't go as fast as fingers.... sorry I didn't proof the post. Thanks for posting the correction!

[McCamy Taylor]

35. Who Decides Who Gets Indicted? Fitzgerald or His Boss?

If his boss has the veto on this matter, that is all the obstruction of justice that * needs.

[VIHMH5L50P]

42. Who decides? The Grand Jury.

The Special Prosecutor presents evidence and tries to convince the grand jury that there are enough grounds to charge and prosecute someone. This is a check and balance on the Prosecutor.

If the grand jury agrees it offers a bill of indictment to the judge, who approves it if it was done properly. The accused then is charged and has to stand trial. (Apparently this has already occurred, just not made public yet.)

Unknown to many is that the grand jury has the power to issue it's own indictments whether or not the Special Prosecutor requests it, if it see's evidence that it feels justifies it. This is a potentially very powerful tool for the citizenry. Juries like these are sometimes called "runaway grand juries" by lawyers who don't like non-lawyers getting involved in their profession. Too bad.

In this case, Fitzgerald's boss is President Bush, but he is legally unable to direct Fitzgerald or the case because he is one of the accused, which is a conflict of interest.

Fitzgerald has no boss and Bush cannot appoint one for him. Nobody could veto anything he does, nobody can even know what he is doing until it is public.

[burrowowl]

36. Interesting POST!

Kick!

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

45. He's citing Flocco.

Tom Flocco is a bullshit artiste.



This gave Fitzgerald the ability to investigate not just the Valerie Plame outing, but the 2000 election, 911, going to war with Iraq under alleged false pretenses, money laundering, obstruction of justice, and on and on and on. It appears he's been very busy doing just that, and has issued indictments to Bush and many top officials.

Huh? When has anybody but that idiot Flocco said that he's indicted Bush? I don't see this as being credible AT ALL.

[slaveplanet]

46. well

It wasn't Fitzy but here's something- http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?nn20030701b3.htm


Then there's this little gem from Madsen and Ruppert in which I assume they mean Fitzgerald...

Based upon recent developments, it appears that long-standing plans and preparations leading to indictments and impeachment of Bush, Cheney and even some senior cabinet members have been accelerated
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/060804_coup_detat.html


Is it really so far fetched that a citizen special grand jury could come to the conclusion that Bush is a psychopathic criminal traitor?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

47. The japan thing is pretty much meaningless, unfortunately...

...and Madsen is about as reliable as Flocco, which is to say that he isn't.

s it really so far fetched that a citizen special grand jury could come to the conclusion that Bush is a psychopathic criminal traitor?

Whether or not he's a psychopathic criminal isn't the issue. The issue is proof of criminal activity that could possibly lead to a conviction. The availability of any such evidence on Bush is, I think, pretty unlikely at the current time.

[VIHMH5L50P]

48. what brilliance

yibbehobba claims Flocco is a bad source, in his next post he claims Madsen is a bad source. He doesn't back it up. Some talk is really cheap, his is a perfect example. Now he says the following:

"The issue is proof of criminal activity that could possibly lead to a conviction. The availability of any such evidence on Bush is, I think, pretty unlikely at the current time."

Wow, just how does he know this? Why doesn't he tell Bush that he's worrying himself silly and calling up 911 at the SKULL & BONES for no reason at all?

I guess he thinks the grand jury just filed a paper indictment with nothing printed on it.

FYI, if BUSH had something to do with the leak of Valerie Plame's CIA cover, then he is guilty of the crime of treason, which is punishable by death according to federal law.

But it seems that's the least of his worries due to the fact Fitzgerald has expanded his investigation into the 2000 election, profiteering from 911, taking us to war with Iraq on fraudulent reasons, money laundering, etc.

Can he tell us why BUSH and CHENEY each hired criminal lawyers last June before meeting with Fitzgerald? Lawyers are expensive and you don't just hire them for no reason at all, especially Presidents because it makes them look suspicious.

I know one thing, if I have a legal problem in tax law, divorce law, contract law, etc., I won't go out and hire a criminal lawyer. And if I have a problem in criminal law, I won't hire a tax lawyer.

The only time I would hire a criminal lawyer is if I had a criminal problem. Bush & Cheney hired criminal lawyers (it's discussed in the Madsen piece he trashes).

Why are Flocco and Madsen bad sources? Can you provide just 1 valid instance? (I'll check it).

HERE'S A LITTLE PORTION OF A QUOTE FROM MADSEN WHOM HE BADMOUTHS, AND IT'S OVER A YEAR OLD, meaning he must of done some good research (Maybe you could learn a little something from him, like doing a little work and using specific facts to back up your statements):

MADSEN

"Now, seemingly all of a sudden, Bush and Cheney are in the crosshairs. Cheney has been questioned by Fitzgerald within the last week.

The CIA Director's job by definition, whether others like it or not, is to be able to go to his President and advise him of the real scientific data on foreign resources (especially oil); to warn him of pending instability in a country closely linked to the US economy; and to tell him what to plan for and what to promise politically in his foreign policy. In light of her position in the CIA's relationship with Saudi Aramco, the outing of Valerie Plame made much of this impossible. In short, the Bush leak threatened National Security.

Former White House Counsel and Watergate figure John Dean, writing for the prestigious legal website findlaw.com on June 4th made some very ominous observations that appear to have gone unnoticed by most.

This action by Bush is a rather stunning and extraordinary development. The President of the United States is potentially hiring a private criminal defense lawyer. Unsurprisingly, the White House is doing all it can to bury the story, providing precious little detail or context for the President's action…

…But from what I have learned from those who have been quizzed by the Fitzgerald investigators it seems unlikely that they are interviewing the President merely as a matter of completeness, or in order to be able to defend their actions in front of the public. Asking a President to testify - or even be interviewed - remains a serious, sensitive and rare occasion. It is not done lightly. Doing so raises separation of powers concerns that continue to worry many…

…If so - and if the person revealed the leaker's identity to the President, or if the President decided he preferred not to know the leaker's identity. - Then this fact could conflict with Bush's remarkably broad public statements on the issue. He has said that he did not know of "anybody in administration who leaked classified information." He has also said that he wanted "to know the truth" about this leak.

If Bush is called before the grand jury, it is likely because Fitzgerald believes that he knows much more about this leak than he has stated publicly.

Perhaps Bush may have knowledge not only of the leaker, but also of efforts to make this issue go away - if indeed there have been any. It is remarkably easy to obstruct justice, and this matter has been under various phases of an investigation by the Justice Department since it was referred by the CIA last summer…

…On this subject, I spoke with an experienced former federal prosecutor who works in Washington, specializing in white collar criminal defense (but who does not know Sharp). That attorney told me that he is baffled by Bush's move - unless Bush has knowledge of the leak. "It would not seem that the President needs to consult personal counsel, thereby preserving the attorney-client privilege, if he has no knowledge about the leak," he told me.

What advice might Bush get from a private defense counsel? The lawyer I consulted opined that, "If he does have knowledge about the leak and does not plan to disclose it, the only good legal advice would be to take the Fifth, rather than lie. The political fallout is a separate issue."

I raised the issue of whether the President might be able to invoke executive privilege as to this information. But the attorney I consulted - who is well versed in this area of law - opined that "Neither 'outing' Plame, nor covering for the perpetrators would seem to fall within the scope of any executive privilege that I am aware of."

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

49. Oy.

yibbehobba claims Flocco is a bad source, in his next post he claims Madsen is a bad source. He doesn't back it up.

OK, here's an example: According to Tom Flocco, MI-6 is going around Chicago blowing up buildings. It's on his site (or at least it was. Perhaps he's deleted it.) I can give you more of the same if you'd like, but the fact is that these particular people have been discredited many times in the past, and I'm not going to rehash each one for you here.


Wow, just how does he know this?

Because I don't get my information from Tom fucking Flocco. I attempt to read as many credible sources as possible before coming to a conclusion. Nobody close to the Fitzgerald investigation has thus far suggested he is doing anything remotely like investigating Bush directly, investigating 9/11, or any of the other things claimed in these articles. The fact that Madsen and Flocco cite NO sources in their articles leads me to believe that they are bullshit.


I guess he thinks the grand jury just filed a paper indictment with nothing printed on it.

No, I don't think there's any indictment whatsoever, and I base this on the fact that if there actually had been an indictment, and someone wanted to let the world know about it, they wouldn't chose a liar like Tom Flocco. This is an entirely reasonable position, requiring no caps lock whatsoever.

Can he tell us why BUSH and CHENEY each hired criminal lawyers last June before meeting with Fitzgerald?

Because they're fucking guilty. I've never said otherwise.

Why are Flocco and Madsen bad sources? Can you provide just 1 valid instance?

Because they don't cite sources.

Here's bigoted asshole Jeff Rense interviewing Tom Flocco about Flocco's contention that MI-6 tried to blow up Chicago:
http://www.stewwebb.com/Tony%20Blair's%20MI-6%20Agents%20Caught%20Trying%20To%20Blow%20Up%20Chicago%20Subway.htm

And if you believe that, I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.

As for the rest of Madsen's piece, it's all based on unnamed sources, even where it doesn't need to be. I can find you plenty of instances where he has been wrong, wrong, wrong in the past.

Getting back to the beginning of your rant:

Some talk is really cheap, his is a perfect example.

Thanks. I appreciate the feedback. If reading Flocco is what keeps you sane, so be it.

Edit: I see that you are new here. Welcome to DU.

[union_maid]

50. This is what my attorney sister has been telling me

Not that I really understood what she was saying.

[MADem]

52. Everything old is new again

Remember Elliot Richardson, AG under Nixon who refused to fire special prosecutor Archibald Cox? Who was fired by none other than Nixon's toady Robert Bork, who actually did the deed? (And Bork wonders to this day why he got Borked, the dunce!!!!). I remember well the bumper sticker "IMPEACH THE COX SACKER."

[Norquist Nemesis]

53. "Legal Authority" hasn't stopped them from doing illegal things

to date. And whenever things get hot, you can flip a coin and bet on either "National Security" or "in a time of War the President has the authority to <fill in the blank>".

Removing Fitzgerald is what scares me most about this.

[VIHMH5L50P]

55. It works most of the time, but won't where TREASON is involved

In the feeding frenzy of Watergate, Nixon couldn't pull it off, and that feeding frenzy wasn't even about TREASON.

[Rebellious Republican]

56. Did you see these juicy little tidbits by Tom Flocco

I posted this as a reply on another thread as well....

by Tom Flocco

Washington -- August 7, 2005 -- TomFlocco.com -- Sunday morning online editions of Newsweek and Time are reporting that the President is planning to fire Chicago's U.S. Federal Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald and replace him with a Bush classmate/Skull and Bonesman from Yale.
http://www.tomflocco.com /

You need not try to click the Flocco link above, it does not work. He took his website down because of the faux pa. His inaccuracy was blamed on the website administrator.



Guess we better hope he is not right about everything, unless of coarse you do not like Clinton...

Besides the Valerie Plame CIA leak case, the Fitzgerald probe is reportedly far-reaching and expanding much deeper into past White House criminal acts involving Bush-Clinton drug money laundering in Mena, Arkansas to White House involvement in 9.11; http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=3421


Even Tom Flocco's own accounts, Grand Juries have been rigged....

Bless the Beasts and the Children
Photographer for White House child sex ring arrested after Thompson suicide

Tom Flocco | March 13, 2005

The Justice Department, acting through the FBI and the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Omaha, emerges from the record of the Franklin investigations not so much as a party to the cover-up, but as its coordinator. Rigging grand juries, harassment of witnesses, incitement to perjury and tampering with evidence--federal personnel were seen to apply all of those techniques in the Franklin case. (John W. DeCamp, Esq., The Franklin Cover-up , Second Edition, January 2005)
http://www.infowars.com/articles/world/tom_flocco_arres...

Just saying, I would not start salivating over an unconfirmed online article posted on the web.

[VIHMH5L50P]

57. Flocco's website is back but not like it was before

I noticed the retraction and he says he's been down due to government hacking.

He's been a reliable source for in the past, I hope he's right again this time.