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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 07:52 PM
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I hope the "Looney Left" doesn't muddy Cindy and her cause.
I'm with Mr. Pitt. This shouldn't turn into an ANSWER rally or anything along those lines.

Go to support Cindy and her cause. Don't make it easy for the MSM to marginalize this special event. I believe we are witnessing important history here.

Communist literature, Free Leonard Peltier chants, and flag burning will not be helpful here.
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William Rivers Pitt
Thursday 11 August 2005
5:22 PM

I may sound like a bit of a heretic saying this, but I have a rogue nerve tingling a concern right now.

Until today, the group here was relatively small, everyone knew each other and everyone was entirely on the same page.

Now there are a bunch of new folks here, and they all mean well, but a number of them appear to be interested in dragging the whole thing towards whatever other cause inspires them.

more...

http://www.truthout.org/cindy.shtml
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 07:55 PM
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1. It's inevitable.
However, as long as nobody gets hurt, who cares?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 07:57 PM
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2. Just remember that Pitt is a "compromiser."
Nothing wrong with that. We even have "radical compromisers" in world history. But, Pitt is a "romantic." He understand what theat means..and often it's "compromise."

Sorry to be cryptic, here. Anyway...most folks wouldn't understand what it is I say, anyway.

It's a compliment to Will....but he wouldn't see it that way. :D

But, it's meant that way...a poet...might see and might communicate..but doesn't always go where one thinks they will go.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:01 PM
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5. I'm not a compromiser.
Edited on Thu Aug-11-05 08:10 PM by BullGooseLoony
And I totally agree with him.

This is about focus. We can't let this fly over the edge and lose sight of the entirely reasonable message that Sheehan has going.

If we start in with the "Free the Pandas" stuff, it'll ruin it all.

On edit: I AM a romantic, though. ;)
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:07 PM
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8. You mean we shouldn't have nekkid animal rights people running around?
Like during the "Turn your backs on the President" protest during the inaugural parade?

Sometimes I think some, not all, but some, folks head for these things because they know that media attention is being paid, and they're hoping to bogart some of it.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:33 PM
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13. ROFL! Maybe folks should not confuse "United for Peace & Justice" & PETA!
Edited on Thu Aug-11-05 08:37 PM by KoKo01
A simple, quick "Google Search" would show the difference. And we need to remember what groups are good at "fast and quick" permits to organize and march in "mega rallies."

Let's not trash the folks who always make it so "easy" for the rest of us to protest.

Do I get tired of the shouting and stuff that happens at the huge Peace Rallies? Maybe...but...they "bring us to the dance/party." Let's not forget the red tape we DU'ers would have to go through to get permits...whereas a little shouting about Pellitier and others rights like rights for Native Americans, and others on our globe, might be a small price to pay to have any presence at all, no matter if it "turns off" many of us...just eat it and shut up about it. They do all the ground work for us. :shrug:
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:43 PM
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14. I'm talking about taking a grieving woman's simple protest
and bogarting it for one's own cause.

Nobody had to take Cindy to the dance. And I don't want her to be drowned out. That's all I'm saying really.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:06 PM
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7. Actually, I've been a little concerned too.
If too many people go down there, I suspect the Secret Service will start to view them as a potential threat and force them all to leave.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 07:59 PM
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3. Probably not good to dilute the message.
We'll be getting our butts kicked for saying this, I'm sure, but you and Pitt are right.

This is her deal. Support her, because it's about the most worthwhile damn thing to support that's come along in a while, but don't try to use her spotlight to illuminate your pet cause.

It would just not be right to do that.

Redstone
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:00 PM
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4. Part of the problem with the Left
You go to what is supposed to be a rally for say, opposition to the war, and a bunch of people show up working on behalf of a mixed stew of other causes on the Left: living wage, pro-choice, "Palestine", gay rights, animal rights, environmentalism, legalize hemp, etc.

It tends to get us very off message. On the Right, you go to an anti-abortion rally, and it's an anti-abortion rally. They stay on message.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:08 PM
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9. But then they monitor who gets in too, I bet
But I agree. As I just said in another post, do you think these people show up well meaning, or do they show up hoping to bogart some of the media attention for their cause?
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:15 PM
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10. I do believe it's the latter.
The lure of media attention is just too strong for some people...particularly those enamoured of 'fringe' causes.

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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:20 PM
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11. Selfish in a way
Though I'm sure they do such things because they believe their cause is just that important. Even so, start your own damn event, people!
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:04 PM
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6. Agree with Will. It's Cindy's parade. She went out there on her own.
If you want to go support her, go. If you want to recruit for PETA do it in the next town, or at least, down the road.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:21 PM
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12. It always happens at protests. Remember do the ethical thing.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:53 PM
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15. I couldn't agree more with Will
This is sort of a slow-motion Rosa Parks event. Let history happen.

We can support Cindy by having our own events in our own towns. Her message is and should be a rallying cry for all of us to take it to the streets...not with bricks or other more sloppy tools of rage, but with organizing and setting up strong grassroots networks...with a segment and not all of it baed on the internet.

The Right is looking for trouble and I'm sure have assigned people to infiltrate and cause trouble...just in time for the media to finally show up in satellite trucks.
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DisgustedTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 09:15 PM
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16. Yet no one questions the glory hound
:(

Same tired act - now years running.
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 09:15 PM
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17. I would have to agree with will, the freeps are trying to drum up some
Edited on Thu Aug-11-05 09:16 PM by Rebellious Republica
people to go down there.

They say they are not going to say or do anything in regards to Cindy.

Its supposedly in support of the troops and the rESIDENT. Bullshit, they are just aching for a fight, and right now it is damn hard for them to attack a REPUBLICAN grieving mother of a dead War hero.

So if they get an open door, don't you know they are going to push it wide open!

I am concerned about planted trolls showing up pretending to be radical left wing zealots, and turning it into a circus.

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